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Jean.
is this book from the same author who wrote among others:
Spin Roulette Gold "Secrets of Beating the Wheel"
Armada Strategy for Spanish 21
Break the Ome Armed Bandits ?
Please forgive me for not being very excited about the newest book
from this author. I'm not going to spend any money on that book. I
would, if there was positive and reasoned feedback of the math
oriented people on this board. I'm not holding my breath ...
Regards,
Heppel
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae6128305" <vpfae6128305@...> wrote:
A New BJ Book
http://tinyurl.com/mj82k
well, i am kinda curious to know if jean has actually started using
this system in casino play...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae6128305" <vpfae6128305@>
wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "heppel58" <heppel58@...> wrote:
> A New BJ Book
> http://tinyurl.com/mj82kJean.
is this book from the same author who wrote among others:
Spin Roulette Gold "Secrets of Beating the Wheel"
Armada Strategy for Spanish 21
Break the Ome Armed Bandits ?Please forgive me for not being very excited about the newest book
from this author. I'm not going to spend any money on that book. I
would, if there was positive and reasoned feedback of the math
oriented people on this board. I'm not holding my breath ...Regards,
Heppel
well, i am kinda curious to know if jean has actually started using
this system in casino play...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae6128305" <vpfae6128305@>
wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "heppel58" <heppel58@...> wrote:
> A New BJ Book
> http://tinyurl.com/mj82kJean.
is this book from the same author who wrote among others:
Spin Roulette Gold "Secrets of Beating the Wheel"
Armada Strategy for Spanish 21
Break the Ome Armed Bandits ?Please forgive me for not being very excited about the newest book
from this author. I'm not going to spend any money on that book. I
would, if there was positive and reasoned feedback of the math
oriented people on this board. I'm not holding my breath ...Regards,
Heppel
<<well, i am kinda curious to know if jean has actually started using
this system in casino play...>>
I took the seminar (talked about it in a past Frugal Fridays column but can't find it at the moment) and learned the system, but I haven't played much (if any) BJ since then so I really haven't used it. However, I have talked with several people who have used it extensively with good success. Actually Frank Scoblete didn't devise this system - he just found it successful and he and Henry Tamburin teach and market it.
I don't agree with Frank on every gambling point - and he did have errors in his VP book - but I do think he is promoting a good system here which will appeal to people who don't want a complicated card-counting system. He and Henry are very truthful about the system; it isn't as strong as a regular card-counting one, but many people just can't or don't want to learn something very complicated. I forget the %'s - I think it is about 80% as strong as regular card-counting.
I'm rushed at the moment. Would someone look in the FF archives and find where I reviewed this seminar and give us the date of that column. That gives more details.
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - "FRUGAL VIDEO POKER"
This new book and other frugal products
are now available at
http://www.advantageplayer.com/.
Frank Scoblete is one of, if not the most, prolific and
knowledgeable gambling writers that has ever put a pen to paper. He
has written at least 30 books that I know of, not to mention
hundreds of articles for magazines and web sites, and I have
probably read most of them. His writing style is both humorous and
informative and will help any one in trying to win money when they
gamble no matter what the game.
Yes, he writes books about games that can't be beat, long term,
but people are going to play them anyway and he shows you how to put
yourself in the best possible position to get the most from these
games lousy or not. There are a lot of con-artests out there giving
terrible, almost criminal advice to make a buck off the poor,
uneducated gambling newbies, but Frank sure as hell ain't one of
them.
In my collection of over 300 books on gambling, I rate his as
some of the best. And yes, I do get personally excited waiting for
his latest book to come out, but then again, I get excited waiting
for the lottery numbers to come out each day.
Here are a few things he has to say from several of his books in
my ever growing quote collection:
Frank Scoblete Quotes
"I sometimes wonder if casino gambling is really a type of
athletic event, one that tests your mettle as well as your luck."
"While the high roller is fawned over in a sickening manner, the
low roller must grovel to get a few crumbs."
"People gamble for different reasons and, with the possible
exception of an uncontrollable compulsion that sinks both self and
others in a swamp of debt, degradation and humiliation, whatever the
reasons for an individual's gambling, they are all equally valid."
"The slot machine is your enemy. Your goal is to beat it so badly
that it pours out it's lifeblood, i.e. it's coins, in a stream so
large that attendants have to come running to help stanch the flow."
Terrence "VP Pappy Murphy, Midwest Casino Guide
"I need only a few things to write a gambling article, paper or a
good computer, a germ of an idea, and a lot of Jack Daniel's."
