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Who has been living under a rock? This is the new class so get used to it. This will only get worse since over 50% of children under 5 are minorities and 30% of them have English as a second language and less than half will get a high school diploma. They all need something to do. Do you want them in the streets? The zipper thing means " I shave" and " I am open for business". They even think they are cooler because they voted for B. Hussein Obama.
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Hey bigot - probably 90% of the young women there were white, some of them descendants from blue bloods - hey wait I just described America's most well known Herpes carrier - that would be Paris Hilton. Best selling amatuer porn video - oh yes, Paris Hilton. Most overexposed crotch by a celebrity - Britney Spears - white girl of the Confederacy - definetely it is a "minority" thing - crawl back in your hole, bigot.
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Who has been living under a rock? This is the new class so get used to it. This will only get worse since over 50% of children under 5 are minorities and 30% of them have English as a second language and less than half will get a high school diploma. They all need something to do. Do you want them in the streets? The zipper thing means " I shave" and " I am open for business". They even think they are cooler because they voted for B. Hussein Obama.
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And you wonder WHY Obama won the presidency, just look in the mirror, bigot..................
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Hey bigot - probably 90% of the young women there were white, some of them descendants from blue bloods - hey wait I just described America's most well known Herpes carrier - that would be Paris Hilton. Best selling amatuer porn video - oh yes, Paris Hilton. Most overexposed crotch by a celebrity - Britney Spears - white girl of the Confederacy - definetely it is a "minority" thing - crawl back in your hole, bigot.
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Who has been living under a rock? This is the new class so get used to it. This will only get worse since over 50% of children under 5 are minorities and 30% of them have English as a second language and less than half will get a high school diploma. They all need something to do. Do you want them in the streets? The zipper thing means " I shave" and " I am open for business". They even think they are cooler because they voted for B. Hussein Obama.
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jean scott wrote:
"I get tired of hearing that a female rape victim is NEVER to blame.
There is more than one way to say “Yes” than with words out of your
mouth."
that's utterly disgusting, jean.
go ahead and complain about the fashions of today's youth all you
want. that's part of getting old. every generation does it. your
grandparents did, your parents did, and these kids will do it too,
when they get to be your age.
but there's no excuse for perpetuating this abhorrent nonsense of "if
a woman dresses a certain way, it doesn't matter what they say,
they're obviously asking for it." no matter what age you are. that's a
horrible message to send, and it's a slap in the face to any woman
who's survived being raped.
you should be ashamed of yourself.
no love,
five
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:
jean scott wrote:
"I get tired of hearing that a female rape victim is NEVER to blame.
There is more than one way to say "Yes" than with words out of your
mouth."that's utterly disgusting, jean.
go ahead and complain about the fashions of today's youth all you
want. that's part of getting old. every generation does it. your
grandparents did, your parents did, and these kids will do it too,
when they get to be your age.but there's no excuse for perpetuating this abhorrent nonsense of "if
a woman dresses a certain way, it doesn't matter what they say,
they're obviously asking for it." no matter what age you are. that's a
horrible message to send, and it's a slap in the face to any woman
who's survived being raped.you should be ashamed of yourself.
no love,
five
Five completely missed-quoted Jean. She never said "if a woman
dresses a certain way, it doesn't matter what they say, they're
obviously asking for it."
I happen to believe the same as Jean. I, too, am tired of hearing
that rape victims are *never* to blame. Some are.
On 7/8/09, fivespot <fivespot55@gmail.com> wrote:
jean scott wrote:
"I get tired of hearing that a female rape victim is NEVER to blame.
There is more than one way to say “Yes” than with words out of your
mouth."that's utterly disgusting, jean.
go ahead and complain about the fashions of today's youth all you
want. that's part of getting old. every generation does it. your
grandparents did, your parents did, and these kids will do it too,
when they get to be your age.but there's no excuse for perpetuating this abhorrent nonsense of "if
a woman dresses a certain way, it doesn't matter what they say,
they're obviously asking for it." no matter what age you are. that's a
horrible message to send, and it's a slap in the face to any woman
who's survived being raped.you should be ashamed of yourself.
no love,
five
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Hi Jean,
I agree with the bikinis. I was in Las Vegas two months ago seeing girls walk around the casinos and exiting taxis even by themselves, which I also find unacceptable.
How ever the comment you made.
"There is more than one way to say "Yes" than with words out of your mouth.", is also unacceptable. Just because someone chooses to wear inappropriate attire as we might see it, they are not saying yes. No means no, no matter how someone dresses and to me they are not asking to be raped by some aZZZ hole that can not keep it in his pants. Just my views on this comment you made that seems you did not realize what you where saying and how you would a fend most of us here at this VP site.
