I realize Joker Poker uses a 53 card deck. Can any1 please answer the
following regarding Jokers wild:
1)How often is one dealt a natural RF4?
2)How often is a dealt natural Royal?
3)" " " " any Straight Flush?
4)" " " " Joker Royal?
thanks, Dan
There are 2,869,685 unique deals from a 53-card deck.
a ROY4 (no wilds) will occur 936 times.
a Royal will be dealt 4 times
a SFL will be dealt 36 times naturally and 144 times with a Joker
A Joker Royal occurs 20 times.
These are all on the initial deal.
Kil
I realize Joker Poker uses a 53 card deck. Can any1 please answer
the
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "shortpaydan" <shortpaydan@...> wrote:
following regarding Jokers wild:
1)How often is one dealt a natural RF4?
2)How often is a dealt natural Royal?
3)" " " " any Straight Flush?
4)" " " " Joker Royal?thanks, Dan
This is good, thanks Kil for the answers. However, like the old fishing pole versus fish scenario, I think it's better to teach someone how to answer these types of questions rather than give them the answer every time. Even though I've lazily thrown out questions like this to the group myself from time-to-time 
[ Note to admin: the formula for these kinds of calculations should be in the FAQ somewhere, if they're not already. I know a lot of people don't care about the math, but some people do. Also, I know that Bob has mentioned these kinds of formulae in his articles, so you might want to provide a link to those as well. I'll leave it to someone else to find them 
]
The first thing to understand is the formula for calculating unique combinations. It is shown below (math guys, please correct me to the standard notation if I'm off here):
N=number of possible values (e.g. 52 for a 52-card deck, 47 for the redraw)
P=number of positions (e.g. 5 for 5-card initial deal)
Simplest form:
(N!)
C = ------------
(P!)(N-P)!
where N! means "N factorial", or "N times N-1 times N-2 etc etc", all the way down to 1. (N-P)! in the numerator and denominator cancel each other out, so this reduces to:
N x (N-1) x ... x (N-P+1)
C = ---------------------------------
P x (P-1) x ... x 2 [ x 1 ]
where C is the number of unique combinations.
Example - the number of unique deals (i.e. combinations) from a 53-card deck is computed as follows:
N=53 (53-card deck)
P=5 (5 positions i.e. 5 card deal)
(53!)
C = ----------
(48!)(5!)
53 x 52 x 51 x 50 x 49
C = ----------------------------
5 x 4 x 3 x 2 [ x 1 ]
C = 2,869,685 which matches Kil's answer below.
Other similar questions can be answered like this, or based on this result. For example, there are 4 possible royals (one of each suit), so this occurs every 2,869,684 / 4 = 717,421.25 hands.
There are 2,869,685 unique deals from a 53-card deck.
a ROY4 (no wilds) will occur 936 times.
a Royal will be dealt 4 times
a SFL will be dealt 36 times naturally and 144 times with a Joker
A Joker Royal occurs 20 times.
These are all on the initial deal.
Kil
I realize Joker Poker uses a 53 card deck. Can any1 please answer
the
kilroydq2 <kilroydq@prodigy.net> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "shortpaydan" <shortpaydan@...> wrote:
following regarding Jokers wild:
1)How often is one dealt a natural RF4?
2)How often is a dealt natural Royal?
3)" " " " any Straight Flush?
4)" " " " Joker Royal?thanks, Dan
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For those of you who aren't getting an Orleans mailer (Jean?), or any other Coast property's mailer, there's hope, if you care about getting it restored. Here's what happened to me and how I un-did it, so far:
A few months back, I asked for a room comp at Orleans, and was told I had to use my points because I played only on double points days. Shortly thereafter, I stopped receiving my monthly mailer, not just for Orleans but for *all* Coast properties. At the time I didn't consider it a huge loss, but I became concerned over time that their next step might be to bar me from playing video poker at the casino entirely, as has happened to a few people at Suncoast, or possibly even at all Coast casinos.
I decided to proactively address the situation before it got worse. So I contacted a host at Orleans and asked about the mailer, and was told again about the double points days problem. I said I would be playing on non-double points days, and was told to call back a month later and my account would be reviewed. Well, a month had not quite passed when, to my surprise, the May mailer showed up in my mail box! I had only played very little coin-in on a few days. However, only the Orleans mailer resumed, so I have since gone to South Coast and begun the same process, and intend to do the same at Suncoast.
