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Is playing 10/7 bd using job strategy better than playing a ...

#1

In a message dated 1/3/07 7:09:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
jamis225@yahoo.com writes:

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Good lord no! The DB playing strategy is very intricate whether for
9/7 or 10/7. You could use JOB strategy for BONUS poker, but not for
DOUBLE BONUS.

You can download a DB playing strategy from this site.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bedioyscans2000"
<bedioyscans2000@...> wrote:
>
> I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that
if I
> had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine -
and I
> only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be
better
> using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
> machine.
>
> Thanks for any answers or directions
>

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Well actually playing 10/7/5 DB using 9/6 Jacks strategy will yield 99.6%.
Checkout Five-Card's site that has a table for playing the wrong strategy:

http://videopoker.fws1.com/wrong_strat.html

Just adding a couple things to Jacks strategy will get some of the lost ER.

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#2

In a message dated 1/3/07 7:09:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time,>

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, GRAYTLEEGRAY@... wrote:
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Well actually playing 10/7/5 DB using 9/6 Jacks strategy will

yield 99.6%.

Checkout Five-Card's site that has a table for playing the wrong

strategy:

http://videopoker.fws1.com/wrong_strat.html

Just adding a couple things to Jacks strategy will get some of the

lost ER.

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What else besides keepin 3 aces over full house & keeping 4 to
straight no high cards over a redraw is there ?
M J

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#3

IMO, 10/7DB is one of the most complicated games to found. KBJW is
the only game that I play that exceeds it in complexity.

Because I am a REC player, more intent on enjoying myself than
making my livlihood at VP, I have devised my own "simplified"
strategy. While not playing at 100% accuracy while utilizing it, I
believe that it's close enough to maximize winning, while allowing
me to play at my normal speed and still derive enjoyment from
playing the game.

While playing 10/7DB, I stray from 9/6JOB strategy on the following
hands:

1) Keep ST4 over low pair, EVEN paired 2/3/4
2) Keep suited AQ/Ak/AJ PLUS suited pup card (This one requires
discipline)
3) Keep 3 suited non-SF pup cards over throwaway
4) Keep inside ST over throwaway
5) Pay attention to Penalty Cards ONLY if they are immediately
apparent as FL or ST interference. O/W, if I have to LOOK for PCs,
it not only reduces my enjoyment of the game, but slows me down too
much.
5) Other than the above, I use basic JOB strategy.

That is the simple DB strategy that I always follow. Well, ALMOST
always. Truthfully, I must admit that I have occasionally thrown
that pup suited card and held only RF2. Do with me what you will! (-:

I'm sure that some purists will quarrel with much of this, but it
works well for me.

Of course, anyone that desires to play this game perfectly should
strive do so. That does require practicing continually on good VP
software.

Good Luck to All!
~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mklpryy24" <mklpryy24@...> wrote:
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What else besides keepin 3 aces over full house & keeping 4 to
straight no high cards over a redraw is there ?
  M J

#4

BIG OOPS! I forgot one of the most important holds: Keep only
the ACES on any Aces/Full FH!
~Babne~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
While playing 10/7DB, I stray from 9/6JOB strategy on the following

hands:

1) Keep ST4 over low pair, EVEN paired 2/3/4
2) Keep suited AQ/Ak/AJ PLUS suited pup card (This one requires
discipline)
3) Keep 3 suited non-SF pup cards over throwaway
4) Keep inside ST over throwaway
5) Pay attention to Penalty Cards ONLY if they are immediately
apparent as FL or ST interference. O/W, if I have to LOOK for PCs,
it not only reduces my enjoyment of the game, but slows me down too
much.
6) Other than the above, I use basic JOB strategy.

#5

I don't have the Frugal software, but isn't one able to "define" a strategy and have the
program compute the EV for a particular game?

It would be interesting (to me, anyway) as to what the results are (for any of you who have
the software and the inclination to do so).

Of course, also adding the OOOPS! of the later message, as well.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

While playing 10/7DB, I stray from 9/6JOB strategy on the following
hands:

1) Keep ST4 over low pair, EVEN paired 2/3/4
2) Keep suited AQ/Ak/AJ PLUS suited pup card (This one requires
discipline)
3) Keep 3 suited non-SF pup cards over throwaway
4) Keep inside ST over throwaway
5) Pay attention to Penalty Cards ONLY if they are immediately
apparent as FL or ST interference. O/W, if I have to LOOK for PCs,
it not only reduces my enjoyment of the game, but slows me down too
much.
5) Other than the above, I use basic JOB strategy.

#6

bornloser1537 wrote:

I don't have the Frugal software, but isn't one able to "define" a
strategy and have the program compute the EV for a particular game?

It would be interesting (to me, anyway) as to what the results are
(for any of you who have the software and the inclination to do so).

