I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that if I
had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine - and I
only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be better
using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
machine.
Thanks for any answers or directions
Using JoB strategy (with no modification) on a 10/7 DB machine
provides a return of about 99.7%. So, yes, you are better off at the
10/7 DB machine...though there is a higher variance...
Ken
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bedioyscans2000" <bedioyscans2000@...>
wrote:
I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that if I
had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine - and I
only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be better
using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
machine.Thanks for any answers or directions
Good lord no! The DB playing strategy is very intricate whether for
9/7 or 10/7. You could use JOB strategy for BONUS poker, but not for
DOUBLE BONUS.
You can download a DB playing strategy from this site.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bedioyscans2000"
<bedioyscans2000@...> wrote:
I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that
if I
had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine -
and I
only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be
better
using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
machine.Thanks for any answers or directions
You are correct that the optimal DB strategy is complex. But you are
incorrect regarding your comment about using JoB strategy to play DB.
Using 9/6 JoB strategy on a 10/7 DB machine with no adjustments
provides a return that is better than 9/6 JoB.
Here is a link to an article by Bob Dancer that states the same
thing... http://www.casinoplayer.com/archive/9604cp/bonus.html
Ken
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jamis225" <jamis225@...> wrote:
Good lord no! The DB playing strategy is very intricate whether for
9/7 or 10/7. You could use JOB strategy for BONUS poker, but not for
DOUBLE BONUS.You can download a DB playing strategy from this site.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bedioyscans2000"
<bedioyscans2000@> wrote:
>
> I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that
if I
> had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine -
and I
> only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be
better
> using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
> machine.
>
> Thanks for any answers or directions
>
kkirschner wrote:
You are correct that the optimal DB strategy is complex. But you are
incorrect regarding your comment about using JoB strategy to play DB.
Using 9/6 JoB strategy on a 10/7 DB machine with no adjustments
provides a return that is better than 9/6 JoB.Here is a link to an article by Bob Dancer that states the same
thing... http://www.casinoplayer.com/archive/9604cp/bonus.htmlKen
Good lord no! The DB playing strategy is very intricate whether for
9/7 or 10/7. You could use JOB strategy for BONUS poker, but not for
DOUBLE BONUS.You can download a DB playing strategy from this site.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bedioyscans2000"
<bedioyscans2000@> wrote:
I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that
if I
had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine -
and I
only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be
better
using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
machine.Thanks for any answers or directions
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
I think that The Wizard of Odds has a "Wrong Strategy Sheet" available that shows the E.V. loss for playing various games using the wrong strategy. Maybe some kind soul will supply the proper url. My sheet is old and in pretty bad shape, so I am unable to say just where I got it from. Dick McK.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jamis225" <jamis225@...> wrote:
bedioyscans2000 wrote:
I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that if I
had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine - and
I only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be better
using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
machine.
The adjusted return is 99.63%, but requires a little stiffer session
bankroll than 9/6 Jacks.
- H.
I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that if I
had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine - and I
only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be better
using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
machine.
For return percentages playing a couple dozen games using a "wrong"
strategy, go here:
http://videopoker.fws1.com/wrong_strat.html
Nudge
Hey there
A few years ago I was on a bad, verrry bad, session of JOB 9/6 $1. I
was dealt 2 to roy; an A 10 suited. I turned to Barney, the guy
sitting next to me. "I'm doing so crummy, I think I'll play wrong;
the A - 10. " I caught the royal. Barney, who was a good vp player
said, "Looks like the right play to me." So here's the question; was
the play right or wrong?
Jeep
> I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that
if I
> had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine -
and I
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
> only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be better
> using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
> machine.For return percentages playing a couple dozen games using a "wrong"
strategy, go here:
http://videopoker.fws1.com/wrong_strat.htmlNudge
Look it up on the strategy card Jeeps. You know what the math tells you to do.
(The math always tells you to STAY HOME!)
==================
I beg to differ, HERE's your real question:
If someone convinces you it was the wrong play, are you still going to hold A-T when you
want to?
And here's your Answer:
Of course, it's YOUR money!
and, remember,
you're in Nevada to gamble
Prediction:
Somebody will cross "the line" in this thread enough to jeopardize their membership.
And it won't be me.
You makin' trouble Jeeps?
Such an innocent sounding question....
~MARK
---Jeeps wrote:
Hey there
A few years ago I was on a bad, verrry bad, session of JOB 9/6 $1. I
was dealt 2 to roy; an A 10 suited. I turned to Barney, the guy
sitting next to me. "I'm doing so crummy, I think I'll play wrong;
the A - 10. " I caught the royal. Barney, who was a good vp player
said, "Looks like the right play to me." So here's the question; was
the play right or wrong?Jeep
I think the difference between right and wrong here is the same as the
difference between hindsight and foresight (and the bruises my wife
puts on my arm playing blackjack).
If you know the outcome, and it's what you want, then it was the right
decision, in hindsight. But if you asked for predictions, I would
have told you not to do it.
When I play blackjack with my wife and she asks if she should hit her
hard 16 against a 7, I tell her yes. If she loses, she hits me in the
arm (I was wrong, even though I was right). If she wins, I get a kiss.
