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Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 18 SEP 2016

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I've always felt this way, but take it a step further.
I feel the Casino ought to have separate bonus pools fordifferent levels.

This happens at online poker sites a lot as well.
PokerStars, ACR, Seals with Clubs, all have a rake thatcontributes to a bonus pool for the top players.

Which means the small and medium stakes players arebled to pay for prizes they never have a chance to win.

If instead there were three separate pools, the highstakes players would give up very little, but the smalland medium stakes players would be incentivized toplay and participate more.

This would be good for everyone, including the casino.

The casino gets more action.
The players have more fun.
The players have a shot at the prizes.

Would not really take much work to set it up, either.

Wake up Casinos!

The current system is as stupid as banning playerson random games.

JEAN IS RIGHT AGAIN!

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    Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 18 SEP 2016

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If casinos made sure every player knew about every promotion (never mind this is very difficult to do), the average value of each promotion will drop for each player because casinos will drop their promotions so that they still give away $xxx

Jean seems to think this is a good thing. I don't.

If it takes a little to find out about what's going on, players who keep on top of these things, like Jean and me, for example, will do better because the same $xxx will be split among fewer people.

Be careful what you wish for

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Bob wrote: "If casinos made sure every player knew about every promotion (never mind this is very difficult to do), the average value of each promotion will drop for each player because casinos will drop their promotions so that they still give away $xxx"

Can't argue with you there, but I doubt we have much to worry about, seems like it's in the casino's nature to obfuscate as much as possible.

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Valley View friend, im in vegas but I got a call last night. A player hit 4 sets playing 5 $$ 16/10, they were all down graded to 15/9. I don't know if he got 86 as well ? get lucky.

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Bob wrote: "If casinos made sure every player knew about every promotion (never mind this is very difficult to do), the average value of each promotion will drop for each player because casinos will drop their promotions so that they still give away $xxx"

Can't argue with you there, but I doubt we have much to worry about, seems like it's in the casino's nature to obfuscate as much as possible.

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I have always had the desire to help other players as much as possible. I am not desperate for money. I don’t “out” good plays when there are limited opportunities, but giving a little help with understanding complicated promotion details is something that seems to be appreciated by many players and I am glad to share my experience. Although there is a competitive element present, I prefer a friendly environment with other players in a casino as opposed to a dog-eat-dog negative experience.

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Bob wrote: "If casinos made sure every player knew about every promotion (never mind this is very difficult to do), the average value of each promotion will drop for each player because casinos will drop their promotions so that they still give away $xxx"

Can't argue with you there, but I doubt we have much to worry about, seems like it's in the casino's nature to obfuscate as much as possible.

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#7

Jean's got the old Midwestern common sense, rare anymore.

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On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:18, 'Jean Scott' queenofcomps@cox.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have always had the desire to help other players as much as possible. I am not desperate for money. I don’t “out” good plays when there are limited opportunities, but giving a little help with understanding complicated promotion details is something that seems to be appreciated by many players and I am glad to share my experience. Although there is a competitive element present, I prefer a friendly environment with other players in a casino as opposed to a dog-eat-dog negative experience.

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QueenOfComps.com
Frugal Vegas blog - http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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Bob wrote: "If casinos made sure every player knew about every promotion (never mind this is very difficult to do), the average value of each promotion will drop for each player because casinos will drop their promotions so that they still give away $xxx"

Can't argue with you there, but I doubt we have much to worry about, seems like it's in the casino's nature to obfuscate as much as possible.

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#8

These behavorial principles should apply not only to casino gambling but to everyday life.

Frank

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On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:18 PM, 'Jean Scott' queenofcomps@cox.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have always had the desire to help other players as much as possible. I am not desperate for money. I don’t “out” good plays when there are limited opportunities, but giving a little help with understanding complicated promotion details is something that seems to be appreciated by many players and I am glad to share my experience. Although there is a competitive element present, I prefer a friendly environment with other players in a casino as opposed to a dog-eat-dog negative experience.

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Frugal Vegas blog - http://jscott.lvablog.com/
TAX HELP FOR GAMBLERS, 2015 digital edition.
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Bob wrote: "If casinos made sure every player knew about every promotion (never mind this is very difficult to do), the average value of each promotion will drop for each player because casinos will drop their promotions so that they still give away $xxx"

Can't argue with you there, but I doubt we have much to worry about, seems like it's in the casino's nature to obfuscate as much as possible.

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Well at least they've smartened up and are finally taking out the games they don't want people playing rather than still trying to identify and 86 everyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size.

Similarly I wish South Point had taken out the machines they didn't want me playing or modified the promotions they thought were too lucrative rather than taking away my slot club membership for life. As was evidenced by the Valley View situation, when a game or promotion can be beat by one player, it can be beat by multiple players and will eventually have to be corrected. Why don't casinos fix the problem initially rather than taking it out punitively on the first winning players?

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Valley View friend, im in vegas but I got a call last night. A player hit 4 sets playing 5 $$ 16/10, they were all down graded to 15/9. I don't know if he got 86 as well ? get lucky.

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good morning, ++ Well at least they've smartened up and are finally taking out the games they don't want people playing rather than still trying to identify and 86 everyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size. ++ CORRECTION, you meant to say, they don't want people playing who sign more than once a month !! what a business.

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Well at least they've smartened up and are finally taking out the games they don't want people playing rather than still trying to identify and 86 everyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size.

Similarly I wish South Point had taken out the machines they didn't want me playing or modified the promotions they thought were too lucrative rather than taking away my slot club membership for life. As was evidenced by the Valley View situation, when a game or promotion can be beat by one player, it can be beat by multiple players and will eventually have to be corrected. Why don't casinos fix the problem initially rather than taking it out punitively on the first winning players?