Perhaps this information can be useful to some of you who are in the same situation. If you play at Coast properties on 2x points days, I suggest that you "mask" your play by putting some coin-in on non-double points days as well.
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Interesting post. I am intrigued by people being barred at the
Suncoast. Perhaps you or someone else can direct me to a site (or a
previous thread on this site) that describes in detail how this
barring took place.
Furthermore, let me ask you (or anyone else): if you played quarter
10/7 DB at the Orleans, and only played on double points days (what
is that, one or two days a month?), would mailers even matter? This
isn't meant to be snide; it is a serious question.
An even more interesting question would be could Coast Casinos bar a
player that was a Boyd Gaming shareholder?
For those of you who aren't getting an Orleans mailer (Jean?), or
any other Coast property's mailer, there's hope, if you care about
getting it restored. Here's what happened to me and how I un-did it,
so far:
A few months back, I asked for a room comp at Orleans, and was
told I had to use my points because I played only on double points
days. Shortly thereafter, I stopped receiving my monthly mailer, not
just for Orleans but for *all* Coast properties. At the time I
didn't consider it a huge loss, but I became concerned over time
that their next step might be to bar me from playing video poker at
the casino entirely, as has happened to a few people at Suncoast, or
possibly even at all Coast casinos.
I decided to proactively address the situation before it got
worse. So I contacted a host at Orleans and asked about the mailer,
and was told again about the double points days problem. I said I
would be playing on non-double points days, and was told to call
back a month later and my account would be reviewed. Well, a month
had not quite passed when, to my surprise, the May mailer showed up
in my mail box! I had only played very little coin-in on a few days.
However, only the Orleans mailer resumed, so I have since gone to
South Coast and begun the same process, and intend to do the same at
Suncoast.
Perhaps this information can be useful to some of you who are in
the same situation. If you play at Coast properties on 2x points
days, I suggest that you "mask" your play by putting some coin-in on
non-double points days as well.
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Sorry for the late notice, but I have had a little
trouble setting the date:-)
There will be a joint member meet of the LVA and
vpFREE groups in the Outback Steak House at the Casino
Royale on the Strip next Sunday. Columnist Scot Krause
is scheduled to attend.
I fly to Las Vegas this evening and will be there
through Wednesday, 5/3 and then I drive to Laughlin. I
will be solo,.......again and if any of you can not
make it Sunday, but could get together another day,
call my cell 214-325-2410. Or if you have any
questions.
Especially anyone also on a solo trip, I hate eating
alone and am pretty harmless:-)
--- Charles <fromthevault@yahoo.com> wrote:
Interesting post. I am intrigued by people being
barred at the
Suncoast. Perhaps you or someone else can direct me
to a site (or a
previous thread on this site) that describes in
detail how this
barring took place.Furthermore, let me ask you (or anyone else): if you
played quarter
10/7 DB at the Orleans, and only played on double
points days (what
is that, one or two days a month?), would mailers
even matter? This
isn't meant to be snide; it is a serious question.An even more interesting question would be could
Coast Casinos bar a
player that was a Boyd Gaming shareholder?--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpfree2006
<vpfree2006@...> wrote:
>
> For those of you who aren't getting an Orleans
mailer (Jean?), or
any other Coast property's mailer, there's hope, if
you care about
getting it restored. Here's what happened to me and
how I un-did it,
so far:
>
> A few months back, I asked for a room comp at
Orleans, and was
told I had to use my points because I played only on
double points
days. Shortly thereafter, I stopped receiving my
monthly mailer, not
just for Orleans but for *all* Coast properties. At
the time I
didn't consider it a huge loss, but I became
concerned over time
that their next step might be to bar me from playing
video poker at
the casino entirely, as has happened to a few people
at Suncoast, or
possibly even at all Coast casinos.
>
> I decided to proactively address the situation
before it got
worse. So I contacted a host at Orleans and asked
about the mailer,
and was told again about the double points days
problem. I said I
would be playing on non-double points days, and was
told to call
back a month later and my account would be reviewed.
Well, a month
had not quite passed when, to my surprise, the May
mailer showed up
in my mail box! I had only played very little
coin-in on a few days.
However, only the Orleans mailer resumed, so I have
since gone to
South Coast and begun the same process, and intend
to do the same at
Suncoast.