- John
---Jeeps wrote:
>
> Hey there
>
> A few years ago I was on a bad, verrry bad, session of JOB 9/6 $1. I
> was dealt 2 to roy; an A 10 suited. I turned to Barney, the guy
> sitting next to me. "I'm doing so crummy, I think I'll play wrong;
> the A - 10. " I caught the royal. Barney, who was a good vp player
> said, "Looks like the right play to me." So here's the question; was
> the play right or wrong?
>
> Jeep
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bedioyscans2000" <bedioyscans2000@...>
wrote:
I can't seem to find that information but I thought I read that if I
had the choice between a 10/7 db machine and a 9/6 job machine - and
I
only know 9/6 job strategy - that the return would still be better
using the job strategy on the db machine than using it on the job
machine.Thanks for any answers or directions
I've found that after a lot of hands playing both games mostly $.25 but
with quite a lot on the $.05 DB 3-play at GN (RIP), using the
appropriate strategies for each, with close to 100% accuracy on the JOB
and 99.3% accuracy on the DB, that I can play a lot longer (with much
better chance of hitting the RF) on the JOB. I'm a visitor, not a
local so I ptobably don't get a cycle's worth of hands in for a trip.
I've had several royals playing 9/6 JOB and 8/5 BP, but never one on
10/7 DB. My bankroll just doesn't ride out the variance on that game.
Hey there Mark
Deep thoughts ahead. things to ponder.
If it's the last few minutes of a playing week or weekend, there
might be a valid reason to play wrong. Your on your way out the door
and the wife has sent for the car. The bankroll is in the tank. The
house payment is due. Gas money is all you have left. The decision;
gamble a few pennies (# pennies depending on penalty cards) for one
last chance at that elusive $4000 royal. A royal beats the hell out
of 4 As. Sort of like the quarter player who plays 1 coin to get more
play time. In either case, valid reason? Maybe?
Another deep thought for those who will argue, "Don't gamble what you
can't afford to lose!" Gambling is not fun unless you wager more
than you can afford to lose. It's gotta hurt if you lose. That's when
the win is sweetest. Of course, those who rise to pro level are not
aflicted with gamblers rush and grind out profits daily without
emotion???(Ha Ha) I guess the recreational players are in no mans
land; not gamblers or pros. I guess they gamble 1/2 the time.
Here's one more interesting thing. I always play A in JOB A 10 suited
hand. On one occasion I actually made a deliberate play contrary to
normal. Even discussed it with guy playing next. What are the odds?
There has never been a time when I played A only and ditched the
10; then seeing the other 3 to the royal come as next 3 cards. Have
seen 3rd to roy come in as 4th draw card. I might have drawn to A and
next 3 were roy, but I have never noticed.
I'm not stirin up trouble, I'm just telling a story. Of course, I
know you jest.
Cheers....Jeep
Look it up on the strategy card Jeeps. You know what the math tells
you to do.
(The math always tells you to STAY HOME!)
==================
I beg to differ, HERE's your real question:If someone convinces you it was the wrong play, are you still going
to hold A-T when you
want to?
And here's your Answer:
Yes.
Of course, it's YOUR money!
and, remember,
you're in Nevada to gamblePrediction:
Somebody will cross "the line" in this thread enough to jeopardize
their membership.
And it won't be me.
You makin' trouble Jeeps?
Such an innocent sounding question....~MARK
---Jeeps wrote:
>
> Hey there
>
> A few years ago I was on a bad, verrry bad, session of JOB 9/6
$1. I
> was dealt 2 to roy; an A 10 suited. I turned to Barney, the guy
> sitting next to me. "I'm doing so crummy, I think I'll play
wrong;
> the A - 10. " I caught the royal. Barney, who was a good vp
player
> said, "Looks like the right play to me." So here's the question;
was
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark_my_words_again@...> wrote:
> the play right or wrong?
>
> Jeep
pasarese wrote:
I've found that after a lot of hands playing both games mostly $.25
but with quite a lot on the $.05 DB 3-play at GN (RIP), using the
appropriate strategies for each, with close to 100% accuracy on the
JOB and 99.3% accuracy on the DB, that I can play a lot longer (with
much better chance of hitting the RF) on the JOB. I'm a visitor, not
a local so I ptobably don't get a cycle's worth of hands in for a
trip.
I've had several royals playing 9/6 JOB and 8/5 BP, but never one on
10/7 DB. My bankroll just doesn't ride out the variance on that
game.
A dearth of 10/7 DB royals over any period of time is quite a bit more
probable than when playing 9/6 JB -- given a royal cycle of 48K hands
vs. the 40K of JB. (Explained by the greater frequency with which you
hold just 2 or 3 suited high cards in JB).
Over the course of 100,000 hands of play, it's 50% more likely that
you won't see a DB royal than fail to see a JB royal.
However, 10/7 DB has it's compensation. Between the higher return and
smaller contribution of the royal to that return (due to the longer
cycle), any length of DB play without a royal comes out with an ER
that's just shy of 1% higher than comparable JB play.
This means you're playing on near par expectation even should you hit
half the DB royals as JB over the longer run.
During a period when 10/7 DB could be found in AC, I played through
over 5 cycles of hands. I giddily hit a RF on my 2nd session, but
failed to ever hit again. It was an unfortunate experience. Yet,
with respectable cb/promo cash, I came away in far better shape than I
might expect were I playing JB with equally sour luck (even if with
more royals).
Ultimately though, as you suggest, (and as in any game) DB will be an
uncomfortable play if you don't stake yourself sufficiently to see
yourself through your desired trip play.
- Harry