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Sorry, this teaser comes with a "catch" I found a circular bank of 9/6 job, 8/5 BP,10/7 DB and 9/6 DDB @ $ , $2, and $5 levels.
This bank is very near to the entrance to the gift shop and the arriving cars driving up to a triple series of doors. I've also described this area before where there is a auxiliary smaller slot club unit.
As I was double checked the whole payoff schedule, this "239" for the straight flush and the regular quad
stuck out like a sore thumb. Nevertheless, all other payouts were ok and for DB it was the 10/7 for the full house/flush respectively.
The math geeks can massage the numbers to see how much one loses with that "239".
As a postscript to other posts, the played hand feature has been removed from my favorite carousel bank in the same area (closer to the slot desk) with 25c, 50c, and$1 vp.
I really enjoyed the serenity of Barona today as I realized the vast land promenade entrance, landscape, greeters has one very much tranquilized as you approach the entrance. Didn't have time to eat on the veranda overlooking the golf course. Barona is a real getaway .
Anteroz
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It turns the machine from 99.54% return to 99.52%, about 1 extra loss
every 5,000 hands, certainly nothing to worry about. However, the 239
on a straight flush is there for a player favorable reason. It bumps
the payout on a $1 machine down from $1250 to $1195. This means you
don't have to fill out a W2-G form on your win, and therefore there's
no federal withholding on it. All told you get to take more money home
when it's 239 on a straight flush than you do when it's 250. That's
awfully nice of them, ain't it?
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:56 PM, anterozlv@aol.com wrote:
Sorry, this teaser comes with a "catch" I found a circular bank of
9/6 job, 8/5 BP,10/7 DB and 9/6 DDB @ $ , $2, and $5 levels.This bank is very near to the entrance to the gift shop and the
arriving cars driving up to a triple series of doors. I've also
described this area before where there is a auxiliary smaller slot
club unit.As I was double checked the whole payoff schedule, this "239" for
the straight flush and the regular quad
stuck out like a sore thumb. Nevertheless, all other payouts were ok
and for DB it was the 10/7 for the full house/flush respectively.The math geeks can massage the numbers to see how much one loses
with that "239".As a postscript to other posts, the played hand feature has been
removed from my favorite carousel bank in the same area (closer to
the slot desk) with 25c, 50c, and$1 vp.I really enjoyed the serenity of Barona today as I realized the vast
land promenade entrance, landscape, greeters has one very much
tranquilized as you approach the entrance. Didn't have time to eat
on the veranda overlooking the golf course. Barona is a real getaway .Anteroz
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And on the 10/7 DB, the return decreases a similiar .02% to jusy under 100.15%.
Don the Dentist
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, JK Grence <jkgrence@...> wrote:
It turns the machine from 99.54% return to 99.52%, about 1 extra loss
every 5,000 hands, certainly nothing to worry about.
Don the Dentist wrote:
And on the 10/7 DB, the return decreases a similiar .02% to jusy
under 100.15%.
I gather you overlooked the pay cut on the standard (5-K) quads.
Oh right, I wasn't even thinking about the DB since all I ever play is
JoB and NSUD. I screwed up earlier, the $1250/$1195 payout is only
when playing on a $5 machine.
For 10/7 DB with a 239 credit payout, the payout takes a hit down to
99.79% with perfect play, which is no longer the holy grail of true
full play, but is still perfectly respectable. This is all figured
before figuring in the reason for the 239 credit payouts: The 25%
federal withholding on a W2-G. Factoring in Uncle Sam's rake, the net
return changes as the credits change.
250 Credit Payout After Withholding:
$1: 99.77%
$2: 99.01%
$5: 95.81%
239 Credit Payout After Withholding:
$1: 99.40%
$2: 98.63%
$5: 97.58%
The taxed part sure goes up fast, doesn't it? The 11 less credits on a
straight flush or regular 4 of a kind is about a 0.37% loss on the $1
and $2 levels, I believe about 1 extra loss per 280 hands. But look at
the difference at the $5 level, the net return goes UP 1.77% if you
get only 239 credits! That works out to losing an extra hand about
every 56 hands at 250 credits. If you're playing $5 a hand the 239
credit payout is well worth your time, but if they don't have 10/7 DB
with 250 for SF or 4 of a kind, the 239 credit payout isn't anything
I'd get my knickers in a twist over.
On Jun 11, 2010, at 4:24 PM, vp_wiz wrote:
Don the Dentist wrote:
> And on the 10/7 DB, the return decreases a similiar .02% to jusy
> under 100.15%.I gather you overlooked the pay cut on the standard (5-K) quads.
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You're right...my bad.
Don the Dentist
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
Don the Dentist wrote:
> And on the 10/7 DB, the return decreases a similiar .02% to jusy
> under 100.15%.I gather you overlooked the pay cut on the standard (5-K) quads.
The taxed part sure goes up fast, doesn't it? >
I thought it was all taxed.