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"Jake's Jacks" or Aces and faces

#1

This game is otherwise known as Aces & Faces. The full pay version is 8/5 BP
with the bonus quads being the paint cards plus aces instead of 2,3,4's.

There were dozens of them at Binions in former days. According to vpFREE2, they are all gone now. I assume that they were called "Jake's Jacks" because
Jack Binion owned Binion's Horseshoe in the past.

The FP version is still are available at the Atlantis, in Reno, in 5 or 10 coin quarter denom. The 10 coin version also has a RF prog. which re-sets at $2K.

They used to be available in Tunica and Biloxi, at the Grand Casinos, BEFORE HET took over those venues.

I like BP but much prefer A&F because the EV is a bit higher due to the strategy. Since single high cards, which can be converted to bonus quads, will normally be held in A&F, but single 2s,3s or 4s are not held in BP, you will see slightly more bonus quad production in A&F.

Double Aces and Faces is also a fun game. It's essentially DDB with quad face cards being the bonus quads. The FP version is 9/7/5, with 1-1 return for two pair.

~Babe~

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From: gamb00ler <gamb00ler@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 11:06 PM

It's been a while since Jake's Jacks have been seen. I played it

a bit at the Gold River in Laughlin and at Binion's in Las Vegas.

It was Bonus Poker with 200 coins for quad K's,Q's and J's
instead of 2's, 3's and 4's. As in Bonus Poker it was 400
for quad A's.

G'luck all,
Gamb00ler
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Rick E. Percy wrote:

What are Jake's Jacks, 678 JKR and why did they attract your play?

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#2

I've seen Super Double Double Bonus. It seems to have everything. Small quads with kickers, face cards with A,K,Q,J kicker, the works. And several different pay tables. It's fun too.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

Double Aces and Faces is also a fun game. It's essentially DDB with quad face cards being the bonus quads. The FP version is 9/7/5, with 1-1 return for two pair.

#3

I've seen Super Double Double Bonus. It seems to have everything. Small quads with kickers, face cards with A,K,Q,J kicker, the works. And several different pay tables. It's fun too.

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From: bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "Jake's Jacks" or Aces and faces
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 8:41 AM

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

Double Aces and Faces is also a fun game. It's essentially DDB with quad face cards being the bonus quads. The FP version is 9/7/5, with 1-1 return for two pair.
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Shame on ME! My only excuse is that I had just taken the first sip of my morning coffee when I posted the above. This explains the extra "D" I put in Double Bonus! Dbl A&F is a variation of 9/7 DOUBLE Bonus, Not DDB. There are no additional kicker payoffs in the game.

~Babe~

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#4

No I'm sorry, you're close though. Jake's Jacks paid 400 on 4 Jacks. It was not exactly the same as Aces Faces and was unique to the Gold River in Laughlin. It also came in 3 coin verity.

~FK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

This game is otherwise known as Aces & Faces. The full pay version is 8/5 BP
with the bonus quads being the paint cards plus aces instead of 2,3,4's.

There were dozens of them at Binions in former days. According to vpFREE2, they are all gone now. I assume that they were called "Jake's Jacks" because
Jack Binion owned Binion's Horseshoe in the past.

The FP version is still are available at the Atlantis, in Reno, in 5 or 10 coin quarter denom. The 10 coin version also has a RF prog. which re-sets at $2K.

They used to be available in Tunica and Biloxi, at the Grand Casinos, BEFORE HET took over those venues.

I like BP but much prefer A&F because the EV is a bit higher due to the strategy. Since single high cards, which can be converted to bonus quads, will normally be held in A&F, but single 2s,3s or 4s are not held in BP, you will see slightly more bonus quad production in A&F.

Double Aces and Faces is also a fun game. It's essentially DDB with quad face cards being the bonus quads. The FP version is 9/7/5, with 1-1 return for two pair.

~Babe~
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From: gamb00ler <gamb00ler@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 11:06 PM

>>>>It's been a while since Jake's Jacks have been seen. I played it
a bit at the Gold River in Laughlin and at Binion's in Las Vegas.

It was Bonus Poker with 200 coins for quad K's,Q's and J's
instead of 2's, 3's and 4's. As in Bonus Poker it was 400
for quad A's.

G'luck all,
Gamb00ler
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Rick E. Percy wrote:

>>>What are Jake's Jacks, 678 JKR and why did they attract your play?

