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Just curious -- how fast can you play vp?

#1

I just finished a promotion at midnight and I went to check on my points earned (this place has $2 in coin-in equals 1 point). Okay, I earned 7,737 points over the 3-hour promo. That means I put in about $15,474 in coin-in at $3.75 per hand (it was a $0.25 Triple-Play game) so that means 4,126 hands played or about 1,375 hands per hour -- please note each hand is three lines at max coins. That includes two quick bathroom breaks, two bonus hand-pays (player get a bonus when they hit a certain hand), and about 20-30 times where I had to look at the strategy card for close calls.

I thought I made a mistake but the coin-in was accurate and I checked with the boothling at the players club. I only played one machine during the entire promo. IGT must have really speed up their machines. It was an upright with the speed set to "TURBO."

I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

#2

It's been awhile, but when I did a similar analysis over a year ago, I was averaging about 1150-1220 hph on a fast slant-top and playing a game I knew well. This was after a year or two of concentrating on vp play. Since I'm not playing as often now, my average has probably dropped.

Drew

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

#3
#4

I was at the Palazzo last year and watched a guy sitting between two machines playing both at once just like a piano, one with his left hand and one with his right. His hands were in continuous motion. A well oiled machine. I don't know how fast he was playing but he continued to play this way for at least four hours that I observed. He was still at it when I went up to my room. Liberace had nothing on this guy.
As for myself, under the best circumstances and machine, I cannot top 1000 hph and remain reasonably accurate. I'm 68 years old and play only

9/6 Jacks.

It's been awhile, but when I did a similar analysis over a year ago, I was averaging about 1150-1220 hph on a fast slant-top and playing a game I >knew well. This was after a year or two of concentrating on vp play. Since I'm not playing as often now, my average has probably dropped.

Drew

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com , "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "vpdeuces" <vpdeuces@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2010 9:11:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Just curious -- how fast can you play vp?

#5

1400 HPH isn't that fast on a triple play machine. Single line, yes, but on triple play that's only about 460 dealt HPH

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

I just finished a promotion at midnight and I went to check on my points earned (this place has $2 in coin-in equals 1 point). Okay, I earned 7,737 points over the 3-hour promo. That means I put in about $15,474 in coin-in at $3.75 per hand (it was a $0.25 Triple-Play game) so that means 4,126 hands played or about 1,375 hands per hour -- please note each hand is three lines at max coins. That includes two quick bathroom breaks, two bonus hand-pays (player get a bonus when they hit a certain hand), and about 20-30 times where I had to look at the strategy card for close calls.

I thought I made a mistake but the coin-in was accurate and I checked with the boothling at the players club. I only played one machine during the entire promo. IGT must have really speed up their machines. It was an upright with the speed set to "TURBO."

I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

#6

If you had the machine set to "turbo" then it's pretty much playing as fast as a single line machine. That 1375 hands per hour is also all three lines, so you would need to divide that by 3 to find out how fast it would actually be on a single line machine, right? If that's the case it would only be 458 hands per hour.

Am I seeing this correctly or am I missing something?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

I just finished a promotion at midnight and I went to check on my points earned (this place has $2 in coin-in equals 1 point). Okay, I earned 7,737 points over the 3-hour promo. That means I put in about $15,474 in coin-in at $3.75 per hand (it was a $0.25 Triple-Play game) so that means 4,126 hands played or about 1,375 hands per hour -- please note each hand is three lines at max coins. That includes two quick bathroom breaks, two bonus hand-pays (player get a bonus when they hit a certain hand), and about 20-30 times where I had to look at the strategy card for close calls.

I thought I made a mistake but the coin-in was accurate and I checked with the boothling at the players club. I only played one machine during the entire promo. IGT must have really speed up their machines. It was an upright with the speed set to "TURBO."

I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

#7

According to the original post, there were 4,126 *dealt* hands in three
hours. (He does not mean 4,126 *individual* hands.) So, the 1,375 HPH is
correct.

I play 1,300+ HPH on a regular basis. So, I don't find this hard to
believe.

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On 6/3/10, gamboozler <gamboozler@yahoo.com> wrote:

1400 HPH isn't that fast on a triple play machine. Single line, yes, but on
triple play that's only about 460 dealt HPH

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:
I just finished a promotion at midnight and I went to check on my points
earned (this place has $2 in coin-in equals 1 point). Okay, I earned 7,737
points over the 3-hour promo. That means I put in about $15,474 in coin-in
at $3.75 per hand (it was a $0.25 Triple-Play game) so that means 4,126
hands played or about 1,375 hands per hour -- please note each hand is three
lines at max coins. That includes two quick bathroom breaks, two bonus
hand-pays (player get a bonus when they hit a certain hand), and about 20-30
times where I had to look at the strategy card for close calls.
>
> I thought I made a mistake but the coin-in was accurate and I checked
with the boothling at the players club. I only played one machine during the
entire promo. IGT must have really speed up their machines. It was an
upright with the speed set to "TURBO."
>
> I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000
hph on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three
continuous hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.
>
> Anyone else have a similar experience?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8

No, he played 1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour. The $3.75 is per deal of
triple play. But only 1,375 hold decisions per hour. This is a lightning
fast 2.6 seconds or so per dealt hand. On a multi-line game this can only be
done with a turbo setting as otherwise significant time would be needed to
display the deal and draws. Also as mentioned stoppage for hand pays (which
can be quite long at some casinos.) and strategy card use makes that speed
more amazing.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Mary Ann
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:26 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Just curious – how fast can you play vp?

