I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
IGT Video Blackjack Scam?
Don't know much about IGT blackjack but remember the piggy bankin as well as the cherry pie and several other wongable slot machines. Started and ended most VP sessions with a tour of the casino for opps.
I remember Eliot Shapiro showing me a bank of blazing 7's to keep my eye on. How you could look down into some slot machines and read the counters.
Back in the day.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
I wonder how they found out about the glitch.
Oh well, it doesn't really matter. Now that the secret is out, it is only a matter of time before either the machines are pulled or until IGT updates the software. All good things must come to an end, and, while it is sad, I am surprised at just how long this play/glitch was alive.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
Could it be that they are sitting machines with credits still on them, playing one 25cent hand as cover for cashing out, and then leaving?
Just a guess. Can't figure out what else they would be doing.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Hogua" <ckonwin@...> wrote:
I wonder how they found out about the glitch.
Oh well, it doesn't really matter. Now that the secret is out, it is only a matter of time before either the machines are pulled or until IGT updates the software. All good things must come to an end, and, while it is sad, I am surprised at just how long this play/glitch was alive.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
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> I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
>
Could also be that the hands that they find were not completed (i.e. the original player was dealt a 15 and just left).
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bmather4440" <alex.b.logan@...> wrote:
Could it be that they are sitting machines with credits still on them, playing one 25cent hand as cover for cashing out, and then leaving?
Just a guess. Can't figure out what else they would be doing.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Hogua" <ckonwin@> wrote:
>
> I wonder how they found out about the glitch.
>
> Oh well, it doesn't really matter. Now that the secret is out, it is only a matter of time before either the machines are pulled or until IGT updates the software. All good things must come to an end, and, while it is sad, I am surprised at just how long this play/glitch was alive.
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
> >
> > I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
> >
>
There was a stand alone video blackjack game many years ago that banked coins. I haven't seen one in like 15 years. I can't even remember who the manufacturer was....and the only place I ever saw the game was Lake Tahoe. It's been so long I can't remember other details but I think the strategy was if you found banked coins you played one hand then walked. If you won the hand you got paid for winning plus the banked coins. The banked coin meter always reset to zero after one hand so you always walked after one hand. Best I remember that's how it worked.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
I seem to recall an old Video Blackjack machine that banked coins on a push. If someone pushed on their last hand and didn't have any more money or just wasn't aware of the banked coins and walked away, they would remain there available for the next player. I would imagine some of those old machines are still in use somewhere.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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There was a stand alone video blackjack game many years ago that banked coins. I haven't seen one in like 15 years. I can't even remember who the manufacturer was....and the only place I ever saw the game was Lake Tahoe. It's been so long I can't remember other details but I think the strategy was if you found banked coins you played one hand then walked. If you won the hand you got paid for winning plus the banked coins. The banked coin meter always reset to zero after one hand so you always walked after one hand. Best I remember that's how it worked.
That's it, quickquad. Thanks for the memory jog. If you pushed, the bet was banked for the next hand. If you won the next hand you won your bet plus the banked bet but if you lost the machine won the banked bet. Either way the banked bet meter alwasy reset to zero after that next hand. Consequently, one only played one hand when they found a banked bet.
I have no clue what the Asian hustlers found going on with the video BJ in Southern California. But I do know that if I was there I'm damn sure gonna be right over their shoulders figuring out what they are doing.
I used to played the full pay video blackjack in Wendover as a comp runner. The game was in all the bartops in the Rainbow and the Peppermill, plus in many machines out on the casino floor in all three places. The game was on like over 100 machines. It's the only place I ever saw the game on more than a few machines in a casino.so
It's a 100% game if you can nail the absolute correct strategy. But even if you were losing maybe a tenth to bad play, so what when you are running .8% comp. I could bet up to $20 per hand (no double up available) and ran a huge total wager per hour. The BJ got me a total free ride with RFB plus a lot of other extras. I took the earn from the poker rooms and the video poker progressives when they were up.