--VP Pappy
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "heppel58" <heppel58@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae6128305" <vpfae6128305@>
wrote:
Please forgive me for not being very excited about the newest book
from this author. I'm not going to spend any money on that book. I
would, if there was positive and reasoned feedback of the math
oriented people on this board. I'm not holding my breath ...Regards,
Heppel
<<Frank Scoblete is one of, if not the most, prolific and
knowledgeable gambling writers that has ever put a pen to paper. He
has written at least 30 books that I know of, not to mention
hundreds of articles for magazines and web sites, and I have
probably read most of them. His writing style is both humorous and
informative and will help any one in trying to win money when they
gamble no matter what the game.
Yes, he writes books about games that can't be beat, long term,
but people are going to play them anyway and he shows you how to put
yourself in the best possible position to get the most from these
games lousy or not.>>
I certainly agree with you on this, VP Pappy. Some pros may negatively criticize my new VP book because my emphasis is educating and helping the recreation gambler to lose less rather than trying to make them into
100%-of-the- time "advantage" players. But as I say in the book, the path to advantage play is a very long one - and you have to learn to crawl and walk before you run. And the book, although suggesting you start slowly at first to master the basics, will steadily lead you up that path. And if you had strong motivation and mastered everything in this book, you would probably already be a advantage player. Brad and I were when we got to the end of the preparation path. If you still have a ways to go, then there is a big resource list to help you achieve all your goals.
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - "FRUGAL VIDEO POKER"
This new book and other frugal products
are now available at
http://www.advantageplayer.com/.
Jean wrote: Some pros may negatively criticize my new VP book because my
emphasis is educating and helping the
recreation gambler to lose less rather than trying to make them into
100%-of-the- time "advantage" players.
I doubt this very much. Writing a good beginner's book is a worthy goal.
If others want to write a book with another goal, that's their
privilege. My criticism of Jean has never been with her goals, but
rather that she lacks the expertise to write a good beginner's book.
After reading this book, my opinion remains the same.
Jean's book has numerous flaws, including several irresponsible
statements. Any beginner who believes that all of the advice in the book
is worth following will be making a big, expensive, mistake. If you know
how to pick and choose the good from the bad, she states a lot of basic
information reasonably well. But one of the definitions of a beginner is
that they do NOT know how to pick and choose between the good statements
and the irresponsible ones. That makes her book dangerous.
One (of several) mistatements is that if you use 9/6 Jacks strategy on
Super Double Bonus, the return will be greater than 99.6%. (She actually
credits/blames Skip Hughes for this information). Had she/he said 9/5
SDB, then the information would have been correct. But I suspect at
least 90% of all SDB games out there are 8/5 or 7/5. Using 9/6 Jacks
strategy on these games will yield a return of far less than 99.6%. An
advanced player might be expected to figure out that Jean/Skip were only
referring to 9/5 SDB, but a beginning player would not know this. This
beginner could play at a casino that has no good games in it at all, so
they can't find 9/6 Jacks, but the casino might well have 7/5 SDB (a
97.8% game when played perfectly). Jean's book says that if you use 9/6
Jacks strategy on this 97.8% game, the game automatically becomes worth
99.6%. I call this irresponsible. And that is definitely NOT the only
such statement.
At the end of her book, she claims that if you master it, you'll be one
player in 10,000. Yeah, right. Mastering ANY beginner's book will put
you in the top 10%-20% or so, but certainly not in the range she claims.
Although the bankroll numbers from Michael Shackleford in the book are
useful, there is nothing else in it that most people on vpFREE don't
already know. If you're a big Jean Scott fan (and she has more fans on
this site than I do), go ahead and get the book. You know you're going
to do it anyway, no matter what I say. If you don't know her books,
though, I suggest you read the critiques on Amazon.com to find out what
many others believe about her writings before you fork out good money
for this one. These reviews will tell you, each in their own way, that
if you can already find your way out of a paper bag, Jean's books have
no useful information in them for you.
Bob Dancer
For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.