>
> Perhaps this information can be useful to some
of you who are in
the same situation. If you play at Coast properties
on 2x points
days, I suggest that you "mask" your play by putting
some coin-in on
non-double points days as well.
>
>
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Why succumb to their ploy? They only look at
numbers. There are too many other better
casinos. I personally stopped playing at
Coast Casinos and now patronize Station
Casinos. Try it, you'll like it.
--- Charles <fromthevault@yahoo.com> wrote:
Interesting post. I am intrigued by people being
barred at the
Suncoast. Perhaps you or someone else can direct me
to a site (or a
previous thread on this site) that describes in
detail how this
barring took place.Furthermore, let me ask you (or anyone else): if you
played quarter
10/7 DB at the Orleans, and only played on double
points days (what
is that, one or two days a month?), would mailers
even matter? This
isn't meant to be snide; it is a serious question.An even more interesting question would be could
Coast Casinos bar a
player that was a Boyd Gaming shareholder?--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpfree2006
<vpfree2006@...> wrote:
>
> For those of you who aren't getting an Orleans
mailer (Jean?), or
any other Coast property's mailer, there's hope, if
you care about
getting it restored. Here's what happened to me and
how I un-did it,
so far:
>
> A few months back, I asked for a room comp at
Orleans, and was
told I had to use my points because I played only on
double points
days. Shortly thereafter, I stopped receiving my
monthly mailer, not
just for Orleans but for *all* Coast properties. At
the time I
didn't consider it a huge loss, but I became
concerned over time
that their next step might be to bar me from playing
video poker at
the casino entirely, as has happened to a few people
at Suncoast, or
possibly even at all Coast casinos.
>
> I decided to proactively address the situation
before it got
worse. So I contacted a host at Orleans and asked
about the mailer,
and was told again about the double points days
problem. I said I
would be playing on non-double points days, and was
told to call
back a month later and my account would be reviewed.
Well, a month
had not quite passed when, to my surprise, the May
mailer showed up
in my mail box! I had only played very little
coin-in on a few days.
However, only the Orleans mailer resumed, so I have
since gone to
South Coast and begun the same process, and intend
to do the same at
Suncoast.
>
> Perhaps this information can be useful to some
of you who are in
the same situation. If you play at Coast properties
on 2x points
days, I suggest that you "mask" your play by putting
some coin-in on
non-double points days as well.
>
>
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Quarter players have very little, if anything, to fear from casino
management. Unless, you're playing at the Taj these days. Trust me
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:
Interesting post. I am intrigued by people being barred at the
Suncoast. Perhaps you or someone else can direct me to a site (or a
previous thread on this site) that describes in detail how this
barring took place.Furthermore, let me ask you (or anyone else): if you played quarter
10/7 DB at the Orleans, and only played on double points days (what
is that, one or two days a month?), would mailers even matter? This
isn't meant to be snide; it is a serious question.An even more interesting question would be could Coast Casinos bar a
player that was a Boyd Gaming shareholder?
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<<For those of you who aren't getting an Orleans mailer (Jean?), or any other Coast property's mailer, there's hope, if you care about getting it
We might try that!!!!
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I believe that several people were barred at Suncoast all on the same day, last July 4th I think. They were not barred from the entire casino, just from playing video poker (which to all of us might as well be the whole casino!) You can search the archives for any previous posts on that subject.
As paladin mentioned, quarter players have little to worry about. The above players were all playing $5 machines or higher. As far as the mailer goes, I would think it matters more to a quarter player than to a high-limit player; the effect of $50x3 on total return is higher for a quarter player. But each player must determine how important the mailer is to himself or herself.
Being a shareholder probably makes no difference when it comes to being barred from a casino. Otherwise, blackjack card counters could just buy a share and then count away without fear of reprisal, for example.
Charles <fromthevault@yahoo.com> wrote:
Interesting post. I am intrigued by people being barred at the
Suncoast. Perhaps you or someone else can direct me to a site (or a
previous thread on this site) that describes in detail how this
barring took place.
Furthermore, let me ask you (or anyone else): if you played quarter
10/7 DB at the Orleans, and only played on double points days (what
is that, one or two days a month?), would mailers even matter? This
isn't meant to be snide; it is a serious question.
An even more interesting question would be could Coast Casinos bar a
player that was a Boyd Gaming shareholder?
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