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Isn't it just one long game?

#1

Howdy

What is the difference if I play 24 hours straight or play 3 hours
once a week for eight weeks?From the moment you play your first game
until you stop playing forever somewhere down the road ,it is really
one long game with intermintent breaks so you can live the rest of
your life.

Now let's bring appropiate bankroll into the equation.Based on my
present play I go through $100 on average in 3 hours.That is enough
play for me in a given day.Sometimes I last two hours and sometimes I
last four hours if I hit some quads.I play 9/6 .25 JOB.My bankroll
let's me play as long as I care to in one session.I know the more
time I put in the greater my chances for the RF.However,if it is just
one long game why should I risk more than my $100 in one day?

As far as strategy,I have yet to see a chart that takes LUCK into
the calculations although we all know it does exist at times.If you
are really lucky you are going to win more than the numbers say you
are.

In the very long run ,playing the positive game, chances are you will
come out ahead without good luck or bad factored in.

Ralph

#2

rafoil38 wrote:

In the very long run ,playing the positive game, chances are you will
come out ahead without good luck or bad factored in.

Ralph

What is the "very long run"? 10 years? 20 years? 100 years? No one can say. Some will win, and some will lose. That's where luck, and knowing when to quit, comes into play.

Bob

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#3

Can't argue with the logic.
As far as I am concerned you have the proper attitude,and expectations.The only change you might consider would be finding a better game than 9/6 JB (assuming that it exists in your area).

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: rafoil38
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:30 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Isn't it just one long game?

  Howdy

  What is the difference if I play 24 hours straight or play 3 hours
  once a week for eight weeks?From the moment you play your first game
  until you stop playing forever somewhere down the road ,it is really
  one long game with intermintent breaks so you can live the rest of
  your life.

  Now let's bring appropiate bankroll into the equation.Based on my
  present play I go through $100 on average in 3 hours.That is enough
  play for me in a given day.Sometimes I last two hours and sometimes I
  last four hours if I hit some quads.I play 9/6 .25 JOB.My bankroll
  let's me play as long as I care to in one session.I know the more
  time I put in the greater my chances for the RF.However,if it is just
  one long game why should I risk more than my $100 in one day?

  As far as strategy,I have yet to see a chart that takes LUCK into
  the calculations although we all know it does exist at times.If you
  are really lucky you are going to win more than the numbers say you
  are.

  In the very long run ,playing the positive game, chances are you will
  come out ahead without good luck or bad factored in.

  Ralph

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#4

What is the "very long run"? 10 years? 20 years? 100 years? No

one

The long run is not measured in time, but in hands played.
For games with a small advantage and high variance, the long
run can be as great as 5-10 million hands. For a game like
FPDW with 0.25% CB, the long run is probably closer to 1-2
million hands. By this I simply mean that after this much
play, your results are VERY likely to be close enough to the
expected result to ensure that you are at least $1 ahead.

That's where luck, and
knowing when to quit, comes into play.

There is no way of "Knowing when to quit". Going home today
and coming back tomorrow is not quitting. The times we choose
to quit, change machines, etc do nothing. It really is just
one long game.

QZ

#5

quadzilla_666 wrote:

There is no way of "Knowing when to quit". Going home today
and coming back tomorrow is not quitting. The times we choose
to quit, change machines, etc do nothing. It really is just
one long game.

You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree completely. I said it in a previous post and said it many times before -- it is the machine's long term you are playing, not the person playing it.

The math purists say that a given machine, with a given payout, will, over time, pay out over 100% with perfect play. We all know this. That is why we play FPVP. However when asked about results, it all of the sudden falls on the individual and their long term and not the machine's. The only thing the person doing is trying to play it with perfect play. If a person were to buy a brand new machine from the factory and only play that machine for the rest of their life, I would agree with you. Until that happens, forget it.

Bob

#6

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "quadzilla_666" <quadzilla666@e...>
wrote:
   For a game like

FPDW with 0.25% CB, the long run is probably closer to 1-2
million hands. By this I simply mean that after this much
play, your results are VERY likely to be close enough to the
expected result to ensure that you are at least $1 ahead.

Do you mean 1% ahaead?

DWK

#7

Bob: Let's say that you are correct.
So what .
How could this fact aid you in your play of a machine in a casino ?
My long term, the machines' long term , the collective long term of all players .
It still comes down to this...

If your goal is to make money playing video poker do the following..

1. Pick the machine with the best E.V.
2. Play where the best cashback / promotions are.
3. Play as close to perfect as you can.
4. Have a sufficient bankroll to survive the swings.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Sommer - Top of the World Coins
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Isn't it just one long game?

  You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree completely. I said it
  in a previous post and said it many times before -- it is the machine's
  long term you are playing, not the person playing it.

  The math purists say that a given machine, with a given payout, will,
  over time, pay out over 100% with perfect play. We all know this. That
  is why we play FPVP. However when asked about results, it all of the
  sudden falls on the individual and their long term and not the
  machine's. The only thing the person doing is trying to play it with
  perfect play. If a person were to buy a brand new machine from the
  factory and only play that machine for the rest of their life, I would
  agree with you. Until that happens, forget it.

