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Is the Palms going to be taken over by Caesars Entertainment Corp.?

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that I heard about them wanting to move the WSOP because they were trying to sell the Rio. I was told no they are looking at moving WSOP to PH so they would have more room. Then the kicker came out of my sources mouth. "Why would Caesars sell the Rio? Apollo Management (part owners of Caesars) is buying up the Palms debt so Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

Can anyone in the know confirm this?

Didn't one of Harrah's owners (Apollo I thought) buy a sizeable chunk of Palms' debt about this time last year, right around the PH takover? Seems like I remember reading about an indignant and defiant George Maloof shooting down notions that Harrah's was positioning itself to gobble the Palms up like PH.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: cb_ray@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:41:37 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Is the Palms going to be taken over by Caesars Entertainment Corp.?

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that I heard about them wanting to move the WSOP because they were trying to sell the Rio. I was told no they are looking at moving WSOP to PH so they would have more room. Then the kicker came out of my sources mouth. "Why would Caesars sell the Rio? Apollo Management (part owners of Caesars) is buying up the Palms debt so Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

Can anyone in the know confirm this?

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http://www.lvrj.com/business/equity-groups-seek-controlling-stake-in-palms-casino-113019314.html

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@...> wrote:

Can anyone in the know confirm this?

Marc thank you for the link. Enjoy the play there while it last. :frowning:

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Way back when Steve Wynn and Donald Trump were competing for rights to build what ultimately became the Borgata in AC, Wynn reportedly said, "No one with a negative net worth (meaning "The Donald")should get a license to own a casino."

Modern private-equity financing methods have largely mooted that point about owner solvency, but I do wonder if a company that can't even afford to finish its new Caesars Palace tower should try to add more Vegas casino properties in the current economic environment.

The GMan

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@...> wrote:

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that *****Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

I've wondered that very thing. For companies built upon gaming, they sure seem to engage in the same rationalization they hope their customers make: you can't make any REAL money unless you risk REAL money, who cares if you really have it to lose or not.

What's a few more zero place holders on the bankruptcy filing?

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: gleng4444@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:06:27 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is the Palms going to be taken over by Caesars Entertainment Corp.?

Way back when Steve Wynn and Donald Trump were competing for rights to build what ultimately became the Borgata in AC, Wynn reportedly said, "No one with a negative net worth (meaning "The Donald")should get a license to own a casino."

Modern private-equity financing methods have largely mooted that point about owner solvency, but I do wonder if a company that can't even afford to finish its new Caesars Palace tower should try to add more Vegas casino properties in the current economic environment.

The GMan

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@...> wrote:

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that *****Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

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Look, had the economy held to an even keel, the LBO was extremely rational. No doubt there were signs to give pause for concern, but I'm not going to question the strength of their particular crystal ball at the time. I find it quite likely that TPG/Apollo will be all smiles when everything comes out in the wash.

Where I have my qualms about a Palms acquisition is that CE has a lousy track record when it comes to managing brand equity. Harrah's heavily "generic-ized" Caesars Palace to the extent that much of what once made it an elite property evaporated.

Under Park Place, you felt the uniqueness of CP from the moment you stepped in the door. With Total Rewards, patrons in the check-in lines and on the gaming floor were largely indistinguishable from those over at Bally's.

It's laughable, that only after trashing CP, Harrah's decided the "Caesars" brand was appealing enough to change monikers.

I imagine that in going after Palms, the intent would be to give current management a free hand. But I think Caesars (nee Harrah's) is too ingrained in it's franchising practices to actually do that, and I look for the Palms identity to suffer just as was the case with CP.

Unfortunately, the Palms brand equity is a much stronger factor in the success of the property and the consequence of it's dilution is likely to be pretty dismal.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David Silvus <djsilvus@...> wrote:

I've wondered that very thing. For companies built upon gaming, they sure seem to engage in the same rationalization they hope their customers make: you can't make any REAL money unless you risk REAL money, who cares if you really have it to lose or not.

What's a few more zero place holders on the bankruptcy filing?

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: gleng4444@...
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:06:27 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is the Palms going to be taken over by Caesars Entertainment Corp.?

