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Less Than Five Coins Question.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your idea in all this is to stretch
a limited bankroll out a longer time, say an entire weekend visit. $100?
was that the amount? Have you considered all the other expenses
involved, taxi, tips, meals, Starbucks coffee etc? Wouldn't it be better
to stay home and save up some more bankroll so you can do the classical
method of bringing more than you can possibly lose? I do that for every
session I do as a local Las Vegan. I tire out and leave either down $200
or with a profit, makes no difference to me as I'm playing the optimum
game at computer learned strategy. I mentioned in a previous post about
going to the Plaza for the triple point coupon. I lost $200 in three
hours but I was tired at the end. The week before that was my famous
"sour dough toast" session. I took $200 and ended up hitting the deuces
and cashing out quite a bit more than I came with..

Another thing, we vp players play at the fastest speed possible with as
few mistakes as possible. That involves knowing the perfect strategy as
well as we can. You'd have to know two different strategies for the same
game if one coin to five coin play and how much fun could that be.
Why not bring more money and play at a 1.5% higher EV?

Another thing something else. In my most recent visit to the a fore
mentioned Plaza, there was a guy sitting down from me hogging two of the
five remaining FPDW machines and doing things that were meant to spread
his play or something. He arrived with ten rolls of quarters, opened
them all up then preceded to feed in the coins. I didn't notice much
more at that point but heard a different noise from his direction. I
finally looked over and saw he was cashing out all the coins every time
he hit something larger than three of a kind. I joked to myself, 'He must
know something I don't know and I don't think he's going to tell me.' In
effect he was playing at a rate of probably 350 games per hour to my 600
so if perfect strategy his play was earning about half the average profit
per hour. I noticed a few players walking by looking for a FPDW machine
while his tray was overflowing with quarters. Would you feel comfortable
hogging a full pay machine if they were limited in number in a casino for
your one coin play if others couldn't get to it? BTW,

I'm not saying come over to our way at all. If I knew what you looked
like I'd give up my machine a little before I tired out just so the
casino could see more profit from that machine. 1.5% more adds up you
know?
JT

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:58:34 -0000 "mubowor" <erchalb@cantv.net> writes:
You also have given me advice about playing the best machines under
the best conditions. Well, sure, that is what every player wants all
the time. But a lot of players end up with freeplay at Treasure
Island broke, or at Trump Plaza with some dollars, or at a boat in
Iowa or wherever. What do they do then? Playing Little Green Men is
fun, but if you like Video Poker, you try to play it the best way
under the conditions given. Not every place in the world has FPDW.

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I had to laugh at your post. It reminded me of a friend I used to go
to casinos with, to play VP. He learned a system from his grandmother
who lived near Atlantic City. The system consistd of two buckets. He
would cash out after every win, put the winnings on one bucket, and
leave the rest of the coins on the tray. He never played the
winnings. You can imagine a few years ago, with no ticket machines,
and lots of hopper fills, coin jams, etc., etc., how the slot
attendants were busy with this guy all the time, LOL. All the time I
kept trying to convince him to play credits, he wouldn't. By the way,
he did always play five coins. You may wonder, did this guy win all
the time? Of course not! But he had faith, he had fun, and he does
not go to casinos much nowadays. LOL.

Going back to your question, yes, playing less than five coins you
can play longer. Your advice of saving, making less trips, and
playing full coin is good and makes a lot of sense. But I hope you
know it does not always work. Some people just can't stay home, they
have the urge to play right away. It happens.

E

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your idea in all this is to

stretch

a limited bankroll out a longer time, say an entire weekend visit.

$100?

was that the amount? Have you considered all the other expenses
involved, taxi, tips, meals, Starbucks coffee etc? Wouldn't it be

better

to stay home and save up some more bankroll so you can do the

classical

method of bringing more than you can possibly lose? I do that for

every

session I do as a local Las Vegan. I tire out and leave either

down $200

or with a profit, makes no difference to me as I'm playing the

optimum

game at computer learned strategy. I mentioned in a previous post

about

going to the Plaza for the triple point coupon. I lost $200 in three
hours but I was tired at the end. The week before that was my famous
"sour dough toast" session. I took $200 and ended up hitting the

deuces

and cashing out quite a bit more than I came with..

Another thing, we vp players play at the fastest speed possible

with as

few mistakes as possible. That involves knowing the perfect

strategy as

well as we can. You'd have to know two different strategies for

the same

game if one coin to five coin play and how much fun could that be.
Why not bring more money and play at a 1.5% higher EV?

Another thing something else. In my most recent visit to the a fore
mentioned Plaza, there was a guy sitting down from me hogging two

of the

five remaining FPDW machines and doing things that were meant to

spread

his play or something. He arrived with ten rolls of quarters,

opened

them all up then preceded to feed in the coins. I didn't notice

much

more at that point but heard a different noise from his direction. I
finally looked over and saw he was cashing out all the coins every

time

he hit something larger than three of a kind. I joked to

myself, 'He must

know something I don't know and I don't think he's going to tell

me.' In

effect he was playing at a rate of probably 350 games per hour to

my 600

so if perfect strategy his play was earning about half the average

profit

per hour. I noticed a few players walking by looking for a FPDW

machine

while his tray was overflowing with quarters. Would you feel

comfortable

hogging a full pay machine if they were limited in number in a

casino for

your one coin play if others couldn't get to it? BTW,

I'm not saying come over to our way at all. If I knew what you

looked

like I'd give up my machine a little before I tired out just so the
casino could see more profit from that machine. 1.5% more adds up

you

know?
JT

You also have given me advice about playing the best machines under
the best conditions. Well, sure, that is what every player wants

all

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jtpage552@j... wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:58:34 -0000 "mubowor" <erchalb@c...> writes:
the time. But a lot of players end up with freeplay at Treasure
Island broke, or at Trump Plaza with some dollars, or at a boat in
Iowa or wherever. What do they do then? Playing Little Green Men is
fun, but if you like Video Poker, you try to play it the best way
under the conditions given. Not every place in the world has FPDW.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

jt wrote:

Would you feel comfortable hogging a full pay machine if they were
limited in number in a casino for your one coin play if others
couldn't get to it?

Oh, could I cite some choice stories about single coin $1 players on
attractive "only child" machines in AC - including one case where the
guy kept at it a steady 10 hours (with a one hour shut down)! My
teeth are still tender from my gnashing during that one. (At least he
was playing off credits, although that didn't soothe me much.)

- Harry