Does anyone have any idea on the return of this game? It is short pay on the
quads but adds a bonus hand of a dealt joker royal for 800 coins. Here is
the paytable.
Royal 4000
Dealt Joker Royal 800
5 of a Kind 1000
Royal w/joker 500
Straight Flush 250
4 of a Kind 75
Full House 35
Flush 25
Straight 15
3 of a Kind 10
2 Pair 5
Pair Kings 5
TIA for any info.
Nudge
nudge51 wrote:
Does anyone have any idea on the return of this game? It is short pay on the
quads but adds a bonus hand of a dealt joker royal for 800 coins. Here is
the paytable.Royal 4000
Dealt Joker Royal 800
5 of a Kind 1000
Royal w/joker 500
Straight Flush 250
4 of a Kind 75
Full House 35
Flush 25
Straight 15
3 of a Kind 10
2 Pair 5
Pair Kings 5TIA for any info.
Nudge
I'll take a shot at it, although this might not be _exact_ but it should be pretty much right in the ballpark.
First, the strategy of your play is very simple; just go to WinPoker and change the quads from 100 to 75 and ignore the Dealt Joker Royal value because it isn't going to change any of your strategy anyway. I mean, if you're DEALT a Joker Royal, you're not going to throw it away, and WinPoker just figures it into its frequency of hands for all of it Joker Royals that are paid 500. If you're NOT dealt a Joker Royal, then the extra 300 betting units becomes irrelevant. Now, from the WinPoker analysis details for that revised paytable, we see the following relevant lines:
JOKER WILD - KINGS OR BETTER
Hand Name Payout Frequency
ROYAL WITH JOKER 500 300.57254
4 OF A KIND 75 24390.800
Total Return 96.3848%
Variance 25.37205
Now, we know that there are 20 ways to make a Royal with a Joker out of all of the 2,869,685 hands that can be dealt, so you can expect to receive an EXTRA 300 betting units x 20 times = 6,000 B.U. of addition ER for each for 14,348,425 B.U.s bet (2,869,685 hands x 5 full-coin).
Divide the additional return by the total money bet and multiply by 100 to convert to a percentage, and that is the additional ER that you should add to the ER indicated by WinPoker.
6,000/14,348,425 x 100 = 0.0041816436298757529136473166915533% = .0042%
WinPoker shows 96.3848% ... so + .0042% [above] = 96.3890% ... or at least that's what I get unless I've missed something. Too low to bother with calculating the variance.
Cheers.
Bill Velek
Does anyone have any idea on the return of this game? It is short
pay on the
quads but adds a bonus hand of a dealt joker royal for 800 coins.
Here is
the paytable.
Royal 4000
Dealt Joker Royal 800
5 of a Kind 1000
Royal w/joker 500
Straight Flush 250
4 of a Kind 75
Full House 35
Flush 25
Straight 15
3 of a Kind 10
2 Pair 5
Pair Kings 5
VPSM indicates that, absent the dealt joker royal, it's 96.38%.
Frequency of latter is around 1 in 13000; adds only .07 coin, or
around 1.4%. So, as is (almost) invariably the case when you see
a "new" game, not worth playing.
Here's the way I'd do it with my pocket calculator;
Basic game (quads = 20) 100.646%
With quads changed to 15 96.385% (from tables, winpoker, etc)
The game basically sucks.
Now, what's the dealt joker royal worth?
Dealt joker occurs;
4 (suits) x 5 (ways each suit) = 20 times
Bonus payback = 20 x 800 = 16,000 coins (in 2.87 million deals)
You bet 2.87M x 5 = 14.35 million coins
The bonus is worth 16 thousand on 14.5 million = roughly one in a
thousand, which is 00.1%
They're taking away 4% in quads, and giving back 0.1% in dealt JRF.
Take a pass on it.
Brian
--- nudge51 <nudge51@cox.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any idea on the return of this game? It is short
pay on the
quads but adds a bonus hand of a dealt joker royal for 800 coins.
Here is
the paytable.Royal 4000
Dealt Joker Royal 800
5 of a Kind 1000
Royal w/joker 500
Straight Flush 250
4 of a Kind 75
Full House 35
Flush 25
Straight 15
3 of a Kind 10
2 Pair 5
Pair Kings 5TIA for any info.
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sphboc2003 wrote:
> Does anyone have any idea on the return of this game? It is short
pay on the
> quads but adds a bonus hand of a dealt joker royal for 800 coins.
snip
VPSM indicates that, absent the dealt joker royal, it's 96.38%.
I didn't use VPSM when I made my calculations. Checking it now, I see that the percentage you quote above is correct ... but WITH ALL Joker Royals. How do you conclude that it is "absent" the Dealt Joker Royals. Just because they do not receive the bonus or appear separately in the VPSM paytable doesn't mean that they are not included in the normal frequency of Joker Royals; surely they are, or else VPSM wouldn't be accurate.
Frequency of latter is around 1 in 13000; ...
Where do you get that figure. I calculate 20 ways to make a Joker Royal out of 53!/48!/5! (2,869,685) hands, which equals only 1 in 143,484 ... which is WAY different from your "1 in 13000".
... adds only .07 coin, or
around 1.4%. ...
I get an additional .04% which is to be added to WinPoker's ER for a game paying 75 for quads.
... So, as is (almost) invariably the case when you see
a "new" game, not worth playing.
True; that is _usually_ the case. 
Cheers.
Bill Velek
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