Way back when Steve Wynn and Donald Trump were competing for rights to build what ultimately became the Borgata in AC, Wynn reportedly said, "No one with a negative net worth (meaning "The Donald")should get a license to own a casino."

Modern private-equity financing methods have largely mooted that point about owner solvency, but I do wonder if a company that can't even afford to finish its new Caesars Palace tower should try to add more Vegas casino properties in the current economic environment.

The GMan
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@> wrote:
> Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that *****Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

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I'm disappointed because Harrah's Reward program is not very rewarding in my book. I look at all of these companies getting bigger and bigger and remember how in the 80s wall street started buying up large companies and started gutting them for their assets. I can see it happening again in the next 4 years now it will play out in the casino world will be interesting to see, everything happens in cycles.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Look, had the economy held to an even keel, the LBO was extremely rational. No doubt there were signs to give pause for concern, but I'm not going to question the strength of their particular crystal ball at the time. I find it quite likely that TPG/Apollo will be all smiles when everything comes out in the wash.

Where I have my qualms about a Palms acquisition is that CE has a lousy track record when it comes to managing brand equity. Harrah's heavily "generic-ized" Caesars Palace to the extent that much of what once made it an elite property evaporated.

Under Park Place, you felt the uniqueness of CP from the moment you stepped in the door. With Total Rewards, patrons in the check-in lines and on the gaming floor were largely indistinguishable from those over at Bally's.

It's laughable, that only after trashing CP, Harrah's decided the "Caesars" brand was appealing enough to change monikers.

I imagine that in going after Palms, the intent would be to give current management a free hand. But I think Caesars (nee Harrah's) is too ingrained in it's franchising practices to actually do that, and I look for the Palms identity to suffer just as was the case with CP.

Unfortunately, the Palms brand equity is a much stronger factor in the success of the property and the consequence of it's dilution is likely to be pretty dismal.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David Silvus <djsilvus@> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@> wrote:
> > Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that *****Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6bXYp-R9Q

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@...> wrote:

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that I heard about them wanting to move the WSOP because they were trying to sell the Rio. I was told no they are looking at moving WSOP to PH so they would have more room. Then the kicker came out of my sources mouth. "Why would Caesars sell the Rio? Apollo Management (part owners of Caesars) is buying up the Palms debt so Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

Can anyone in the know confirm this?

That was so funny!!!! I'm still laughing!

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--- On Wed, 1/19/11, mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is the Palms going to be taken over by Caesars Entertainment Corp.?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 12:53 PM

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6bXYp-R9Q

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@...> wrote:

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that I heard about them wanting to move the WSOP because they were trying to sell the Rio. I was told no they are looking at moving WSOP to PH so they would have more room. Then the kicker came out of my sources mouth. "Why would Caesars sell the Rio? Apollo Management (part owners of Caesars) is buying up the Palms debt so Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

Can anyone in the know confirm this?

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The Palms is behind in their mortgage. So anyone with big money can pick up the
mortgage and foreclose. Caesars will ruin the Palms; but the Moloofs don't have
deep enough pockets or friends in high places.

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From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 12:53:00 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is the Palms going to be taken over by Caesars
Entertainment Corp.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6bXYp-R9Q

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@...> wrote:

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment
Corp. about the rumor that I heard about them wanting to move the WSOP because
they were trying to sell the Rio. I was told no they are looking at moving WSOP
to PH so they would have more room. Then the kicker came out of my sources
mouth. "Why would Caesars sell the Rio? Apollo Management (part owners of
Caesars) is buying up the Palms debt so Caesars can take them over like they did
with PH."

Can anyone in the know confirm this?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Las Vegas Sun had an article today questioning if Light Group is buying the Rio.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cb_ray" <cb_ray@...> wrote:

Last night at Harrah's I was talking with someone with Caesars Entertainment Corp. about the rumor that I heard about them wanting to move the WSOP because they were trying to sell the Rio. I was told no they are looking at moving WSOP to PH so they would have more room. Then the kicker came out of my sources mouth. "Why would Caesars sell the Rio? Apollo Management (part owners of Caesars) is buying up the Palms debt so Caesars can take them over like they did with PH."

Can anyone in the know confirm this?