I am a once or twice per year visitor to LV and have one heck of a
time usually. (I'm coming out Feb 4/14, hooray) I have the software
and have practiced endless hours and the one game I find terribly
difficult is 10/7 double bonus. The problem arises in hands that have
an ace with another high card. Sometimes I think there is a straight
penalty or a flush penalty but I seem to constantly choose wrong. Is
there a "simple" way to figure out these plays? If needed I will
practice a little and write down the hands that are problematic. I
will be traveling alone and if anyone would like to meet for lunch, as
I am staying at the Palms 2/4-2/5 , and at Sunset 2-6/7/8, and the rest
of the time with friends in Henderson. P.S. has anyone here received
an invite to the slot tournament with a $25k free play etc., at the
Palms?
Many thanks, Rod....
level of difficulty
I have the software
and have practiced endless hours and the one game I find terribly
difficult is 10/7 double bonus. The problem arises in hands that have
an ace with another high card. Sometimes I think there is a straight
penalty or a flush penalty but I seem to constantly choose wrong. Is
there a "simple" way to figure out these plays?
Rod,
You are most probably violating some video poker law by using the words
simple and 10-7 DB in the same sentence. I will give you the method that I
used to learn this hand years ago when the only software that I had was VP
Tutor. First of all, let's forget about a straight penalty for this
particular hand. It does not exist. There is a similar hand that is
affected by a straight pen. that I will touch on at the end of this message.
The good news is that the cost of these hand errors is not a bankroll
killer. The bad news is that the frequency of occurrence for two unsuited
high cards can seem to be astounding, and the piddley penalties can add up
fast. The proper hold for me eventually attached to my brain by practicing
as follows when I was dealt either AK, AQ, or AJ unsuited.
"I will hold ONLY the ACE if" :
1. The three potential discards in the hand are all > (greater than) a five.
2. If a non-flush ten (not suited with my ACE) is in the hand.
3. If I have AT suited, I go back to rule 1. *
4. If I have a non ten card suited with the ACE, I go back to rule 1.
This pretty much covers it. Now, for my little * (star) above, if a ten in
the hand is suited with the non ACE hi card, remember that ACE is better
than TK suited, but the other two, TJ or TQ suited is better than the ACE.
I'm going to guess that when you were referring to a straight pen. in your
post, you may be thinking of a hand where you are dealt three unsuited hi
cards, and the ACE is one of them. Correct play here is to dump the ACE and
hold the other two hi cards. The only exception here, and you can see that
it is barely so if you key it in your software analyze hand feature, is if
you have a 9 as one of the two remaining cards, you will now hold all three
hi cards. Because the 9 will somewhat poison J hi, Q hi and K hi straights,
you are holding all three hi cards in the hope of pairing for a push. If I
guessed wrong about what you might be referring to with the straight pen.
comment, please post. Now, if you can master the above hands and play them
all correctly for the next few years, you will probably be maybe 37 or 38
cents richer than you are right now :>) .
Nudge
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From: "vprod618" <vprod618@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] level of difficulty
With these 4.5 rules, how much would one lose if he or she holds the A alone all the time?
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--- On Sun, 2/1/09, nudge51 <nudge51@cox.net> wrote:
From: nudge51 <nudge51@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] level of difficulty
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 10:11 PM
From: "vprod618" <vprod618@yahoo. com>
Subject: [vpFREE] level of difficulty
I have the software
and have practiced endless hours and the one game I find terribly
difficult is 10/7 double bonus. The problem arises in hands that have
an ace with another high card. Sometimes I think there is a straight
penalty or a flush penalty but I seem to constantly choose wrong. Is
there a "simple" way to figure out these plays?
Rod,
You are most probably violating some video poker law by using the words
simple and 10-7 DB in the same sentence. I will give you the method that I
used to learn this hand years ago when the only software that I had was VP
Tutor. First of all, let's forget about a straight penalty for this
particular hand. It does not exist. There is a similar hand that is
affected by a straight pen. that I will touch on at the end of this message.
The good news is that the cost of these hand errors is not a bankroll
killer. The bad news is that the frequency of occurrence for two unsuited
high cards can seem to be astounding, and the piddley penalties can add up
fast. The proper hold for me eventually attached to my brain by practicing
as follows when I was dealt either AK, AQ, or AJ unsuited.