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#5

No I'm sorry, you're close though. Jake's Jacks paid 400 on 4 Jacks. It was not exactly the same as Aces Faces and was unique to the Gold River in Laughlin. It also came in 3 coin verity.

~FK

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From: Frank <frank@progressivevp.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "Jake's Jacks" or Aces and faces
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 1:47 PM

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Hi Frank,

I'm sure that you're correct and I defer to your superior knowledge of the game called "Jake's Jacks" or "Jack's Jacks". However, I was responding to gambOOler's post below, not the original post.

~Babe~

GambOOler wrote: " It was Bonus Poker with 200 coins for quad K's,Q's and J's instead of 2's, 3's and 4's. As in Bonus Poker it was 400 for quad A's."
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@... wrote:

This game is otherwise known as Aces & Faces. The full pay version is 8/5 BP with the bonus quads being the paint cards plus aces instead of 2,3,4's.........

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#6

Frank wrote:

No I'm sorry, you're close though. Jake's Jacks paid 400 on
4 Jacks. It was not exactly the same as Aces Faces and was
unique to the Gold River in Laughlin. It also came in 3 coin
verity.

I just checked my gambling logs (spreadsheet variety).

In 1996, I played a $5 progressive Jake's at Binions.

G'luck all,
Gamb00ler

#7

My bad, these threads get so long you lose track of the current topic.

As far as I know the ones I was referring to were only ever in one casino...and not for long.

~FK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

From: Frank <frank@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "Jake's Jacks" or Aces and faces
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 1:47 PM

No I'm sorry, you're close though. Jake's Jacks paid 400 on 4 Jacks. It was not exactly the same as Aces Faces and was unique to the Gold River in Laughlin. It also came in 3 coin verity.

~FK
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Hi Frank,

I'm sure that you're correct and I defer to your superior knowledge of the game called "Jake's Jacks" or "Jack's Jacks". However, I was responding to gambOOler's post below, not the original post.

~Babe~

GambOOler wrote: " It was Bonus Poker with 200 coins for quad K's,Q's and J's instead of 2's, 3's and 4's. As in Bonus Poker it was 400 for quad A's."
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, patricia swenson <jackessiebabe@ wrote:

This game is otherwise known as Aces & Faces. The full pay version is 8/5 BP with the bonus quads being the paint cards plus aces instead of 2,3,4's.........

.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8

Here's the Jakes Jacks that I played at Gold River (later River Palms) in Laughlin from 1997 until 2002. I can't remember if the SF had a meter. There were a couple of slant top banks on the casino floor and a bartop bank in the room where the bandstand is above and behind the bar.

The game was a combination of Bonus Poker and Double Double Jackpot (without kickers). At least that's the best way I can describe the game.

PAYSCALE

RF.............800+ .5% meter
SF............. 50
Four Jacks......80+ .25% meter
Four A,K,Q's....40+ .25% meter
Four 2-Tens.....25+ .25% meter
FH.............. 7
FL.............. 5
ST.............. 3
2P.............. 2
HP.............. 1

Until about 2000 or so I got .33% cashback Saturday thru Wednesday. .666% on Thursdays and 1% on Fridays. Plus I got a mailer every month that had four 2-day hotel packages. I pretty much only played the Jakes Jacks when the Royal was up....or if I found a quad meter out of whack.

Most of the time the FPDW was the better play. And for awile they had the Williams early surrender video blackjack that came in about 100.4%.

#9

I put my share of time in on progressives and though I didn't keep maticulous records I feel like I came in right about where I was supposed to on royals. In towns like Laughlin I liked to just mosey around and make money, whether it was at video poker or advantage slots. I just put my time in every day and whatever happened happened. I was always playing with an edge. I had winning days and losing days and it all came out in the wash....in the long run. Here's a couple of sucdess stories at Gold River:

I was coming up the River Walk one day and ran into a bust out hustler in front of the Pioneer. He told me one of the Jakes Jacks slant tops at Gold River had a $3400 royal. I always gave the bustouts a $20 spiff for letting me know where a royal was up....if I could get a seat....plus a $100 tip if I got the royal.

I didn't figure to get a seat but we got there and a couple of seats were open. I hit the royal in about ten minutes. Everybody hit their cashout buttons and left....headed to another play I guess.

Another time I found the Jakes Jacks bartop royal up. It was at night, the band was playing. I was playing along and looking up at the band here and there. They were pretty good. So onetime I hit the deal/draw button and looked up at the band at the same time. When I looked back down I had a dealt royal locked in.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

Here's the Jakes Jacks that I played at Gold River (later River Palms) in Laughlin from 1997 until 2002. I can't remember if the SF had a meter. There were a couple of slant top banks on the casino floor and a bartop bank in the room where the bandstand is above and behind the bar.