Dancer wrote: <<One (of several) mistatements is that if you use 9/6 Jacks
strategy on
Super Double Bonus, the return will be greater than 99.6%.(She actually
credits/blames Skip Hughes for this information). Had she/he said 9/5
SDB, then the information would have been correct. But I suspect at
least 90% of all SDB games out there are 8/5 or 7/5. Using 9/6 Jacks
strategy on these games will yield a return of far less than 99.6%. An
advanced player might be expected to figure out that Jean/Skip were only
referring to 9/5 SDB, but a beginning player would not know this. This
beginner could play at a casino that has no good games in it at all, so
they can't find 9/6 Jacks, but the casino might well have 7/5 SDB (a
97.8% game when played perfectly). Jean's book says that if you use 9/6
Jacks strategy on this 97.8% game, the game automatically becomes worth
99.6%. I call this irresponsible. And that is definitely NOT the only
such statement.>>
Thank you, Bob, for pointing out this omission and I welcome your telling me
what other "mistatements" (quoted misspelled word) you find. In the next reprint, I will see that
the particular Super Double Bonus Skip and I were referring to is 9/5 SDB.
I will also add the particular Aces and Faces I am referring to. I did put
all the specific games for the rest of the chart. Somehow those two were
overlooked by a multitude of editors.
Referring to your first statement above: "One ...mistatement is that if you
use 9/6 Jacks strategy on
Super Double Bonus, the return will be greater than 99.6%."
You must have read the chart wrong, Bob, but I understand you may have been
tired from staying up all night hunting for bad things to say about the
book. The chart says that the theoretical ER with JoB strategy is 99.59%.
I may not be a math expert - but I think 99.59% is less than 99.6%, not
"greater than 99.6%."
I welcome any and all input about "Frugal Video Poker." Any mistakes or
omissions can be fixed in the next edition and I will see that a list of
them is published in a future Frugal Fridays so people who have the first
edition can make the changes in their personal book. However, I had a lot
of math experts go over the manuscript so I don't expect to hear about a lot
of math errors. Now, differences in opinion, such as about what goals are
more worthy, etc. - it would be normal for people to disagree about some of
these ideas. There is a difference between actual factual errors and mere
differences in opinions. But I welcome input on both.
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - "FRUGAL VIDEO POKER"
This new book and other frugal products
are now available at
http://www.advantageplayer.com/.
we all know that Bob Dancer is the ONLY knowledgable player but do
we have to keep reading comments by him that totally belittle the
only contrubutors the the video poker society. when will the
administrator finally have enough of this ego-maniac?
I doubt this very much. Writing a good beginner's book is a worthy
goal.
If others want to write a book with another goal, that's their
privilege. My criticism of Jean has never been with her goals, but
rather that she lacks the expertise to write a good beginner's
book.
After reading this book, my opinion remains the same.
Jean's book has numerous flaws, including several irresponsible
statements. Any beginner who believes that all of the advice in
the book
is worth following will be making a big, expensive, mistake. If
you know
how to pick and choose the good from the bad, she states a lot of
basic
information reasonably well. But one of the definitions of a
beginner is
that they do NOT know how to pick and choose between the good
statements
and the irresponsible ones. That makes her book dangerous.
One (of several) mistatements is that if you use 9/6 Jacks
strategy on
Super Double Bonus, the return will be greater than 99.6%. (She
actually
credits/blames Skip Hughes for this information). Had she/he said
9/5
SDB, then the information would have been correct. But I suspect at
least 90% of all SDB games out there are 8/5 or 7/5. Using 9/6
Jacks
strategy on these games will yield a return of far less than
99.6%. An
advanced player might be expected to figure out that Jean/Skip
were only
referring to 9/5 SDB, but a beginning player would not know this.
This
beginner could play at a casino that has no good games in it at
all, so
they can't find 9/6 Jacks, but the casino might well have 7/5 SDB
(a
97.8% game when played perfectly). Jean's book says that if you
use 9/6
Jacks strategy on this 97.8% game, the game automatically becomes
worth
99.6%. I call this irresponsible. And that is definitely NOT the
only
such statement.
At the end of her book, she claims that if you master it, you'll
be one
player in 10,000. Yeah, right. Mastering ANY beginner's book will
put
you in the top 10%-20% or so, but certainly not in the range she
claims.
Although the bankroll numbers from Michael Shackleford in the book
are
useful, there is nothing else in it that most people on vpFREE
don't
already know. If you're a big Jean Scott fan (and she has more
fans on
this site than I do), go ahead and get the book. You know you're
going
to do it anyway, no matter what I say. If you don't know her books,
though, I suggest you read the critiques on Amazon.com to find out
what
many others believe about her writings before you fork out good
money
for this one. These reviews will tell you, each in their own way,
that
if you can already find your way out of a paper bag, Jean's books
have
no useful information in them for you.
Bob Dancer
For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.