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Valley View friend, im in vegas but I got a call last night. A player hit 4 sets playing 5 $$ 16/10, they were all down graded to 15/9. I don't know if he got 86 as well ? get lucky.

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If we are talking about the casinos bottom line they should 86 the high rolling great advantage players! On a lucky day 20 quarter players won't do a tenth of the damage that a $25 AP can do to the casinos bottom line. Jean Scott was talking about equalizing incentives for all players which maybe unfair, but could create more playand profit for the casino. At any rate this is an interesting conversation with a ying yang type of result.

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I have always had the desire to help other players as much as possible. I am not desperate for money. I don’t “out” good plays when there are limited opportunities, but giving a little help with understanding complicated promotion details is something that seems to be appreciated by many players and I am glad to share my experience. Although there is a competitive element present, I prefer a friendly environment with other players in a casino as opposed to a dog-eat-dog negative experience.

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Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
QueenOfComps.com
Frugal Vegas blog - http://jscott.lvablog.com/
TAX HELP FOR GAMBLERS, 2015 digital edition.
(Download eBook now for your Kindle; Nook; or Apple device)

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Bob wrote: "If casinos made sure every player knew about every promotion (never mind this is very difficult to do), the average value of each promotion will drop for each player because casinos will drop their promotions so that they still give away $xxx"

Can't argue with you there, but I doubt we have much to worry about, seems like it's in the casino's nature to obfuscate as much as possible.

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#12

I’m told they removed 25 cent 100 play , even 7/5 bonus poker was too risky, now 10 cent 100 play is the highest you can play. The business plan must have changed to a grind joint. That's ok , I guess we wont be missing much. Take care.

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good morning, ++ Well at least they've smartened up and are finally taking out the games they don't want people playing rather than still trying to identify and 86 everyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size. ++ CORRECTION, you meant to say, they don't want people playing who sign more than once a month !! what a business.

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Well at least they've smartened up and are finally taking out the games they don't want people playing rather than still trying to identify and 86 everyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size.

Similarly I wish South Point had taken out the machines they didn't want me playing or modified the promotions they thought were too lucrative rather than taking away my slot club membership for life. As was evidenced by the Valley View situation, when a game or promotion can be beat by one player, it can be beat by multiple players and will eventually have to be corrected. Why don't casinos fix the problem initially rather than taking it out punitively on the first winning players?

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On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:00 PM, hjclasvegas6969@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Valley View friend, im in vegas but I got a call last night. A player hit 4 sets playing 5 $$ 16/10, they were all down graded to 15/9. I don't know if he got 86 as well ? get lucky.

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Ken wrote: "If we are talking about the casinos bottom line they should 86 the high rolling great advantage players! On a lucky day 20 quarter players won't do a tenth of the damage that a $25 AP can do to the casinos bottom line. Jean Scott was talking about equalizing incentives for all players which maybe unfair, but could create more playand profit for the casino. At any rate this is an interesting conversation with a ying yang type of result."

The problem is they're not 86ing "advantage players", they're 86ing anyone who gets lucky and hits a lot of W2G's or even one W2G (jackpot over $1199). Some of those players probably are "advantage players" but most are just lucky, most experienced "advantage players" know how to avoid heat.

But, most casinos are ignoring coin in these days, which is a disadvantage for high rollers and an advantage for low rollers, especially penny players. Most casinos are also using W2G's to determine when to 86 someone, which also disadvantages high rollers and advantages quarter players and lower.

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#14

My first observation is that a casino should never “86” a player unless that player is a cheat or engages in disruptive behavior. I might even go so far as to support a commission regulation to that effect as it applies to machine players. If the casino is offering a promotion that hurts them, they need to revamp the promotion.
So why does a casino offer a promotion, be it a car giveaway, or free gifts or any other type of promotion which draws in players which would place advantage players in a position where they can make substantial money. It obviously is not to provide a living to A.P.s, but to help the casino’s bottom line. To do that apparently they need to attract smaller players whose play is not enough, as a group, to be unprofitable to the casino. They need to limit the potential win on a promotion so that any individual player, or team of players, does not have the capability to skew the overall benefit against the casino. The simplest way to do that would seem to be to limit the amount that any one person can benefit from any one promotion. That could be the often used limit of a maximum number of $s in on a promotion or a limit on the number of entries per player. That is easy to do in this world of computer tracked play. It is more difficult when it comes to identifying people who are playing as a team. I would not allow a player to hand off a machine to another player when the promotion would be worth it to organize a team to play it. Team play on a promotion is more problematic for casino management than the individual big player.
Slot directors thinking seems to be similar to Wall Street CEOs where the important thing is to show a good profit in the next quarter to increase their bonus or pay, and not necessarily to do what would be in the long term interest of the company. I think this is primarily the result of having casinos run by public corporations rather than people who have an interest in providing services (for a profit of course) with gambling backgrounds. And it especially applies to those places which might be looking for a buyer in the near future, whether individually owned or corporate owned.

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#15

Ozymandias
Good well thought out post. Think of AC. I believe if properties were managed by gamblers

AC would be alive and well today. Let the bean counters manage and eventually the gambling
place goes broke. Steve Wynn is example of well managed operation. He built casinos giving
good value for players. I believe his operation is not as liberal as before on slots. But overall
gaming is friendly to players. Bottom line ....Gambling is not like main stream businesses.

Again......good post, exactly on the money.

Cheers......Jeep

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