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I'm growing weary of losing

#1

Jeeps said:

I know, the gang here will say this is normal loss. One must expect loss like these. I've been playing for years and this loss rate is new to me. Especially @ quarter play. In my opinion, this is a huge unlucky streak. Unprecidented loss, including the old days of $5 Double Joker 3 coin in AC, $1 Bonus progressives in Vegas and the ever favorite extinct $1 FPDW.

Just looking for some input?<<<

I can't really give you any input because I don't play at your level, but I do appreciate your honesty. Most all we hear at VPFREE are the big winnings that people have. Rarely is there any heartache exposed. I guess that is human nature to stay silent about the losses...I have never bought into the "long term play" theory on this board expressed by many. I play a lot of short coin which many people laugh at. I won't be hanging myself if I get a RF on short coin and I also won't ever be losing $22K..I do hope you luck turns around...

GB

#2

I can feel for you jeeps. I am on the longest losing streak ever in my years of playing and I personally am tired of seeing everyone hitting stuff and they are playing stupid things or they have no clue as to how to play. I am frustrated and I don't see many people talking about losing. I have not seen 4 aces in over 6 weeks and it does not matter what game I play. Not even on NSUD. (of course I am not seeing four 2's on that either). hang in there and maybe yours and my luck will suddenly turn around to the "greener side" of the pasture :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, sibercat <glenbob@...> wrote:

Jeeps said:

>>>I know, the gang here will say this is normal loss. One must expect loss like these. I've been playing for years and this loss rate is new to me. Especially @ quarter play. In my opinion, this is a huge unlucky streak. Unprecidented loss, including the old days of $5 Double Joker 3 coin in AC, $1 Bonus progressives in Vegas and the ever favorite extinct $1 FPDW.

Just looking for some input?<<<

I can't really give you any input because I don't play at your level, but I do appreciate your honesty. Most all we hear at VPFREE are the big winnings that people have. Rarely is there any heartache exposed. I guess that is human nature to stay silent about the losses...I have never bought into the "long term play" theory on this board expressed by many. I play a lot of short coin which many people laugh at. I won't be hanging myself if I get a RF on short coin and I also won't ever be losing $22K..I do hope you luck turns around...

GB

#3

GB

Good point. Those who sell the books etc. don't want to mention the losing side. Many of the rest get on the bandwagon. However, I believe long term play does work. Every so often while in losing streak one gets doubts. I have had bad streaks and I question myself. I have asked my wife to actually sit by me and watch my play, wondering if some very bad habit creapt into my playing the game. Thus, once in a while I will practice JOB, FPDW, NSUD or Bonus before going to a jurisdiction where I might be playing these games.

About the only thing left for vp players is comps. If one is real selective on what to play, watch coupons, get a meal and a room once in a while, I think reasonable quarter play will do it. Of course, if your jurisdiction is Nevada, I guess disciplined players can seek out opertunities. I think it's hard work. For rec players we must keep in mind; DON"T SPEND THE RENT $$.

If I were you I would consider not plying short coin. If your playing one or two coins at a quarter, go down to ten cent and play full coin if possible. A dime royal is $400. That's if the dime play doesn't drop pay schedule. A royal at one coin is a good hit because all hits are good. If your playing 4 coins, I think I'd play the extra coin. However, the bottom line is having fun. When I first started playing Vegas IP was a motel. I think I had the most fun playing 5 cent 3 coin progressive mechanical slot machines in Caesars and Holiday Inn. It's all relative. In fact, sometime I think folks who play 5 cent have MORE FUN than those who play at $5 or $10 coin.

Thanks for the turn around wish. I believe good vibes from others help. I'll bet the experts might like that.

Thanks...Jeep

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.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, sibercat <glenbob@...> wrote:

I can't really give you any input because I don't play at your level, but I do appreciate your honesty. Most all we hear at VPFREE are the big winnings that people have. Rarely is there any heartache exposed. I guess that is human nature to stay silent about the losses...I have never bought into the "long term play" theory on this board expressed by many. I play a lot of short coin which many people laugh at. I won't be hanging myself if I get a RF on short coin and I also won't ever be losing $22K..I do hope you luck turns around...

GB

#4

Depends how you define "long term play" and "work". For a fair deal 10/6 DDB with no mistakes, the N0 (one definition of long term) is 42/.001^2 = 42 million hands. Have you played that many hands yet? And even at that point you're still looking at about a 16% chance of losing. And the Kelly Bankroll required for such a game is about 42/.001 = 42,000 bets or $52,500 on five coin quarters. Do you have that kind of bankroll? And the Kelly Bankroll amount is aggressive, you're still exposing yourself to about 10% risk of ruin if you try to play till you're broke (which you shouldn't do with a proper Kelly strategy, under optimum Kelly strategy you should quit this game if your bankroll falls below $52,500).

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@...> wrote:

However, I believe long term play does work.