I find Bob entertaining. He is THE authority on VP, for my money.
Someone's got to be The Man. I'd just as soon be on a machine making
money. You have to understand something, this is his only trick,
unlike some of us out there. You also have to understand that most of
the folks who write aren't that successful at the casino. There are a
couple of exceptions, of course, but I think it's a waste of energy to
publish. Why do you think I average something like an article every
two weeks on my site?
In terms of lifetime money won playing machines, he may crack the Top
Ten, which is something you should respect. But if he were really
good, he would have made a lot more in AC then in Vegas, but then he'd
have to play Joker games (and not Kings or better, either), and my
friend, we can then have that "very high level" discussion (sorry,
Bob, your mantra of "playing Jacks at a very high level" is an
oxymoron to many of us. The biggest challenge is preventing yourself
from falling asleep playing it).
The good news here is that if you can play Jacks at almost any level,
there are a lot of profitable situations right now, pretty much
everywhere. You just have to find the plays and know how to work them.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@...> wrote:
we all know that Bob Dancer is the ONLY knowledgable player but do
we have to keep reading comments by him that totally belittle the
only contrubutors the the video poker society. when will the
administrator finally have enough of this ego-maniac?
________________________________________________________________________
authority-resisting cutting-edge vp writing: paladingaming.net
If Bob and a few others on this forum have Egos, well, they have earned
them.
The rest of us I hope, at least have the discrimination to read their
views, for whatever they are worth, and separate the wheat from the
chaff.
Or, just skip any of their posts altogether.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@...> wrote:
we all know that Bob Dancer is the ONLY knowledgable player but do
we have to keep reading comments by him that totally belittle the
only contrubutors the the video poker society. when will the
administrator finally have enough of this ego-maniac?
Personally, I like both Bob Dancer and Jean Scott. I've learned a lot from both of them.
Dancer is the one I look to for strategy card's and the Win Poker program. Jean's book's taught me a lot about how to get all the comp's I want.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
we all know that Bob Dancer is the ONLY knowledgable player but do
we have to keep reading comments by him that totally belittle the
only contrubutors the the video poker society. when will the
administrator finally have enough of this ego-maniac?
I find Bob entertaining. He is THE authority on VP, for my money.
Someone's got to be The Man. I'd just as soon be on a machine making
money. You have to understand something, this is his only trick,
unlike some of us out there. You also have to understand that most of
the folks who write aren't that successful at the casino. There are a
couple of exceptions, of course, but I think it's a waste of energy to
publish. Why do you think I average something like an article every
two weeks on my site?
In terms of lifetime money won playing machines, he may crack the Top
Ten, which is something you should respect. But if he were really
good, he would have made a lot more in AC then in Vegas, but then he'd
have to play Joker games (and not Kings or better, either), and my
friend, we can then have that "very high level" discussion (sorry,
Bob, your mantra of "playing Jacks at a very high level" is an
oxymoron to many of us. The biggest challenge is preventing yourself
from falling asleep playing it).
The good news here is that if you can play Jacks at almost any level,
there are a lot of profitable situations right now, pretty much
everywhere. You just have to find the plays and know how to work them.
paladingamingllc <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com> wrote:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@...>
wrote:
Personally, I like both Bob Dancer and Jean Scott. I've learned a
lot from both of them.
Dancer is the one I look to for strategy card's and the Win Poker
program. Jean's book's taught me a lot about how to get all the comp's
I want.
Ditto.
Is there something currently in the Las Vegas air that has soured long-
standing relationships of Dancer/Zamzow and Scott/Wolf? What's next?
Adams Myth asked: s there something currently in the Las Vegas air that
has soured long- standing relationships of Dancer/Zamzow and Scott/Wolf?
I can't speak for Scott/Wolf, but I would not call the
Dancer/Zamzow relationship soured. The reason why I'm about to represent
a new product is because Dean lost the will to create updates for
WinPoker. Jean has said several times that if WinPoker had been
regularly updated, FVP would never have been created. I believe that.
WinPoker is an excellent product --- but it needs a strategy-creation
component as well as incorporating Multi Strike, Spin Poker, Super Times
Pay and numerous other new games to be competitive. Dean is an excellent
programmer and could have done this easily enough had he wanted to, but
for his own reasons, he decided he didn't want to do that. And because
I want to be associated with the best software, books, strategy cards,
and other video poker information, a continued relationship with an
un-updated WinPoker became impossible once another opportunity presented
itself.