Sincerly,
Terri
Well, I'm of two minds on this one. My gut tells me Jean is right, but those women kind of do me a favor...now I appreciate their beauty and their willingness to be as naked as possible, but it's not what I'm looking for in a relationship (at least one that lasts longer than, say, an hour). Not that they're going to come into the Fender Room to hang out with me and exchange digits. Besides, a good percentage are professional girls of some sort anyway.
The problem is that Vegas, and particularly the Palms and Hard Rock, pretty much advertise their places to the young, hip and moneyed from SoCal, where being a jackass is encouraged. I have to agree, it's annoying, but not so annoying I want to be a Republican again.
As for those ambulances...those kids just don't club responsibly (re the jackass comment above). When I was clubbing, 8a was late enough for me...sometimes I'd stop off at Suncoast on the way home to play a little 10-7, funny...I could play an upright lights out at 1500 hands/hr and never make a button error. Never could play that good when I was sober lol.
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The comment about saying "yes" may have been worded poorly, but I agree with the part about "blame". Consider these other scenarios - you walk down the street by yourself in a bad part of the city flashing a lot of expensive jewelry. If somebody robs you, people would certainly say "you were asking for it". Does it mean that it was OK for the person to rob you? Of course not - it is morally and legally wrong. But do you deserve some of the blame? I think so. Would you park somewhere, leave your windows down and your purse on the front seat? If you did and it was gone when you came back, would you deserve some of the blame? Again, it doesn't excuse the criminal action at all - whether it's rape (which granted is much more personal and traumatic than many other crimes) or any other violation, the person committing the act is undeniably wrong. But there are things that we all do to try to decrease the chances of something like that happening to us. To deliberately dress and act in a way that increases the temptation for someone to take advantage of you (like having your shorts unsnapped, partly unzipped) is taking a risk and would result in a bit of "blame" in my opinion.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Terri" <tlcraig1@...> wrote:
Hi Jean,
I agree with the bikinis. I was in Las Vegas two months ago seeing girls walk around the casinos and exiting taxis even by themselves, which I also find unacceptable.
How ever the comment you made.
"There is more than one way to say "Yes" than with words out of your mouth.", is also unacceptable. Just because someone chooses to wear inappropriate attire as we might see it, they are not saying yes. No means no, no matter how someone dresses and to me they are not asking to be raped by some aZZZ hole that can not keep it in his pants. Just my views on this comment you made that seems you did not realize what you where saying and how you would a fend most of us here at this VP site.Sincerly,
Terri
I think it's great that we all have an opinion. Lars has a great point. i call it VICTIMOLOGY...
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> I agree with the bikinis. I was in Las Vegas two months ago seeing girls walk around the casinos and exiting taxis even by themselves, which I also find unacceptable.
>
> How ever the comment you made.
> "There is more than one way to say "Yes" than with words out of your mouth.", is also unacceptable. Just because someone chooses to wear inappropriate attire as we might see it, they are not saying yes. No means no, no matter how someone dresses and to me they are not asking to be raped by some aZZZ hole that can not keep it in his pants. Just my views on this comment you made that seems you did not realize what you where saying and how you would a fend most of us here at this VP site.
>
> Sincerly,
> Terri
>
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Terri" <tlcraig1@> wrote:
aren't you confusing risk and blame...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "larsonsm" <larsonsm@...> wrote:
The comment about saying "yes" may have been worded poorly, but I agree with the part about "blame". Consider these other scenarios - you walk down the street by yourself in a bad part of the city flashing a lot of expensive jewelry. If somebody robs you, people would certainly say "you were asking for it". Does it mean that it was OK for the person to rob you? Of course not - it is morally and legally wrong. But do you deserve some of the blame? I think so. Would you park somewhere, leave your windows down and your purse on the front seat? If you did and it was gone when you came back, would you deserve some of the blame? Again, it doesn't excuse the criminal action at all - whether it's rape (which granted is much more personal and traumatic than many other crimes) or any other violation, the person committing the act is undeniably wrong. But there are things that we all do to try to decrease the chances of something like that happening to us. To deliberately dress and act in a way that increases the temptation for someone to take advantage of you (like having your shorts unsnapped, partly unzipped) is taking a risk and would result in a bit of "blame" in my opinion.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Terri" <tlcraig1@> wrote:
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> I agree with the bikinis. I was in Las Vegas two months ago seeing girls walk around the casinos and exiting taxis even by themselves, which I also find unacceptable.
>
> How ever the comment you made.
> "There is more than one way to say "Yes" than with words out of your mouth.", is also unacceptable. Just because someone chooses to wear inappropriate attire as we might see it, they are not saying yes. No means no, no matter how someone dresses and to me they are not asking to be raped by some aZZZ hole that can not keep it in his pants. Just my views on this comment you made that seems you did not realize what you where saying and how you would a fend most of us here at this VP site.
