This may be a stupid question, but because of my IRS audit problems the last two years I went from being a high roller at Wynn and enjoying the benefits, to sitting on the sidelines. As I try to stay current while myself, my accountant and lawyer are preparing for tax court for my 2007 submission, I have been searching every source I know and it seems to me that few talk much about the game anymore or at least much less.. Is it the economy, the Casinos tightening free play, cash back, contests etc., other issues, or am I just imagining things. I have followed the Las Vegas Building collapse and their handle being down for 23 out of 24 months. Have they taken away all the perks for the high roller video poker player? Denny
Is Video Poker Still Popular???
Denny
I play mostly $ 2 V/P at Harrah's and we get room, food, airfare, shows and
my wife's spa trips comped when we visit Vegas. We normally go 2 times per
year for 8 days. Our host treats us pretty good. I play some $ 2 slots
occasionally.
It seems to me that V/P is still going strong. I do believe that the pay
tables have impacted play on the strip. I play V/P at Hollywood and
Horseshoe casinos in southern Indiana and they both get a lot of play. Good
pay tables.
Jan
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
denflo60
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:44 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Is Video Poker Still Popular???
This may be a stupid question, but because of my IRS audit problems the last
two years I went from being a high roller at Wynn and enjoying the benefits,
to sitting on the sidelines. As I try to stay current while myself, my
accountant and lawyer are preparing for tax court for my 2007 submission, I
have been searching every source I know and it seems to me that few talk
much about the game anymore or at least much less.. Is it the economy, the
Casinos tightening free play, cash back, contests etc., other issues, or am
I just imagining things. I have followed the Las Vegas Building collapse and
their handle being down for 23 out of 24 months. Have they taken away all
the perks for the high roller video poker player? Denny
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It's only popular if you lose.
The real question is if and when the economy poker comes back, will the profitable situations come back as well. I seriously doubt it.
Several of my buddies liken the demise of video poker to a baseball game. My favorite version of that game has the game in the top of the ninth, and Mariano Rivera warming up in the pen.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "denflo60" <dennis.florence@...> wrote:
This may be a stupid question, but because of my IRS audit problems the last two years I went from being a high roller at Wynn and enjoying the benefits, to sitting on the sidelines. As I try to stay current while myself, my accountant and lawyer are preparing for tax court for my 2007 submission, I have been searching every source I know and it seems to me that few talk much about the game anymore or at least much less.. Is it the economy, the Casinos tightening free play, cash back, contests etc., other issues, or am I just imagining things. I have followed the Las Vegas Building collapse and their handle being down for 23 out of 24 months. Have they taken away all the perks for the high roller video poker player? Denny
Sounds like the economy has forced hotel rates so low, the casinos feel they must make it up on perks to VP players
due to the lower profits associated with VP.
Am I correct in that assumption?
Bruce Stewart
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-----Original Message-----
From: WP SF <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 1:28 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is Video Poker Still Popular???
It's only popular if you lose.
The real question is if and when the economy poker comes back, will the profitable situations come back as well. I seriously doubt it.
Several of my buddies liken the demise of video poker to a baseball game. My favorite version of that game has the game in the top of the ninth, and Mariano Rivera warming up in the pen.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "denflo60" <dennis.florence@...> wrote:
This may be a stupid question, but because of my IRS audit problems the last two years I went from being a high roller at Wynn and enjoying the benefits, to sitting on the sidelines. As I try to stay current while myself, my accountant and lawyer are preparing for tax court for my 2007 submission, I have been searching every source I know and it seems to me that few talk much about the game anymore or at least much less.. Is it the economy, the Casinos tightening free play, cash back, contests etc., other issues, or am I just imagining things. I have followed the Las Vegas Building collapse and their handle being down for 23 out of 24 months. Have they taken away all the perks for the high roller video poker player? Denny
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They look and say a slot player is more profitable per dollar coin in than a VP player - true and decide well we only want reel players - it is stupid because the video poker players are stil profitable, just less so.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BCarStew@... wrote:
Sounds like the economy has forced hotel rates so low, the casinos feel they must make it up on perks to VP players
due to the lower profits associated with VP.Am I correct in that assumption?
Bruce Stewart
-----Original Message-----
From: WP SF <paladingamingllc@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 1:28 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is Video Poker Still Popular???It's only popular if you lose.
The real question is if and when the economy poker comes back, will the profitable situations come back as well. I seriously doubt it.
Several of my buddies liken the demise of video poker to a baseball game. My favorite version of that game has the game in the top of the ninth, and Mariano Rivera warming up in the pen.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "denflo60" <dennis.florence@> wrote:
>
> This may be a stupid question, but because of my IRS audit problems the last two years I went from being a high roller at Wynn and enjoying the benefits, to sitting on the sidelines. As I try to stay current while myself, my accountant and lawyer are preparing for tax court for my 2007 submission, I have been searching every source I know and it seems to me that few talk much about the game anymore or at least much less.. Is it the economy, the Casinos tightening free play, cash back, contests etc., other issues, or am I just imagining things. I have followed the Las Vegas Building collapse and their handle being down for 23 out of 24 months. Have they taken away all the perks for the high roller video poker player? Denny
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Look. If you owned a Strip casino and people filled your pockets with millions of dollars playing 6-5 BJ and 91% Texas Tea/Wheeeeeeel-of-FORTUNE slots would you be interested in whining VP players who know how to play within a hundreth of a percent?
