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Is Diamond worth it?

#1

It seems to be the consensus of this board that to get Harrah's
Diamond in a day one should expect to loose about $1000. Is that
much really worth it? How many visits to the Diamond room does one
make in a year and what then is the average cost per visit?

We were drawn back to Showboat by their addition of many 9/6 JOB
machines. The problem is that the machines are hard to read due to
glare and the noise in the HOB casino it especially loud. The seem
to give one reward point in addition to the base point so the comp
return is better than Harrah's AC. They do offer certain Point
Multiplier days which makes the machines more desirable, but the
glare and noise are still there. When I was last there the ticket
printer was defective on two machines and long waits were needed
until the techie came.

I like the décor and drinks in the Pelican club, but compared to the
Amphora Room at Borgata the food is lacking. Usually they have one
mediocre hot entrée and a selection of cold cuts.

Most of the line losers such as check in and buffet are available to
platinium holders. Showboat also included comped buffets so that
means a better meal then one could get in the Pelican room.

#2

The problem is that the machines are hard to read due to
glare and the noise in the HOB casino it especially loud.

I certainly agree on the noise and I have sent a note to management
about it but nothing will probably happen. The glare is a problem
with the machines along that half wall. It isn't so bad on the ones
that are perpendicular to it and sitting more toward the middle of the
room.

When I was last there the ticket
printer was defective on two machines and long waits were needed
until the techie came.

If you're Diamond, you can press the '2' on the keypad and someone
will come pretty quickly.

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On 8/23/05, henk strouse <hkhenry@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Barry

#3

henk strouse wrote:

It seems to be the consensus of this board that to get Harrah's
Diamond in a day one should expect to loose about $1000. Is that
much really worth it? How many visits to the Diamond room does one
make in a year and what then is the average cost per visit?

Hey Henry!

The phrasing should be "PREPARED to lose about $1000" (I'd suggest
$1500-$2000 if tackling $1 JB, since I lost $1300 this time around).

The "expected cost", driven by the game ER and any cashback, is
usually under $100.

The ideal situation is if you earn it playing the same games you
already play at the same denomination. In that case, you aren't
exposing yourself to any additional appreciable risk in going for
Diamond. It pretty much becomes a "Why Not?" situation -- assuming
that there are specific Diamond benefits you're after.

Just the abbreviated Diamond lines at the buffet, coffee shop, hotel
registration, and the card desk alone make it worth the effort if
you're an infrequent, casual Harrah's guest who may not otherwise play
through the $100K play on the property to earn Diamond in a year (or
don't want to wait on it). Some of the most attractive hotel towers
may only be available on weekends to Diamond cardholders.

But I shudder a bit at the idea of a quarter player who'd make the
leap to one time $ play to get an $18K-20K day in. Still, there is
just such a report on acvpp this week and they lucked into a DEALT royal.

- H.

#4

We only renewed ONE diamond card this year because it wasn't worth it to us. And our "cost" was about $200 I believe. IF a new reason is discovered for us to get #2 we will pursue the diamond in a day approach again.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "henk strouse" <hkhenry@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:36 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Is Diamond worth it?

It seems to be the consensus of this board that to get Harrah's
Diamond in a day one should expect to loose about $1000. Is that
much really worth it? How many visits to the Diamond room does one
make in a year and what then is the average cost per visit?

#5

For me the Diamond Status has been wonderful. I did the Diamond in a
day on the $5 JOB and lost $90. Since that time I have received
mailers for 4/days 3/nights hotel, $100 food voucher, and airfare
reimbursement from 5 different properties. I have also used the free
rooms at the Rio (although I live in Vegas) which included a $55,000
slot tournament and next week is their $50,000 Blackjack tournament.

Being locals, we love to use the pool and health club at the RIO, this
is included as a Diamond member.

I think if you give them any play at all the offers seem to continue.
We usually end up playing about $2000 coin in per trip on bad .25
poker machines.

If I eventually lose my diamond status I will re-qualify with the
$18,000 coin in the next day.