>
> Sincerly,
> Terri
>
I'm not confused, although maybe I didn't explain it well. But in my mind, if you choose to engage in RISKY behavior, and something goes wrong, then you accept some of the BLAME for the result.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "irdd3000" <irdd@...> wrote:
aren't you confusing risk and blame...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "larsonsm" <larsonsm@> wrote:
>
> The comment about saying "yes" may have been worded poorly, but I agree with the part about "blame". Consider these other scenarios - you walk down the street by yourself in a bad part of the city flashing a lot of expensive jewelry. If somebody robs you, people would certainly say "you were asking for it". Does it mean that it was OK for the person to rob you? Of course not - it is morally and legally wrong. But do you deserve some of the blame? I think so. Would you park somewhere, leave your windows down and your purse on the front seat? If you did and it was gone when you came back, would you deserve some of the blame? Again, it doesn't excuse the criminal action at all - whether it's rape (which granted is much more personal and traumatic than many other crimes) or any other violation, the person committing the act is undeniably wrong. But there are things that we all do to try to decrease the chances of something like that happening to us. To deliberately dress and act in a way that increases the temptation for someone to take advantage of you (like having your shorts unsnapped, partly unzipped) is taking a risk and would result in a bit of "blame" in my opinion.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Terri" <tlcraig1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jean,
> >
> > I agree with the bikinis. I was in Las Vegas two months ago seeing girls walk around the casinos and exiting taxis even by themselves, which I also find unacceptable.
> >
> > How ever the comment you made.
> > "There is more than one way to say "Yes" than with words out of your mouth.", is also unacceptable. Just because someone chooses to wear inappropriate attire as we might see it, they are not saying yes. No means no, no matter how someone dresses and to me they are not asking to be raped by some aZZZ hole that can not keep it in his pants. Just my views on this comment you made that seems you did not realize what you where saying and how you would a fend most of us here at this VP site.
> >
> > Sincerly,
> > Terri
> >
>
I'm pretty sure that "morally and legally" 100% of the blame for a rape lies with the rapist.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "larsonsm" <larsonsm@...> wrote:
I'm not confused, although maybe I didn't explain it well. But in my mind, if you choose to engage in RISKY behavior, and something goes wrong, then you accept some of the BLAME for the result.
to larsonsm: Substitute "responsibility" for "blame" and it's easy to say
that risk and responsibility go hand in hand. Every action has a
consequence.
to jaywilly: Rape is a bad thing. However, let's not hide behind Queen
Victoria's morals and laws that were written when females dressed like
ladies. Many of the females in question are being paid for their
participation, both during and after the event. See above.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, jaywilly240 <wha724@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm pretty sure that "morally and legally" 100% of the blame for a rape
lies with the rapist.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "larsonsm"
<larsonsm@...> wrote:
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> I'm not confused, although maybe I didn't explain it well. But in my
mind, if you choose to engage in RISKY behavior, and something goes wrong,
then you accept some of the BLAME for the result.
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So "rape is a bad thing" but not quite as bad if the victim isn't dressed "like a lady?"
to jaywilly: Rape is a bad thing. However, let's not hide behind Queen
Victoria's morals and laws that were written when females dressed like
ladies. Many of the females in question are being paid for their
participation, both during and after the event. See above.>
>
> I'm pretty sure that "morally and legally" 100% of the blame for a rape
> lies with the rapist.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "larsonsm"
> <larsonsm@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not confused, although maybe I didn't explain it well. But in my
> mind, if you choose to engage in RISKY behavior, and something goes wrong,
> then you accept some of the BLAME for the result.
>
>
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, gmblnmn <nktalbrch@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, jaywilly240 <wha724@...> wrote:
No, if a woman is dressed like a w***e, then there is a responsibility that
comes with the risk. Not condoning the crime, but recognizing that, in some
cases, the female is not entirely the "innocent" victim.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, jaywilly240 <wha724@comcast.net> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, gmblnmn
<nktalbrch@...> wrote:
> So "rape is a bad thing" but not quite as bad if the victim isn't dressed
"like a lady?">
> to jaywilly: Rape is a bad thing. However, let's not hide behind Queen
> Victoria's morals and laws that were written when females dressed like
> ladies. Many of the females in question are being paid for their
> participation, both during and after the event. See above.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:51 PM, jaywilly240 <wha724@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that "morally and legally" 100% of the blame for a rape
> > lies with the rapist.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> <vpFREE%
40yahoogroups.com>, "larsonsm"
> > <larsonsm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not confused, although maybe I didn't explain it well. But in my
> > mind, if you choose to engage in RISKY behavior, and something goes
wrong,
> > then you accept some of the BLAME for the result.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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I'm not.
At least, not 100% of the time.
On 7/9/09, jaywilly240 <wha724@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm pretty sure that "morally and legally" 100% of the blame for a rape
lies with the rapist.
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