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Jacks or better, the black sheep?

#1

"Full pay" does NOT mean the highest paytable available. If it did, then 9/7
or 10/6 JOB would have been "full pay" when the Stratosphere had them. The
term coined for those paytables was "super full pay." It was also applied to
10/6 DDB when it first appeared at, I think, Rampart. Might have been somewhere
else.

Full pay is the highest COMMONLY AVAILABLE paytable for that game.

I don't consider 10/6 DDB to be commonly available. The Palms has it in
quarters, and Stations has it in quarters, halves, and dollars. Possibly a few
other places, on a very few machines. Maybe 60 or so machines in all of Las
Vegas? Versus how many thousands of machines with 9/6 DDB?

If you guys want to proclaim 10/6 DDB as full pay, it's okay with me. And
that means 9/6 DDB would now be "short pay." Whatever.

Brian

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In a message dated 8/2/2006 7:30:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
krallison416@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 8/2/2006 7:26:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
paladingamingllc@yahoo.com writes:

Really? I thought 10-6 DDB was FP.

I'm sure this is correct, though it isn't around much.

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#2

I go along with this explanation.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message ----- From: <bjaygold@aol.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Jacks or better, the black sheep?

"Full pay" does NOT mean the highest paytable available. If it did, then 9/7
or 10/6 JOB would have been "full pay" when the Stratosphere had them. The
term coined for those paytables was "super full pay." It was also applied to
10/6 DDB when it first appeared at, I think, Rampart. Might have been somewhere
else.

Full pay is the highest COMMONLY AVAILABLE paytable for that game.

I don't consider 10/6 DDB to be commonly available. The Palms has it in
quarters, and Stations has it in quarters, halves, and dollars. Possibly a few
other places, on a very few machines. Maybe 60 or so machines in all of Las
Vegas? Versus how many thousands of machines with 9/6 DDB?

#3

bjaygold wrote:

Full pay is the highest COMMONLY AVAILABLE paytable for that game.

Exactly ... it's a relative term whose purpose is to benchmark the
strongest opportunities in a game that generally MIGHT be available to
you. If you're playing a weaker paytable, then there's good cause to
look around.

But it's not an absolute benchmark. A "full pay" game in LV might not
be available elsewhere.

100.76% DW is considered full pay because it is readily found in LV at
$.25. However, in the midwest, the 99.72% "NSUD" version is as good
as it likely gets. In AC, you can't even find the 98.9% paytable that
is refered to with some disdain as "Ugly Ducks". There are more
derogatory names for the 96%/97% AC games (not to touch the < 95% ones).

As an aside, some confuse the expression "full pay" with "positive".
"Positive" refers to a game with a 100%+ ER. But even this isn't
exactly an absolute reference. Some will talk about a "positive"
paytable. Others will add in cashback and other cash incentives in
talking about a "positive" play.

What it boils down to is that these labels are merely a convenience.
What counts is that you have a solid grasp of the underlying numbers.

- Harry

#4

I also agree with Brian, who has, as usual, educated many of us.

"Super Full Pay" is a new term to me as well.

Thanks, Brian, for defining another esoteric term, as it relates to
VP!

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" wrote:

I go along with this explanation.

Regards
A.P.

bjaygold@...wrote:

"Full pay" does NOT mean the highest paytable available. If it did,
then 9/7 or 10/6 JOB would have been "full pay" when the
Stratosphere had them. The term coined for those paytables
was "super full pay." It was also applied to 10/6 DDB when it first
appeared........................