The game was a combination of Bonus Poker and Double Double Jackpot (without kickers). At least that's the best way I can describe the game.

PAYSCALE

RF.............800+ .5% meter
SF............. 50
Four Jacks......80+ .25% meter
Four A,K,Q's....40+ .25% meter
Four 2-Tens.....25+ .25% meter
FH.............. 7
FL.............. 5
ST.............. 3
2P.............. 2
HP.............. 1

Until about 2000 or so I got .33% cashback Saturday thru Wednesday. .666% on Thursdays and 1% on Fridays. Plus I got a mailer every month that had four 2-day hotel packages. I pretty much only played the Jakes Jacks when the Royal was up....or if I found a quad meter out of whack.

Most of the time the FPDW was the better play. And for awile they had the Williams early surrender video blackjack that came in about 100.4%.

#10

And I just remembered that the bartops in the nightclub at Gold River were three coin jobs.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gamb00ler" <gamb00ler@...> wrote:

Frank wrote:
>
> No I'm sorry, you're close though. Jake's Jacks paid 400 on
> 4 Jacks. It was not exactly the same as Aces Faces and was
> unique to the Gold River in Laughlin. It also came in 3 coin
> verity.

#11

  And for awile they had the Williams early surrender video blackjack that came in about 100.4%.

Finally, a machine from the "good ol' days" that I've actually played. I didn't start playing video poker until about 2002, and from what I gather, I missed the gravy-train days.

As an aside, I'd like to thank Mickey for the most entertaining posts on the board. Sir, if you write a book, I'd buy it. If you are doubtful at all about continuing to share your stories, I emphatically say PLEASE DO! I especially enjoy hearing about the legendary plays that have gone by the wayside. Thanks again for entertaining us!

Dave

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

#12

Not if you listen to the ramblings from the "geniuses" over at LVA free for all forum.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "wolverines72" <wolverines72@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:

  And for awile they had the Williams early surrender video blackjack >> that came in about 100.4%.

Finally, a machine from the "good ol' days" that I've actually played. I
didn't start playing video poker until about 2002, and from what I
gather, I missed the gravy-train days.

#13

Well I'm not saying that it's a good as it used to be. I'm saying there are still good things out there. I think it's fairly obvious that things aren't as good as they used to be. The times, they are a changin.

Back in the heyday I had "rules" about the things I would play and ignore.

1. Never play anything under a 2% edge.
2. Never play a progressive under twice cost. (As independent) (Team had different criteria)
3. Never start a play without enough money to run bad for 6 cycles without hitting the jackpot. This equates to about a 1 in 1000 chance of going bust.
4. Etc..

In order to stay in action in today's market, I've had to drop every single one of those standards. The result is interesting. My theoretical earn is about the same as it ever was, perhaps more. My risk, on the other hand is far, far greater. Quite literally, off my previous scale.

I used to pass on big hourly earn plays to play things that were worth less but far safer. I've now been forced to play things which are actually worth a higher hourly, just riskier...and I'm not happy about it. I was all about the safety. I hate gambling.

There is also the skill requirement. If you knew the strategy for 3 VP games well, you were a pro in 1990. If you know ONLY 3 VP strategies today, you aren't out of Bob Dancer's beginner class.

I think the biggest reason no new VP teams are popping up is due to the absurd skill requirement. To run a team today, like the one I ran before, you would quite literally have to employ nothing but geniuses and somehow talk them into working for McDonald's employee wage.

So it's still doable, but far harder. For a really smart individual there's still money to be made as a pro gambler. For a really, really smart individual, they might choose to do something easier like rocket science.

The only reason I still play is due to preexisting skill and knowledge. I would not want to start fresh as a pro today, but as long as I'm already here, might as well take advantage of my experience.

The only thing I advocate now is ways to improve your casino result and get more out of a trip to Vegas. I would not try to train someone to do my job...I'm not that cruel!

~FK

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
And for awile they had the Williams early surrender video blackjack >> that came in about 100.4%.

Finally, a machine from the "good ol' days" that I've actually played. I
didn't start playing video poker until about 2002, and from what I
gather, I missed the gravy-train days.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "wolverines72" <wolverines72@...> wrote: Not if you listen to the ramblings from the "geniuses" over at LVA free for all forum.