I imagine the BJ game existed on so many machines in Wendover because of the caliber of play there compared to other places. Sometimes, when I found the casino empty, I would go down the row or the bartops punching the game up to see how the last hand was played. There was a lot of bad play by the public and there was a lot of odd coin betting where the player didn't qualify for 3 to 2 on a blackjack. I never ran more than few thousand dollar wager on any machine at any one time. With TITO it was easy to keep bouncing around.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "quickquadsvp" <quickquads@...> wrote:
I seem to recall an old Video Blackjack machine that banked coins on a push. If someone pushed on their last hand and didn't have any more money or just wasn't aware of the banked coins and walked away, they would remain there available for the next player. I would imagine some of those old machines are still in use somewhere.
Observation bias. The last hand on the machine was often played poorly
because it was a losing, depleting the credit meter. This in no way implies
that the play was uniformly bad.
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "quickquadsvp" <quickquads@...> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall an old Video Blackjack machine that banked coins on a
push. If someone pushed on their last hand and didn't have any more money
or just wasn't aware of the banked coins and walked away, they would remain
there available for the next player. I would imagine some of those old
machines are still in use somewhere.
>
That's it, quickquad. Thanks for the memory jog. If you pushed, the bet
was banked for the next hand. If you won the next hand you won your bet
plus the banked bet but if you lost the machine won the banked bet. Either
way the banked bet meter alwasy reset to zero after that next hand.
Consequently, one only played one hand when they found a banked bet.I have no clue what the Asian hustlers found going on with the video BJ in
Southern California. But I do know that if I was there I'm damn sure gonna
be right over their shoulders figuring out what they are doing.I used to played the full pay video blackjack in Wendover as a comp
runner. The game was in all the bartops in the Rainbow and the Peppermill,
plus in many machines out on the casino floor in all three places. The game
was on like over 100 machines. It's the only place I ever saw the game on
more than a few machines in a casino.soIt's a 100% game if you can nail the absolute correct strategy. But even
if you were losing maybe a tenth to bad play, so what when you are running
.8% comp. I could bet up to $20 per hand (no double up available) and ran a
huge total wager per hour. The BJ got me a total free ride with RFB plus a
lot of other extras. I took the earn from the poker rooms and the video
poker progressives when they were up.I imagine the BJ game existed on so many machines in Wendover because of
the caliber of play there compared to other places. Sometimes, when I found
the casino empty, I would go down the row or the bartops punching the game
up to see how the last hand was played. There was a lot of bad play by the
public and there was a lot of odd coin betting where the player didn't
qualify for 3 to 2 on a blackjack. I never ran more than few thousand
dollar wager on any machine at any one time. With TITO it was easy to keep
bouncing around.
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Why is this a glitch? You bet 10 credits, you push you still have the 10 credits?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "quickquadsvp" <quickquads@> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall an old Video Blackjack machine that banked coins on a push. If someone pushed on their last hand and didn't have any more money or just wasn't aware of the banked coins and walked away, they would remain there available for the next player. I would imagine some of those old machines are still in use somewhere.
>
That's it, quickquad. Thanks for the memory jog. If you pushed, the bet was banked for the next hand. If you won the next hand you won your bet plus the banked bet but if you lost the machine won the banked bet. Either way the banked bet meter alwasy reset to zero after that next hand. Consequently, one only played one hand when they found a banked bet.I have no clue what the Asian hustlers found going on with the video BJ in Southern California. But I do know that if I was there I'm damn sure gonna be right over their shoulders figuring out what they are doing.