As long as the suckers keep sucking expect the Strip attitude to continue being "screw-go to the Skyline if you don't like it".
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BCarStew@... wrote:
Sounds like the economy has forced hotel rates so low, the casinos feel they must make it up on perks to VP players
due to the lower profits associated with VP.Am I correct in that assumption?
I can tell you a recent story in the same vein when the casino actually lost quite a bit of dough trying to defeat several video poker players trying to win a car. They were so obsessed with beating the players out of a car, which someone is going to win anyway, than with making $10-$15K ev on them.
That's just hard core stupid, imho. I'm also certain the suits involved got attaboys from their bosses for said hard core stupidity.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:
They look and say a slot player is more profitable per dollar coin in than a VP player - true and decide well we only want reel players - it is stupid because the video poker players are stil profitable, just less so.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BCarStew@ wrote:
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> Sounds like the economy has forced hotel rates so low, the casinos feel they must make it up on perks to VP players
> due to the lower profits associated with VP.
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> Am I correct in that assumption?
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> Bruce Stewart
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WP SF <paladingamingllc@>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 1:28 am
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is Video Poker Still Popular???
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> It's only popular if you lose.
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> The real question is if and when the economy poker comes back, will the profitable situations come back as well. I seriously doubt it.
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> Several of my buddies liken the demise of video poker to a baseball game. My favorite version of that game has the game in the top of the ninth, and Mariano Rivera warming up in the pen.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "denflo60" <dennis.florence@> wrote:
> >
> > This may be a stupid question, but because of my IRS audit problems the last two years I went from being a high roller at Wynn and enjoying the benefits, to sitting on the sidelines. As I try to stay current while myself, my accountant and lawyer are preparing for tax court for my 2007 submission, I have been searching every source I know and it seems to me that few talk much about the game anymore or at least much less.. Is it the economy, the Casinos tightening free play, cash back, contests etc., other issues, or am I just imagining things. I have followed the Las Vegas Building collapse and their handle being down for 23 out of 24 months. Have they taken away all the perks for the high roller video poker player? Denny
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WP SF wrote:
I can tell you a recent story in the same vein when the casino actually
lost quite a bit of dough trying to defeat several video poker players
trying to win a car. They were so obsessed with beating the players out
of a car, which someone is going to win anyway, than with making $10-
$15K ev on them.That's just hard core stupid, imho. I'm also certain the suits involved
got attaboys from their bosses for said hard core stupidity.
I'm not sure which casino you're referring to, but MGM-Mirage has had a
policy in place for awhile that restricts video-poker players who aren't
losing big from tournaments and drawings. As you say, tournaments and
drawings are exactly the events they SHOULD be inviting them to. They have a
fixed prize pool and they will make money from everyone's play.
And of course, there are always a few outliers on their list of "skilled"
players who are simply lucky fish, and are in fact extremely desirable
customers.
Cogno
The details aren't important, but when the geniuses in slots decided to cut the points in half and the entries by another half (3/4ths in all), the players just bolted.
This gets better...one of the cars was allegedly won by a homeless guy with just a few entries, maybe just the one he swiped. That's a great message to send to your high rollers (although I'm thrilled for the homeless guy, the Republican in me tells me he'll mess that deal up somehow).
As for MGM Mirage, well, I've long thought that they are just too difficult to deal with. I think the final straw was making it $9 a point ($8 at Aria, I think).
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:
I'm not sure which casino you're referring to, but MGM-Mirage has had a
policy in place for awhile that restricts video-poker players who aren't
losing big from tournaments and drawings. As you say, tournaments and
drawings are exactly the events they SHOULD be inviting them to. They have a
fixed prize pool and they will make money from everyone's play.And of course, there are always a few outliers on their list of "skilled"
players who are simply lucky fish, and are in fact extremely desirable
customers.Cogno
As for MGM Mirage, well, I've long thought that they are just too
difficult to deal with. I think the final straw was making it $9 a
point ($8 at Aria, I think).
When did that happen? I must be asleep.
Cogno
They gave away a car and he won a house...
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:
This gets better...one of the cars was allegedly won by a homeless guy with just a few entries, maybe just the one he swiped. That's a great message to send to your high rollers (although I'm thrilled for the homeless guy, the Republican in me tells me he'll mess that deal up somehow).
MGM has not changed the point requirement for VP - there is some confusion based on how count down are appearing at some properties from software changes - but it is still $4.50 coin in per point
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:
The details aren't important, but when the geniuses in slots decided to cut the points in half and the entries by another half (3/4ths in all), the players just bolted.
This gets better...one of the cars was allegedly won by a homeless guy with just a few entries, maybe just the one he swiped. That's a great message to send to your high rollers (although I'm thrilled for the homeless guy, the Republican in me tells me he'll mess that deal up somehow).
As for MGM Mirage, well, I've long thought that they are just too difficult to deal with. I think the final straw was making it $9 a point ($8 at Aria, I think).
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@> wrote:
> I'm not sure which casino you're referring to, but MGM-Mirage has had a
> policy in place for awhile that restricts video-poker players who aren't
> losing big from tournaments and drawings. As you say, tournaments and
> drawings are exactly the events they SHOULD be inviting them to. They have a
> fixed prize pool and they will make money from everyone's play.
>
> And of course, there are always a few outliers on their list of "skilled"
> players who are simply lucky fish, and are in fact extremely desirable
> customers.
>
> Cogno
>