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Imperial Palace

#1

In a message dated 7/11/2003 10:24:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:52:36 -0000
  From: "ted white" <fastandfurious@cox.net>
Subject: Re: LVRJ - EDITORIAL: 'Advantage' gamblers

I have a somewhat related story although not VP. This happened a few
years ago at the Imperial Palace. I witnessed a guy win about $7,000
in an hour playing blackjack. When he went to the cashier's cage to
cash out, two security guys slammed him up against an empty craps
table twisting his arm painfully behind his back.

He screamed for someone to call the police (which I did). They
claimed that the chips he initially used were counterfeit. It was
true that he pulled some black chips out of his pocket to play. It
wasn't until I read this recent article that I wondered about that
episode.

Has anyone else witnessed something similar?

It sounds in character. This is the casino that had a room for Nazi
memorabilia and obersved Hilter's birthday for a couple of years.

The owner, Ralph Engelstad, died last year. He may have been a good man but
the miscues above will always overshadow his record when IP & strong-arm
tactics are mentioned together.

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#2

In a message dated 7/11/2003 10:24:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:52:36 -0000
> From: "ted white" <fastandfurious@...>
> Subject: Re: LVRJ - EDITORIAL: 'Advantage' gamblers
>
> I have a somewhat related story although not VP. This happened

a few

> years ago at the Imperial Palace. I witnessed a guy win about

$7,000

> in an hour playing blackjack. When he went to the cashier's

cage to

> cash out, two security guys slammed him up against an empty

craps

> table twisting his arm painfully behind his back.
>
> He screamed for someone to call the police (which I did). They
> claimed that the chips he initially used were counterfeit. It

was

> true that he pulled some black chips out of his pocket to play.

It

> wasn't until I read this recent article that I wondered about

that

> episode.
>
> Has anyone else witnessed something similar?
>

It sounds in character. This is the casino that had a room for

Nazi

memorabilia and obersved Hilter's birthday for a couple of years.

The owner, Ralph Engelstad, died last year. He may have been a

good man but

the miscues above will always overshadow his record when IP &

strong-arm

tactics are mentioned together.

You know, if this had happened any place other than Nevada, the
guards would have been charged with assault and battery (which they
certainly were guilty of, but in Nevada, casino security guards can
KILL people without fear of prosecution).

What was the outcome? Did they finally release the guy? Did he file
any sort of complaint with anyone--police, Gaming--? (Not that the
effort would have been anything but futile, but....)

As is, has been, and will always be true in Nevada casinos, the
crime that that person committed was WINNING. Thus, in the twisted
world of Nevada, the guards acted properly in assaulting, beating,
and detaining him. The IP and Englestad's Hitler cult, while perhaps
being one of the nuttiest places to have ever existed, weren't and
aren't at all unique in this regard. In fact, I doubt that there
exists a SINGLE casino in Nevada where winning players haven't been
physically attacked by the casino.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:

#3

tralfamidorgooglycrackers:

You know, if this had happened any place other than Nevada, the
guards would have been charged with assault and battery (which they
certainly were guilty of, but in Nevada, casino security guards can
KILL people without fear of prosecution).

in the twisted
world of Nevada, the guards acted properly in assaulting, beating,
and detaining him.

This is quite fanciful and, if it was ever true, its time is long
gone. I know of several people who have won lawsuits against casinos
even for slight and faked physical damage. There's no safer place to
be than in a casino in Nevada.

#4

This is quite fanciful and, if it was ever true, its time is long
gone. I know of several people who have won lawsuits against casinos
even for slight and faked physical damage. There's no safer place to
be than in a casino in Nevada.

Oh, would that this were true. I myself have been assaulted and
detained at least half a dozen times that I can recall, for the
heinous crime of WINNING. Three times at blackjack, and three times at
video poker. I have been cheated by the house on innumerable
occasions, and had my winnings, or a portion thereof, STOLEN OUTRIGHT
in several instances. I have been hauled away from a dollar VP machine
where I had accumulated several thousand credits, and a hour later had
a security guard hand me a cashout that was $1300 short. I've been
slammed against a wall and told to "shut up or we'll kick your face
in" after winning $700 at a $5 blackjack table. And all this happened
quite recently--within the last five years.

#5

tralfamidorgooglycrackers:

I myself have been assaulted and
detained at least half a dozen times that I can recall, for the
heinous crime of WINNING. Three times at blackjack, and three times at
video poker. I have been cheated by the house on innumerable
occasions, and had my winnings, or a portion thereof, STOLEN OUTRIGHT
in several instances. I have been hauled away from a dollar VP machine
where I had accumulated several thousand credits, and a hour later had
a security guard hand me a cashout that was $1300 short. I've been
slammed against a wall and told to "shut up or we'll kick your face
in" after winning $700 at a $5 blackjack table. And all this happened
quite recently--within the last five years.

There HAS to be more to this story or else you've been MUCH more
unlucky than I have. Were you going back to places at which you'd been
86ed? Maybe your crime was trespassing, not winning. How were you
trying to win at the blackjack table? Had they previously asked you
not to do what you were doing? Did you accumulate thousands of credits
on the machine by getting lucky or was there a mistake on it? Did you
call the Gaming Commission about the short cash out? I've been shorted
in slot club points several times and, whenever I've reported it to
the Gaming Commission, they've ruled in my favor and I've collected
the money. When they started talking to you, did you meekly cooperate
or immediately get antagonistic?