"I will hold ONLY the ACE if" :
1. The three potential discards in the hand are all > (greater than) a five.
2. If a non-flush ten (not suited with my ACE) is in the hand.
3. If I have AT suited, I go back to rule 1. *
4. If I have a non ten card suited with the ACE, I go back to rule 1.
This pretty much covers it. Now, for my little * (star) above, if a ten in
the hand is suited with the non ACE hi card, remember that ACE is better
than TK suited, but the other two, TJ or TQ suited is better than the ACE.
I'm going to guess that when you were referring to a straight pen. in your
post, you may be thinking of a hand where you are dealt three unsuited hi
cards, and the ACE is one of them. Correct play here is to dump the ACE and
hold the other two hi cards. The only exception here, and you can see that
it is barely so if you key it in your software analyze hand feature, is if
you have a 9 as one of the two remaining cards, you will now hold all three
hi cards. Because the 9 will somewhat poison J hi, Q hi and K hi straights,
you are holding all three hi cards in the hope of pairing for a push. If I
guessed wrong about what you might be referring to with the straight pen.
comment, please post. Now, if you can master the above hands and play them
all correctly for the next few years, you will probably be maybe 37 or 38
cents richer than you are right now :>) .
Nudge
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I will also be at the Palms 2/4, 2/5. I'm staying on the $350 in free slot
play and suite.
Good luck, maybe I'll see you!
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:47 PM, vprod618 <vprod618@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a once or twice per year visitor to LV and have one heck of a
time usually. (I'm coming out Feb 4/14, hooray) I have the software
and have practiced endless hours and the one game I find terribly
difficult is 10/7 double bonus. The problem arises in hands that have
an ace with another high card. Sometimes I think there is a straight
penalty or a flush penalty but I seem to constantly choose wrong. Is
there a "simple" way to figure out these plays? If needed I will
practice a little and write down the hands that are problematic. I
will be traveling alone and if anyone would like to meet for lunch, as
I am staying at the Palms 2/4-2/5 , and at Sunset 2-6/7/8, and the rest
of the time with friends in Henderson. P.S. has anyone here received
an invite to the slot tournament with a $25k free play etc., at the
Palms?
Many thanks, Rod....
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Nudge: thank you, it's begining to make sense. I play this game when I am "fresh" as in the first session of the day. Salute!
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________________________________
From: nudge51 <nudge51@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 1:11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] level of difficulty
From: "vprod618" <vprod618@yahoo. com>
Subject: [vpFREE] level of difficulty
I have the software
and have practiced endless hours and the one game I find terribly
difficult is 10/7 double bonus. The problem arises in hands that have
an ace with another high card. Sometimes I think there is a straight
penalty or a flush penalty but I seem to constantly choose wrong. Is
there a "simple" way to figure out these plays?
Rod,
You are most probably violating some video poker law by using the words
simple and 10-7 DB in the same sentence. I will give you the method that I
used to learn this hand years ago when the only software that I had was VP
Tutor. First of all, let's forget about a straight penalty for this
particular hand. It does not exist. There is a similar hand that is
affected by a straight pen. that I will touch on at the end of this message.
The good news is that the cost of these hand errors is not a bankroll
killer. The bad news is that the frequency of occurrence for two unsuited
high cards can seem to be astounding, and the piddley penalties can add up
fast. The proper hold for me eventually attached to my brain by practicing
as follows when I was dealt either AK, AQ, or AJ unsuited.
"I will hold ONLY the ACE if" :
1. The three potential discards in the hand are all > (greater than) a five.
2. If a non-flush ten (not suited with my ACE) is in the hand.
3. If I have AT suited, I go back to rule 1. *
4. If I have a non ten card suited with the ACE, I go back to rule 1.
This pretty much covers it. Now, for my little * (star) above, if a ten in
the hand is suited with the non ACE hi card, remember that ACE is better
than TK suited, but the other two, TJ or TQ suited is better than the ACE.
I'm going to guess that when you were referring to a straight pen. in your
post, you may be thinking of a hand where you are dealt three unsuited hi
cards, and the ACE is one of them. Correct play here is to dump the ACE and
hold the other two hi cards. The only exception here, and you can see that
it is barely so if you key it in your software analyze hand feature, is if
you have a 9 as one of the two remaining cards, you will now hold all three
hi cards. Because the 9 will somewhat poison J hi, Q hi and K hi straights,
you are holding all three hi cards in the hope of pairing for a push. If I
guessed wrong about what you might be referring to with the straight pen.
comment, please post. Now, if you can master the above hands and play them
all correctly for the next few years, you will probably be maybe 37 or 38
cents richer than you are right now :>) .
Nudge
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