I used to played the full pay video blackjack in Wendover as a comp runner. The game was in all the bartops in the Rainbow and the Peppermill, plus in many machines out on the casino floor in all three places. The game was on like over 100 machines. It's the only place I ever saw the game on more than a few machines in a casino.so
It's a 100% game if you can nail the absolute correct strategy. But even if you were losing maybe a tenth to bad play, so what when you are running .8% comp. I could bet up to $20 per hand (no double up available) and ran a huge total wager per hour. The BJ got me a total free ride with RFB plus a lot of other extras. I took the earn from the poker rooms and the video poker progressives when they were up.
I imagine the BJ game existed on so many machines in Wendover because of the caliber of play there compared to other places. Sometimes, when I found the casino empty, I would go down the row or the bartops punching the game up to see how the last hand was played. There was a lot of bad play by the public and there was a lot of odd coin betting where the player didn't qualify for 3 to 2 on a blackjack. I never ran more than few thousand dollar wager on any machine at any one time. With TITO it was easy to keep bouncing around.
Jason,
I don't understand your comment. Why would the last hand on a machine be played any differently than the previous hands on that machine ( if it played by the same player?). Are you saying that people play worse on their last hand than they do on their previous hands?
And why are you assuming that the last hand was a losing hand?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@...> wrote:
Observation bias. The last hand on the machine was often played poorly because it was a losing, depleting the credit meter. This in no way impliesthat the play was uniformly bad.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Mickey <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "quickquadsvp" <quickquads@> wrote:
> >
> > I seem to recall an old Video Blackjack machine that banked coins on a
> push. If someone pushed on their last hand and didn't have any more money
> or just wasn't aware of the banked coins and walked away, they would remain
> there available for the next player. I would imagine some of those old
> machines are still in use somewhere.
> >
> That's it, quickquad. Thanks for the memory jog. If you pushed, the bet
> was banked for the next hand. If you won the next hand you won your bet
> plus the banked bet but if you lost the machine won the banked bet. Either
> way the banked bet meter alwasy reset to zero after that next hand.
> Consequently, one only played one hand when they found a banked bet.
>
> I have no clue what the Asian hustlers found going on with the video BJ in
> Southern California. But I do know that if I was there I'm damn sure gonna
> be right over their shoulders figuring out what they are doing.
>
> I used to played the full pay video blackjack in Wendover as a comp
> runner. The game was in all the bartops in the Rainbow and the Peppermill,
> plus in many machines out on the casino floor in all three places. The game
> was on like over 100 machines. It's the only place I ever saw the game on
> more than a few machines in a casino.so
>
> It's a 100% game if you can nail the absolute correct strategy. But even
> if you were losing maybe a tenth to bad play, so what when you are running
> .8% comp. I could bet up to $20 per hand (no double up available) and ran a
> huge total wager per hour. The BJ got me a total free ride with RFB plus a
> lot of other extras. I took the earn from the poker rooms and the video
> poker progressives when they were up.
>
> I imagine the BJ game existed on so many machines in Wendover because of
> the caliber of play there compared to other places. Sometimes, when I found
> the casino empty, I would go down the row or the bartops punching the game
> up to see how the last hand was played. There was a lot of bad play by the
> public and there was a lot of odd coin betting where the player didn't
> qualify for 3 to 2 on a blackjack. I never ran more than few thousand
> dollar wager on any machine at any one time. With TITO it was easy to keep
> bouncing around.
>
>
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I don't know exactly what you mean by this but when I see a hand where the player stood on a 2-card 15 against a dealer 8, or failed to hit a 2-card 12 against a dealer 2....well, it's not the way I play those hands. And these kind of mistakes, no matter if they are only made by a few or by many, give the house a bigger overall edge than is intrinsic to the game.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@...> wrote:
Observation bias. The last hand on the machine was often played poorly
because it was a losing, depleting the credit meter. This in no way implies
that the play was uniformly bad.
It wasn't a glitch. It was the way the game was played. It was a very bad pay game. If you pushed you didn't get your coins back. They got banked and you had to win the next hand to get them back.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:
Why is this a glitch? You bet 10 credits, you push you still have the 10 credits?