#6

I am a little late to the party, but the math would say that the
average loss to get diamond in a day is about $100, not $1,000.
Just for fun I ran 25 simulations of 4,000 hands of $1 JOB in
WinPoker, here are some hopefully interesting results.

the 2 best simulations as far as cost to accomplish the task required
only a $40 bankroll (they hit right away and stayed ahead the whole
time), the worst 2 took $1960 and $1680 to make it to the end, the
average 'bankroll' was $747.20

as far as final results after exactly 4000 hands.
the best 2 were $3620 and $2825 ahead, and the worst 2 were $1895 and
$1640 behind, the average for all 25 was a loss of $86.20 about what
would be expected.

As far as the value goes, It would be different at each property, and
each individual will put different values and the benifits, I dont
have any local choices that are better than Harrahs and I am fortunate
that my local harrahs has some playable games all the time and some
progressives that occasionally get 'good', so Diamond is not an issue.
IMO I would think that getting diamond either the long or short way is
a good 'value' and personally I think the requirements are way too low
and if they would raise the requirements, then they could treat the
players better, but it seems that harrahs knows what they are doing as
far as marketing and benifits to thier clientele.

Happy Royals
Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "henk strouse" <hkhenry@y...> wrote:

It seems to be the consensus of this board that to get Harrah's
Diamond in a day one should expect to loose about $1000. Is that
much really worth it? How many visits to the Diamond room does one
make in a year and what then is the average cost per visit?

#7

database states 'Diamond in a Day' requires $100k coin in, unless it
differs by location?

Eric

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On 8/29/05, jimnkelli <jbecker11@charter.net> wrote:

I am a little late to the party, but the math would say that the
average loss to get diamond in a day is about $100, not $1,000.
Just for fun I ran 25 simulations of 4,000 hands of $1 JOB in
WinPoker, here are some hopefully interesting results.

the 2 best simulations as far as cost to accomplish the task required
only a $40 bankroll (they hit right away and stayed ahead the whole
time), the worst 2 took $1960 and $1680 to make it to the end, the
average 'bankroll' was $747.20

as far as final results after exactly 4000 hands.
the best 2 were $3620 and $2825 ahead, and the worst 2 were $1895 and
$1640 behind, the average for all 25 was a loss of $86.20 about what
would be expected.

As far as the value goes, It would be different at each property, and
each individual will put different values and the benifits, I dont
have any local choices that are better than Harrahs and I am fortunate
that my local harrahs has some playable games all the time and some
progressives that occasionally get 'good', so Diamond is not an issue.
IMO I would think that getting diamond either the long or short way is
a good 'value' and personally I think the requirements are way too low
and if they would raise the requirements, then they could treat the
players better, but it seems that harrahs knows what they are doing as
far as marketing and benifits to thier clientele.

Happy Royals
Jim

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#8

Where did you find this in the DataBase?

It doesn't sound right.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 29 Aug 2005 at 17:03, fieldcommand wrote:

database states 'Diamond in a Day' requires $100k coin in, unless it
differs by location?

#9

I'm wrong. $100k is yearly.

Since I'm here, can someone qualify the difference between diamond and platinum?

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On 8/29/05, vpFREE <vpFREE@cox.net> wrote:

On 29 Aug 2005 at 17:03, fieldcommand wrote:

> database states 'Diamond in a Day' requires $100k coin in, unless it
> differs by location?

Where did you find this in the DataBase?

It doesn't sound right.

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#10

I'm wrong. $100k is yearly.

Since I'm here, can someone qualify the difference between diamond

and platinum?

Not all properties do the DiaD deal, but the long way to diamond is
$100,000 CI at VP.

Diamond offers quite a few bonus perks such as access to the diamond
lounges at most all properties, special lines at resturants and
cashiers, but mostly lots of mail offers for rooms and promo's,
although your particular mileage may vary.

Platinum is not much and is very easy to achieve, I think they raised
it up to $40,000 CI per calander year.

Jim

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