It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going this year.
I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any recommendations on
the least volatile games is appreciated.
ceewolf
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Play the change machine... you won't lose.
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM, ceewolf <ceewolf@ceewolf.com> wrote:
**
It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going this
year.
I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any recommendations
on
the least volatile games is appreciated.ceewolf
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Cute.. 
Carol
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_R…@…com] On Behalf
Of Kevin
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:07 PM
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Reno] Least volatile VP game.
Play the change machine... you won't lose.
**
It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going
this year.
I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any
recommendations on the least volatile games is appreciated.ceewolf
Check out www.wizardofodds.com for the variance of different VP games.
Single line Jacks or Better or Deuces Wild would probably be good choices.
Check www.vpfree2.com for what VP games are available at your hotel.
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 6:43 PM, ceewolf <ceewolf@ceewolf.com> wrote:
**
Cute..
Carol
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_R…@…com] On
Behalf
Of Kevin
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:07 PM
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Reno] Least volatile VP game.Play the change machine... you won't lose.
> **
>
>
> It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going
> this year.
> I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any
> recommendations on the least volatile games is appreciated.
>
> ceewolf
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
If you don't mind traveling slightly off strip FPDW is the best and easiest non-volataile game.
Otherwise 9-6 JOB.
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "ceewolf" <ceewolf@...> wrote:
It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going this year.
I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any recommendations on
the least volatile games is appreciated.ceewolf
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thank you for the information, Kevin. I should be able to find what I'm looking
for on those sites.
ceewolf
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_R…@…com] On Behalf
Of Kevin
Check out www.wizardofodds.com for the variance of different VP games.
Single line Jacks or Better or Deuces Wild would probably be good choices.
Check www.vpfree2.com for what VP games are available at your hotel.
I do not understand how you can say that FPDW is a non-volatile game.
Although it may be fun to play and is a positive play, almost 6% of the return is in the royal and four decues. If you don't get either in a session, then you are hurting. For me, that makes it a volatile game and you need to be adequately bankrolled.
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
From: melbedewy1226@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:02:40 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: Least volatile VP game.If you don't mind traveling slightly off strip FPDW is the best and easiest non-volataile game.
Otherwise 9-6 JOB.>
> It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going this year.
> I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any recommendations on
> the least volatile games is appreciated.
>
> ceewolf
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>------------------------------------
vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "ceewolf" <ceewolf@...> wrote:
Well it is less volatile than all these Super Duper, Triple Bonus, Super Times Pay that are constantly popping up.
Someone can provide the exact numbers. I still find FPDW to be the most enjoyable game out there-and a nice easy strategy whereas something like 10/7 DB gives me a headache with the arcane strategy (like holding 3 card flushes) and prolonged JOB play makes me sleepy!
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:
I do not understand how you can say that FPDW is a non-volatile game.
Although it may be fun to play and is a positive play, almost 6% of the return is in the royal and four decues. If you don't get either in a session, then you are hurting. For me, that makes it a volatile game and you need to be adequately bankrolled.
> To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
> From: melbedewy1226@...
> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:02:40 +0000
> Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: Least volatile VP game.
>
> If you don't mind traveling slightly off strip FPDW is the best and easiest non-volataile game.
> Otherwise 9-6 JOB.
>
> --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "ceewolf" <ceewolf@> wrote:
> >
> > It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going this year.
> > I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any recommendations on
> > the least volatile games is appreciated.
> >
> > ceewolf
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
well, as others have pointed out, if your only criterion is
"minimizing volatility" then you should play the change machine. or
not play.
if your goal is "having fun playing VP but with minimal risk", then
find a penny-denomination machine and play single coin. your risk will
be minimal no matter what the paytable is.
if your goal is "having fun playing VP and putting in enough action to
get comps but with minimal risk", then look for multiline machines. if
you want to bet $5/hand, for instance, 10-line $0.10 has about 1/5 the
variance of single-line $1. breaking your bet into smaller bets on
multiple lines is more important than choosing a lower-variance
paytable.
if your goal is "minimizing risk given that i am playing single-line
at denomination X", then 9/6 jacks or better is about the
lowest-variance paytable you'll commonly find in las vegas. however,
if you're playing quarters, it's probably worth accepting a little
extra risk and playing FPDW instead, because the EV is so much better.
(100.7% vs 99.5%)
good luck,
five
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM, ceewolf <ceewolf@ceewolf.com> wrote:
It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going this year.
I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any recommendations on
the least volatile games is appreciated.
Variance for JOB is 19.51
Variance for FPDW is 25.94
To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
From: melbedewy1226@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:32:59 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: Least volatile VP game.Well it is less volatile than all these Super Duper, Triple Bonus, Super Times Pay that are constantly popping up.
Someone can provide the exact numbers. I still find FPDW to be the most enjoyable game out there-and a nice easy strategy whereas something like 10/7 DB gives me a headache with the arcane strategy (like holding 3 card flushes) and prolonged JOB play makes me sleepy!>
>
> I do not understand how you can say that FPDW is a non-volatile game.
>
> Although it may be fun to play and is a positive play, almost 6% of the return is in the royal and four decues. If you don't get either in a session, then you are hurting. For me, that makes it a volatile game and you need to be adequately bankrolled.
>
>
>
> > To: vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com
> > From: melbedewy1226@...
> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:02:40 +0000
> > Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: Least volatile VP game.
> >
> > If you don't mind traveling slightly off strip FPDW is the best and easiest non-volataile game.
> > Otherwise 9-6 JOB.
> >
> > >
> > > It's been a long time since I've been to Las Vegas but I'll be going this year.
> > > I'm looking for a few VP games to learn before then so any recommendations on
> > > the least volatile games is appreciated.
> > >
> > > ceewolf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>------------------------------------
vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:
> > --- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "ceewolf" <ceewolf@> wrote:
I agree totally but I'm going to be there for an extended stay and I need to
make my money last..
ceewolf
I still find FPDW to be the most enjoyable game out there-and a nice easy
strategy and prolonged JOB play makes me sleepy!