  Bob

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#8

Albert Pearson wrote:

Bob: Let's say that you are correct.
So what .
How could this fact aid you in your play of a machine in a casino ?

You said it yourself in a previous post. Set a goal to win or lose. Move if it doesn't let you play. Quit that machine if you get a high pay off. Take a break, switch machines, or whatever. Everyone is different. You have a personal strategy and things you do, and so do I, not necessarily the same, but of the same idea. That's what helps and aids you and makes your gambling more pleasurable and probably profitable. But it would be very difficult to teach and all you can do is suggest and try and explain why you do the things you do, as it requires experience, an open mind, and will power to enforce your goals.

Also everyone has their own comfort level in playing, unless you are devoid of all emotions, at which point you are already beyond any help. I always look upon my trips to the casino as entertainment that I enjoy and hopefully make a few bucks while having some fun. I would rather enjoy my casino experience, win or lose, and not have to worry about running all over town on certain days to cash $5 bounce back checks or worry about where my next buffet or tank of gas is coming from. Some folks take this game way too seriously and condemn anything not ingrained between their ears or politically correct from some book they have read. They tend to forget that VP is suppose to be fun. Just my opinion. To each their own.

Bob

#9

OK Bob: I don't have any problem agreeing with that.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Sommer - Top of the World Coins
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Isn't it just one long game?

  Albert Pearson wrote:
  You said it yourself in a previous post. Set a goal to win or lose.
  Move if it doesn't let you play. Quit that machine if you get a high
  pay off. Take a break, switch machines, or whatever. Everyone is
  different. You have a personal strategy and things you do, and so do I,
  not necessarily the same, but of the same idea. That's what helps and
  aids you and makes your gambling more pleasurable and probably
  profitable. But it would be very difficult to teach and all you can do
  is suggest and try and explain why you do the things you do, as it
  requires experience, an open mind, and will power to enforce your goals.

  Also everyone has their own comfort level in playing, unless you are
  devoid of all emotions, at which point you are already beyond any help.
  I always look upon my trips to the casino as entertainment that I enjoy
  and hopefully make a few bucks while having some fun. I would rather
  enjoy my casino experience, win or lose, and not have to worry about
  running all over town on certain days to cash $5 bounce back checks or
  worry about where my next buffet or tank of gas is coming from. Some
  folks take this game way too seriously and condemn anything not
  ingrained between their ears or politically correct from some book they
  have read. They tend to forget that VP is suppose to be fun. Just my
  opinion. To each their own.

  Bob

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#10

You are also serious yet provide no actual strategies. Pretending a 5
minute break is a new session & that you "won" in the last 1 is
delusional & dangerous for new players. Can't say having no strategy
vs someone like Albert who seems to have 1 is just validly different
ways of doing things. Worrying about how "boring" FPDW is also is not
helpful to success. You either want to win & plan to do so or you do
not.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Sommer - Top of the World Coins
<NL7HT@b...> wrote:

Albert Pearson wrote:

> Bob: Let's say that you are correct.
> So what .
> How could this fact aid you in your play of a machine in a

casino ?

You said it yourself in a previous post. Set a goal to win or

lose.

Move if it doesn't let you play. Quit that machine if you get a

high

pay off. Take a break, switch machines, or whatever. Everyone is
different. You have a personal strategy and things you do, and so

do I,

not necessarily the same, but of the same idea. That's what helps

and

aids you and makes your gambling more pleasurable and probably
profitable. But it would be very difficult to teach and all you

can do

is suggest and try and explain why you do the things you do, as it
requires experience, an open mind, and will power to enforce your

goals.

Also everyone has their own comfort level in playing, unless you

are

devoid of all emotions, at which point you are already beyond any

help.

I always look upon my trips to the casino as entertainment that I

enjoy

and hopefully make a few bucks while having some fun. I would

rather

enjoy my casino experience, win or lose, and not have to worry

about

running all over town on certain days to cash $5 bounce back checks

or

worry about where my next buffet or tank of gas is coming from.

Some

folks take this game way too seriously and condemn anything not
ingrained between their ears or politically correct from some book

they

have read. They tend to forget that VP is suppose to be fun. Just

my

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opinion. To each their own.

Bob

#11

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@y...>
wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "quadzilla_666" <quadzilla666@e...>
wrote:
   For a game like
> FPDW with 0.25% CB, the long run is probably closer to 1-2
> million hands. By this I simply mean that after this much
> play, your results are VERY likely to be close enough to the
> expected result to ensure that you are at least $1 ahead.
>

Do you mean 1% ahaead?

No. Your expected value is to be about 1% ahead. So, you are
about 50-50 to be at or below this. However, after 2 million
hands of quarter FPDW, that corresponds to being ahead $25,000.

However, the odds of being ahead at least 1$ are MUCH better.

QZ