If you had the machine set to "turbo" then it's pretty much playing as fast
as a single line machine. That 1375 hands per hour is also all three lines,
so you would need to divide that by 3 to find out how fast it would actually
be on a single line machine, right? If that's the case it would only be 458
hands per hour.

Am I seeing this correctly or am I missing something?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "fordscks"
<jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

I just finished a promotion at midnight and I went to check on my points

earned (this place has $2 in coin-in equals 1 point). Okay, I earned 7,737
points over the 3-hour promo. That means I put in about $15,474 in coin-in
at $3.75 per hand (it was a $0.25 Triple-Play game) so that means 4,126
hands played or about 1,375 hands per hour -- please note each hand is three
lines at max coins. That includes two quick bathroom breaks, two bonus
hand-pays (player get a bonus when they hit a certain hand), and about 20-30
times where I had to look at the strategy card for close calls.

I thought I made a mistake but the coin-in was accurate and I checked with

the boothling at the players club. I only played one machine during the
entire promo. IGT must have really speed up their machines. It was an
upright with the speed set to "TURBO."

I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph

on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous
hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#9

600 HPH for me when gambling "fast". 400 HPH if more that a $5 bet. 300 HPH after alcohol imbibing. When the paytables/perks/progressive went above 102%, then no booze and grind at 700. 1400 HPH is crazy fast.
v

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

Anyone else have a similar experience?

#10

No, he said he did $15,474 coin in for the total play. If he played 1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour and he played for 3 hours that would be $46,406.25 total coin in for the 3 hours of play.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard W. Stern" <howard.w.stern@...> wrote:

No, he played 1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour. The $3.75 is per deal of
triple play. But only 1,375 hold decisions per hour. This is a lightning
fast 2.6 seconds or so per dealt hand. On a multi-line game this can only be
done with a turbo setting as otherwise significant time would be needed to
display the deal and draws. Also as mentioned stoppage for hand pays (which
can be quite long at some casinos.) and strategy card use makes that speed
more amazing.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Mary Ann
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:26 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Just curious – how fast can you play vp?

If you had the machine set to "turbo" then it's pretty much playing as fast
as a single line machine. That 1375 hands per hour is also all three lines,
so you would need to divide that by 3 to find out how fast it would actually
be on a single line machine, right? If that's the case it would only be 458
hands per hour.

Am I seeing this correctly or am I missing something?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "fordscks"
<jason_c_vp@> wrote:
>
> I just finished a promotion at midnight and I went to check on my points
earned (this place has $2 in coin-in equals 1 point). Okay, I earned 7,737
points over the 3-hour promo. That means I put in about $15,474 in coin-in
at $3.75 per hand (it was a $0.25 Triple-Play game) so that means 4,126
hands played or about 1,375 hands per hour -- please note each hand is three
lines at max coins. That includes two quick bathroom breaks, two bonus
hand-pays (player get a bonus when they hit a certain hand), and about 20-30
times where I had to look at the strategy card for close calls.
>
> I thought I made a mistake but the coin-in was accurate and I checked with
the boothling at the players club. I only played one machine during the
entire promo. IGT must have really speed up their machines. It was an
upright with the speed set to "TURBO."
>
> I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph
on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous
hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.
>
> Anyone else have a similar experience?
>

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#11

Yes, I know what he wrote. Yes, I am impressed. Yes, I have adjusted for the difference in single line and three line. Yes, IMO, it is not fun when gambling so fast.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <justmare111@...> wrote:

No, he said he did $15,474 coin in for the total play. If he played 1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour and he played for 3 hours that would be $46,406.25 total coin in for the 3 hours of play.