But Dean's and my relationship is fine. I sold 20 copies of
WinPoker in the first two weeks of my class (while informing the class
that it was an excellent product with some unique features to it, but
overall a better product will be coming in, hopefully, November or
December). I will continue to sell WinPoker until the new product is
available. I will no longer receive a commission on WinPoker sales after
October 1 as that was the date we mutually decided on for the
changeover. If I get emails after that time asking me about features in
WinPoker, I will answer them appropriately.
Bob Dancer
For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.
dhabm wrote:
we all know that Bob Dancer is the ONLY knowledgable player but do we have to keep reading comments by him that totally belittle the only contrubutors the the video poker society.
I'm pretty sure the answer is no, you don't have to keep reading them...
Skip
www.vpplayer.com
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(use vpfree/vpfree)
I am sorry that in a hasty post, seeing the two events juxtaposed
around the same time frame, I painted both with the same broad brush.
I haven't gone back to Bob's post regarding this announcement, but I
think he said they are parting ways, but nothing about any bad
feelings.
On the matter of updating, both FVP and Winpoker (I have them both)
need updates. Even apart from adding games such as MultiStrike,
Spinpoker, many GUI aspects of both programs need major revisions.
These include very simple things such as accepting the "Enter"
keypress as the same as a mouse click on the default button, a better
way of choosing cards when making up a hand, the "Print" dialogue in
FVP, te audio clips in both, ... While it doesn't have neither the
analysis features, nor the number of games, VideoPokerHunt from
GambleCraft is very slick in some of these aspects. The same with the
various FreePlay games on VideoPoker.Com
A great tutorial feature would be if the software not only flags a
bad hold, but gives a short hint as to why it is a bad hold. Winpoker
warns of a bad hold, gives a chance to change it; FVP is stern, it
shows the correct hold, but doesn't allow you to change it. Not that
it matters when no real money is at stake; but in a real situation,
wouldn't it be nice to be warned that you didn't hold all the four
Aces on the Deal?
Some of the above is what I implied a few weeks ago, when I said both
of these programs have the DOS-sy look, for which I was taken to
task, as if I implied that they were written in DOS.
If/when either Bob Dancer or Jean Scott are in an Atlantic City
casino, teaching or lecturing, I hope to attend and learn a few
things.
AM
I can't speak for Scott/Wolf, but I would not call the
Dancer/Zamzow relationship soured. The reason why I'm about to
represent
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:
a new product is because Dean lost the will to create updates for
WinPoker.
I, for one, am happy to be able to read their posts. These posts, good
and bad, reveal the 'real' person that they are. And, sometimes, we
don't like the 'real' person that they are.
If it were not for this forum, my opinion of Mr. Dancer would be completely
different.
BTW, some people in this Group think that the vpFREE Administrator
*IS* Mr. Dancer. Which, if true, would explain why Mr. Dancer is allowed
to make the comments he does.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@...> wrote:
we all know that Bob Dancer is the ONLY knowledgable player but do
we have to keep reading comments by him that totally belittle the
only contrubutors the the video poker society. when will the
administrator finally have enough of this ego-maniac?
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Can you please elaborate on that remark. I'm going to guess you are referring to the $1 AC Joker progressives ( some with banks of over 50 machines ) that occasionally go positive when the 5-Kinds exceeds $6000.The volatility at that point is > 100. Or maybe the $5 Double bonus Double jackpot machines. Or the $1 AA machines ?
I believe AC is now on the level, but I sincerely doubted that 10 years ago - In Bob's heyday. The cashback/free play offers I get from Vegas , far exceed my AC offers which are usually in bounce-back form.
----- Original Message ----- From: "paladingamingllc" <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:40 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Jean's Book
In terms of lifetime money won playing machines, he may crack the Top
Ten, which is something you should respect. But if he were really
good, he would have made a lot more in AC then in Vegas,
I am 99.99999% sure that the vpFREE administrator and Bob Dancer are
not the same person. I come to this conclusion based on a pixel by
pixel comparison of their pictures I found in vpFREE Links/vpFREE
Photos/Pictures of Members.
Of course anything is possible in these days with Photoshop. Tat's why
I left the 0.000001% uncertainty.
I am just wondering, is it possible that Bob Dancer and Jean Scott are
one and the same person, and this whole charade is to raise each
other's Q-factor!!! Just a thought.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
BTW, some people in this Group think that the vpFREE Administrator
*IS* Mr. Dancer. Which, if true, would explain why Mr. Dancer is
allowed to make the comments he does.