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Less Than Five Coins Question.

#1

Well, I'm glad to see some replies.

I guess I should have said "stretching your session's bankroll". If
you take $100 to a casino, and you want entertainment by playing a
long time, then the less coins you put, the more your money lasts. In
the long run the Royals help, but it is very unlikely you will get
one of those in a session. Going down on denomination also stretches
your bankroll, but there is a limit, and that is the cents machines.
Now if you want to be even more conservative, you can play these last
machines with one coin, one penny. That will keep you playing for
plenty of hours on a $100.

As for varying the number of coins, well, I can think of a poor man's
Multi-Strike feel on a one line machine. Play one coin. If you are
winning, then go up to two, if you keep winning to three coins, and
so forth. If you lose, go back to one coin. It does give you a little
bit of the feel of Multi-Strike. Even some of the thrills. It is very
improbable you will reach five coins and hit a Royal, but it can
happen. Given enough time it will happen.

So there it is. I'm not sayin playing with less than five coins is
any sort of panacea, but I can see the psychology on those who do
practice this sort of style. I was just asking for other people's
thoughts on the matter. I know most people will say, "don't do it,
it's horrible", and I tend to agree, but maybe some of the ones that
play with less than five coins have some other ideas none of us have
heard about? Just a thought.

Thanks for the replies.

"Ed"

#2

Hi. Of course playing less than full coin turns a positive expectation
machine into a negative expectation machine. The experts generally frown
on that. It just doesn't make much sense to purposely switch the odds so
that they favor the casino. But I guess we all do it from time to time.
D.M.

mubowor wrote:

Well, I'm glad to see some replies.

I guess I should have said "stretching your session's bankroll". If
you take $100 to a casino, and you want entertainment by playing a
long time, then the less coins you put, the more your money lasts. In
the long run the Royals help, but it is very unlikely you will get
one of those in a session. Going down on denomination also stretches
your bankroll, but there is a limit, and that is the cents machines.
Now if you want to be even more conservative, you can play these last
machines with one coin, one penny. That will keep you playing for
plenty of hours on a $100.

As for varying the number of coins, well, I can think of a poor man's
Multi-Strike feel on a one line machine. Play one coin. If you are
winning, then go up to two, if you keep winning to three coins, and
so forth. If you lose, go back to one coin. It does give you a little
bit of the feel of Multi-Strike. Even some of the thrills. It is very
improbable you will reach five coins and hit a Royal, but it can
happen. Given enough time it will happen.

So there it is. I'm not sayin playing with less than five coins is
any sort of panacea, but I can see the psychology on those who do
practice this sort of style. I was just asking for other people's
thoughts on the matter. I know most people will say, "don't do it,
it's horrible", and I tend to agree, but maybe some of the ones that
play with less than five coins have some other ideas none of us have
heard about? Just a thought.

Thanks for the replies.

"Ed"

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#3

People with fixed and small bankrolls should be using the Tom Ski
calculator for computing the Tom Ski index.
What this figure of merit tells you is - given a game with a long term EV,
and knowing the variance, denomination and number of coins played at a
time - It'll tell you relatively thebest game to play.
Remember, EV is valid in the long run if you DON'T RUN OUT OF COIN and have
access to
an unlimited supply of money should things go wrong. Anyway, I don't want to
preach, but in a nutshell, you need good
games, good skills, and good bankroll ( all three ) to beat a casino.
So lets say you have $200 in your pocket , and have a choice $.25 full pay
9/5 super aces ( 99.93 V=63.36)
or play $1 9/5 Double Joker. Both games have about the same EV. The Tom SKI
numbers are as follows ( the higher the better )
$1 9/5 Double Joker playing 5 coins at a time ( 99.97 V=22.10 ) TSI= -691
( really bad choice )
25C super aces 5 coins at a time : TSI= -124 ( it's still bad cause guess
what, you will most likely go broke with only 2 bills)
$1 9/5 Double Joker playing 1 coin at a time( this game is 99.09 at less
than 5 coins with a Variance V=11.19 but you need to develop a different
strategy than playing the 5 coin schedule ):
TSI= -18.54 ( yes, believe it or not, its the better choice of the three if
you only have $200 !)

Sometimes, playing $ machines for an hour will get you comps/offers worth a
lot more than $200. But to play for an hour, you have to
last for an hour and not keep hitting up that old cash machine. I'm a big
advocate of playing as high an EV machine that I can find THAT I'm
adequately bankrolled for, but there is a time and place for playing "short
coin"

best wishes....Tom

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----- Original Message -----
From: "mubowor" <erchalb@cantv.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Less Than Five Coins Question.

Well, I'm glad to see some replies.

I guess I should have said "stretching your session's bankroll". If
you take $100 to a casino, and you want entertainment by playing a
long time, then the less coins you put, the more your money lasts. In
the long run the Royals help, but it is very unlikely you will get
one of those in a session. Going down on denomination also stretches
your bankroll, but there is a limit, and that is the cents machines.
Now if you want to be even more conservative, you can play these last
machines with one coin, one penny. That will keep you playing for
plenty of hours on a $100.

As for varying the number of coins, well, I can think of a poor man's
Multi-Strike feel on a one line machine. Play one coin. If you are
winning, then go up to two, if you keep winning to three coins, and
so forth. If you lose, go back to one coin. It does give you a little
bit of the feel of Multi-Strike. Even some of the thrills. It is very
improbable you will reach five coins and hit a Royal, but it can
happen. Given enough time it will happen.

So there it is. I'm not sayin playing with less than five coins is
any sort of panacea, but I can see the psychology on those who do
practice this sort of style. I was just asking for other people's
thoughts on the matter. I know most people will say, "don't do it,
it's horrible", and I tend to agree, but maybe some of the ones that
play with less than five coins have some other ideas none of us have
heard about? Just a thought.

Thanks for the replies.

"Ed"

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#4

People with fixed and small bankrolls should be using the Tom Ski
calculator for computing the Tom Ski index.
What this figure of merit tells you is - given a game with a long

term EV,

and knowing the variance, denomination and number of coins played

at a

time - It'll tell you relatively thebest game to play.

I know I have seen this somewhere, but right now cannot find it. Do
you have a link to it. I looked on vpFree to no avail. Just ask
my wife though, I cannot find anything if it is not chained to me.

DWK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@n...> wrote:

#5

You can find the TomSki Index in the "Bankroll Links"
directory of vpFREE Links:

http://tinyurl.com/hv65

<a href="http://tinyurl.com/hv65">
http://tinyurl.com/hv65</a>

vpFREE Administrator

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On 31 Jul 2003 at 5:40, deuceswild1000 wrote:

I know I have seen this somewhere, but right now cannot find it. Do
you have a link to it. I looked on vpFree to no avail. Just ask my
wife though, I cannot find anything if it is not chained to me.