— In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard W. Stern" <howard.w.stern@> wrote:
>
> No, he played 1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour. The $3.75 is per deal of
> triple play. But only 1,375 hold decisions per hour. This is a lightning
> fast 2.6 seconds or so per dealt hand. On a multi-line game this can only be
> done with a turbo setting as otherwise significant time would be needed to
> display the deal and draws. Also as mentioned stoppage for hand pays (which
> can be quite long at some casinos.) and strategy card use makes that speed
> more amazing.
>
>
>
> From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
> Mary Ann
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:26 PM
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Just curious – how fast can you play vp?
>
>
>
>
>
> If you had the machine set to "turbo" then it's pretty much playing as fast
> as a single line machine. That 1375 hands per hour is also all three lines,
> so you would need to divide that by 3 to find out how fast it would actually
> be on a single line machine, right? If that's the case it would only be 458
> hands per hour.
>
> Am I seeing this correctly or am I missing something?
>
> — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "fordscks"
> <jason_c_vp@> wrote:
> >
> > I just finished a promotion at midnight and I went to check on my points
> earned (this place has $2 in coin-in equals 1 point). Okay, I earned 7,737
> points over the 3-hour promo. That means I put in about $15,474 in coin-in
> at $3.75 per hand (it was a $0.25 Triple-Play game) so that means 4,126
> hands played or about 1,375 hands per hour – please note each hand is three
> lines at max coins. That includes two quick bathroom breaks, two bonus
> hand-pays (player get a bonus when they hit a certain hand), and about 20-30
> times where I had to look at the strategy card for close calls.
> >
> > I thought I made a mistake but the coin-in was accurate and I checked with
> the boothling at the players club. I only played one machine during the
> entire promo. IGT must have really speed up their machines. It was an
> upright with the speed set to "TURBO."
> >
> > I am in disbelief. I can't believe anyone could clock more than 1,000 hph
> on a sustained basis, much less averaging 1,375 hph over three continuous
> hours. I knew I was fast but almost 1,400 hph.
> >
> > Anyone else have a similar experience?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#12

No, Howard S. is correct. I wrote (assuming you've read what I originally wrote) that a hand TO ME was max coins at three lines.

If you do the math, then one hand is $3.75 ($0.25 game times 5 coins per line times 3 line). Therefore, 1,375 "hands" (Howard S. comment of "decision hand" or even "base hand" would be less confusing) times $3.75 per hand gives me about $5,156 in action per hour. Therefore, $5,156 per hour times three hours gets me to the about $15,474 coin-in number.

Please read what I wrote and NOT what you think I wrote. Thank you.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <justmare111@...> wrote:

No, he said he did $15,474 coin in for the total play. If he played 1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour and he played for 3 hours that would be $46,406.25 total coin in for the 3 hours of play.

#13

I read what you wrote and I get it now, but there's no reason for you to be an jerk about it. It was a mistake.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

No, Howard S. is correct. I wrote (assuming you've read what I originally wrote) that a hand TO ME was max coins at three lines.

If you do the math, then one hand is $3.75 ($0.25 game times 5 coins per line times 3 line). Therefore, 1,375 "hands" (Howard S. comment of "decision hand" or even "base hand" would be less confusing) times $3.75 per hand gives me about $5,156 in action per hour. Therefore, $5,156 per hour times three hours gets me to the about $15,474 coin-in number.

Please read what I wrote and NOT what you think I wrote. Thank you.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <justmare111@> wrote:
>
> No, he said he did $15,474 coin in for the total play. If he played 1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour and he played for 3 hours that would be $46,406.25 total coin in for the 3 hours of play.
>

#14

While this does not involve directly cheating customers it does show the
Federal regulators take their responsibilities seriously:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/03/1662648/seminole-leaders-accused-of-mi
susing.html

#15

Let me get this right -- you are being a jerk for putting words in my mouth (claiming things I never did), you are being peevish, and being argumentative, etc. all because *YOU* made the mistake.

This whole drama would have been avoid a second time (i.e. the first time from misreading my post) if you understood Howard S.' kind reply. If anyone is being a jerk, it's you.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <justmare111@...> wrote:

I read what you wrote and I get it now, but there's no reason for you to be an jerk about it. It was a mistake.

#16

That was uncalled for.

Jason was in NO WAY being a jerk.

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On 6/4/10, Mary Ann <justmare111@aol.com> wrote:

I read what you wrote and I get it now, but there's no reason for you to be
an jerk about it. It was a mistake.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:
>> No, Howard S. is correct. I wrote (assuming you've read what I
originally wrote) that a hand TO ME was max coins at three lines.
>
> If you do the math, then one hand is $3.75 ($0.25 game times 5 coins per
line times 3 line). Therefore, 1,375 "hands" (Howard S. comment of
"decision hand" or even "base hand" would be less confusing) times $3.75 per
hand gives me about $5,156 in action per hour. Therefore, $5,156 per hour
times three hours gets me to the about $15,474 coin-in number.
>
> Please read what I wrote and NOT what you think I wrote. Thank you.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Ann" <justmare111@> wrote:
> >
> > No, he said he did $15,474 coin in for the total play. If he played
1,375 x 3 = 4,125 hands per hour and he played for 3 hours that would be
$46,406.25 total coin in for the 3 hours of play.

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#17

Bill,
This Seminole newspaper article deserves to be posted as a new message outside of the "how fast you can gamble" thread.
The link is also broken because it's on 2 lines; so some may not know how or don't want to bother to cut and paste. Here's a tiny url:
http://tinyurl.com/32r9con
(www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/03/1662648_p2/seminole-leaders-accused-of-misusing.html)

You just can't make this stuff up!
Dave in Boston

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Coleman" <vphobby2@...> wrote:

While this does not involve directly cheating customers it does show the
Federal regulators take their responsibilities seriously:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/03/1662648/seminole-leaders-accused-of-mi
susing.html