Link to the article:
http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/content/lies-fbi-tells-10590
I. Nelson Rose - Lies the FBI Tells
All this piece depicts is an opinion, and when it's Joe Gambler going up against the FBI with an opinion in his pocket, I know who I'm betting on.
People who gamble on the Internet right now just don't get it. If you do anything other than sports betting there's a very good chance the games are rigged. And as soon a I say that I can hear all the bettors saying the usual: "No Way! Why would they put themselves in a position to lose players?" Yeah right--like they're really gonna make it that obvious.
Besides, the whole issue's a mess now and people should have patience. As soon as the US Gov't figures out a way to get their slice by taxing all the slackers who never report their gambling income and losses, it'll be legal.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
Link to the article:
http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/content/lies-fbi-tells-10590
These seem to be solid facts based on enacted laws and case law:
"Since the law was enacted 50 years ago, there have been only one or two attempts to charge players under the Wire Act. The charges were thrown out. Courts have ruled the Act means exactly what it says: If you are not in the business of gambling, you cannot be violating this law. The other statutes listed by the FBI even more clearly fail to apply to mere bettors. In fact, �Broadcasting lottery information,� doesn�t even directly apply to gambling operators. It is limited to TV and radio broadcasters. There is no way this law could be used against someone who is merely making bets using the Internet. Incidentally, courts have held that sports books do not violate this and other federal anti-lottery laws. �Lottery,� under federal law, is limited to games that are 100 percent chance."
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On 8/25/2011 2:15 PM, rob.singer1111 wrote:
All this piece depicts is an opinion, and when it's Joe Gambler going up against the FBI with an opinion in his pocket, I know who I'm betting on.
In my ten years of experience with online poker, the games at the major
sites are not rigged. At least they aren't rigged in any way that
A. is detectable by standard statistical analysis of millions of played
hands
B. prevents one from winning oodles of money by playing well
Of course a number of these sites have at this point a quite checkered
history of being able to meet their financial obligations under duress, but
that's another story.
Ed
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:15 AM, rob.singer1111 <rob.singer1111@yahoo.com>wrote:
**
All this piece depicts is an opinion, and when it's Joe Gambler going up
against the FBI with an opinion in his pocket, I know who I'm betting on.People who gamble on the Internet right now just don't get it. If you do
anything other than sports betting there's a very good chance the games are
rigged. And as soon a I say that I can hear all the bettors saying the
usual: "No Way! Why would they put themselves in a position to lose
players?" Yeah right--like they're really gonna make it that obvious.Besides, the whole issue's a mess now and people should have patience. As
soon as the US Gov't figures out a way to get their slice by taxing all the
slackers who never report their gambling income and losses, it'll be legal.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
> Link to the article:
>
> http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/content/lies-fbi-tells-10590
>
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Since you're not playing against the casino in poker then rigging usually wouldn't be at the source. Perhaps that's why paying out have been an issue at some sites.
I've seen several online poker set-ups that have multiple ISP's coming in and a bunch of players who know what each other has, they discuss what to do, etc. In other words, they cheat the others on the site when they can, and they say they are not conspicuous.
There's so many opportunities to be cheated online with zero recourse.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
In my ten years of experience with online poker, the games at the major
sites are not rigged. At least they aren't rigged in any way thatA. is detectable by standard statistical analysis of millions of played
hands
B. prevents one from winning oodles of money by playing wellOf course a number of these sites have at this point a quite checkered
history of being able to meet their financial obligations under duress, but
that's another story.Ed
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:15 AM, rob.singer1111 > <rob.singer1111@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> All this piece depicts is an opinion, and when it's Joe Gambler going up
> against the FBI with an opinion in his pocket, I know who I'm betting on.
>
> People who gamble on the Internet right now just don't get it. If you do
> anything other than sports betting there's a very good chance the games are
> rigged. And as soon a I say that I can hear all the bettors saying the
> usual: "No Way! Why would they put themselves in a position to lose
> players?" Yeah right--like they're really gonna make it that obvious.
>
> Besides, the whole issue's a mess now and people should have patience. As
> soon as the US Gov't figures out a way to get their slice by taxing all the
> slackers who never report their gambling income and losses, it'll be legal.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> >
> > Link to the article:
> >
> > http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/content/lies-fbi-tells-10590
> >
>
>
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Of course there were (are) many cheaters in online poker, but that never stopped skillful players from making big money...or stop mediocre players like myself from having an easy part time job after work and on the weekends. A little common sense goes a long way, it was no different than live, you got to know these players when you played the same kinds of games every day. I seriously doubt I was getting cheated all that much anyway playing small stakes turbos and hypers. Cash games was the big hang out for the crooks and the bots.I held about a 20% roi for 3 years and I was far from a top player so
I never sweated if I got taken a few times.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
Since you're not playing against the casino in poker then rigging usually wouldn't be at the source. Perhaps that's why paying out have been an issue at some sites.
I've seen several online poker set-ups that have multiple ISP's coming in and a bunch of players who know what each other has, they discuss what to do, etc. In other words, they cheat the others on the site when they can, and they say they are not conspicuous.
There's so many opportunities to be cheated online with zero recourse.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@> wrote:
>
> In my ten years of experience with online poker, the games at the major
> sites are not rigged. At least they aren't rigged in any way that
>
> A. is detectable by standard statistical analysis of millions of played
> hands
> B. prevents one from winning oodles of money by playing well
>
> Of course a number of these sites have at this point a quite checkered
> history of being able to meet their financial obligations under duress, but
> that's another story.
>
> Ed
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:15 AM, rob.singer1111 > > <rob.singer1111@>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > All this piece depicts is an opinion, and when it's Joe Gambler going up
> > against the FBI with an opinion in his pocket, I know who I'm betting on.
> >
> > People who gamble on the Internet right now just don't get it. If you do
> > anything other than sports betting there's a very good chance the games are
> > rigged. And as soon a I say that I can hear all the bettors saying the
> > usual: "No Way! Why would they put themselves in a position to lose
> > players?" Yeah right--like they're really gonna make it that obvious.
> >
> > Besides, the whole issue's a mess now and people should have patience. As
> > soon as the US Gov't figures out a way to get their slice by taxing all the
> > slackers who never report their gambling income and losses, it'll be legal.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Link to the article:
> > >
> > > http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/content/lies-fbi-tells-10590
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>