Of course, also adding the OOOPS! of the later message, as well.

That is, indeed, a unique feature to Frugal VP. Babe's strategy works
out to 99.83% - a .21% improvement over 10/7 DB w/ std 9/6 JB
strategy. FWIW, the hold of trip A's over a FH gains less than .01%.

Appropriately add back 3 holds that aren't native to 9/6 Jacks and you
can pick up another .21% These are (w/ insertion point):

- 3 card flush, 1 hi (above 2RF, QT)
- 4 card str, ins, 1 hi (above 2HC, QJ)
- 4 card str, ins, 2 hi (above unsuited JQK)

- Harry

#7

Hi BW. Happy New Year!

I have WinPoker 5 & 6, and Video Poker for Winners, but don't have a
clue as to how ask the software "to define a strategy, and compute
the EV for the defined strategy". If there is a way to do this, one
of the brilliant minds on this board will surely explain the
procedure.

My seat-of-pants, non-math-head guesstimate of the EV is just a tad
under 100%......maybe 99.9%? I arrived at this extremely
unscientific "guess" by taking the EV generated by using JOB
strategy while playing DB (approx. 99.65, if I remember correctly)
and the EV of optimum play at DB (100.17%)

Of course, I may be way off. If so, I would be happy to be
corrected.

~Babe~

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>wrote:

I don't have the Frugal software, but isn't one able to "define" a
strategy and have the program compute the EV for a particular game?

It would be interesting (to me, anyway) as to what the results are
(for any of you who have the software and the inclination to do so).

Of course, also adding the OOOPS! of the later message, as well.

.....bl

-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@>wrote:

While playing 10/7DB, I stray from 9/6JOB strategy on the following
hands:........................

#8

Bless you, Harry! I had a feeling that you would come through with
the correct calculations!

I wasn't that far off in my guesstimates, but I'm certainly happy to
have the correct information.

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- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

........ Babe's strategy works out to 99.83% - a .21%

improvement over 10/7 DB w/ std 9/6 JB strategy.

Not TOO bad. The big thing, for me, is that it makes DB much more
fun as well as faster to play.

FWIW, the hold of trip A's over a FH gains less than .01%.

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VERY interesting! Considering how many times I've thrown away a FH,
and only gotten 3OAK, vs. how few times I've scored 4 Aces with this
play, it's got me wondering if I will drop the small pair next time.

My guess is that I will probably still make the proper play. It
seems that each time the opportunity presents itself, I'm once again
optimistic that I'll score the 4th Ace.

Appropriately add back 3 holds that aren't native to 9/6

Jacks and you can pick up another .21% These are (w/ insertion
point):

- 3 card flush, 1 hi (above 2RF, QT)
- 4 card str, ins, 1 hi (above 2HC, QJ)
- 4 card str, ins, 2 hi (above unsuited JQK)
- Harry

More good stuff for me to ponder, Harry. Actually, if I'm at least
semi-alert, I usually do keep the holds which you noted above.
Particularly the two 4 card inside straight holds. Though, I must
confess, that a major portion of the computer "beeps" to which I've
had to listen, while practicing on WP, have been related to those
two hands. While I do usually hold correctly, I guess that the
proper hold is in opposition to my natural instinct.

Thanks for your informed help!
~Babe~

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jackessiebabe wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>>FWIW, the hold of trip A's over a FH gains less than .01%.

VERY interesting! Considering how many times I've thrown away a FH,
and only gotten 3OAK, vs. how few times I've scored 4 Aces with this
play, it's got me wondering if I will drop the small pair next time.

Because of the very small ER difference, I originally reasoned that I
would hold Aces "full" rather than just the trip when playing 10/7 DB
in the desire to soften game volatility a bit. Right. :wink:

That was a fruitless target. I finally got real and started holding
just the Aces -- gaining both a tad ER as well as a bit of additional
EV in the thrill of the hunt :slight_smile:

- Harry

#10

--Thank you for the info.

M J

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- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:

BIG OOPS! I forgot one of the most important holds: Keep only
the ACES on any Aces/Full FH!
~Babne~

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@>
While playing 10/7DB, I stray from 9/6JOB strategy on the

following

> hands:
>
> 1) Keep ST4 over low pair, EVEN paired 2/3/4
> 2) Keep suited AQ/Ak/AJ PLUS suited pup card (This one requires
> discipline)
> 3) Keep 3 suited non-SF pup cards over throwaway
> 4) Keep inside ST over throwaway
> 5) Pay attention to Penalty Cards ONLY if they are immediately
> apparent as FL or ST interference. O/W, if I have to LOOK for

PCs,

> it not only reduces my enjoyment of the game, but slows me down

too

> much.
> 6) Other than the above, I use basic JOB strategy.
>