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Liz

anyone in Missouri may want to be careful about having the wrong card
in, I have been told firsthand, (but did not see this) that a couple
had been playing at the same machine, his card was in, he got up to go
to the restroom and she hit a taxable, it took them something like 2-4
hours to get thier money because the wrong card was in the machine,
they did finally get the money. It has to do with MO having the $500
buy in every two hours (pain in the butt, and useless against problem
gambling) and they dont want people using other peoples cards. Jim

Oh, didn't know that. What's $500. buy in every two hours mean exactly?

Liz

Oh, didn't know that. What's $500. buy in every two hours mean exactly?

Liz

Missouri has a long and convoluted history of its gambling. When the
state first approved gambling, it was for river boats only and they
had to physically cruise the rivers (Missouri and Mississippi).
Gamblers had to purchase tickets for a cruise and couldn't gamble
until the boat was underway. The cruises were for 2 hours, the boat
docked, passengers got off and new passengers got on. If you wanted
to go again you had to purchase another ticket. Early on this was not
possible as gamblers had to make reservations well ahead of time to
buy a ticket. These early versions were only allowed to offer games
of skill (Video Poker and Black Jack) and no games of chance (slot
machines, roulette, etc.). The state set a loss limit of $500 per
cruise (2 hours).

One day someone pointed out to the state they didn't have adequate
rescue equipment to take care of the passengers if one of the boats
ran into trouble while on a cruise. They relented and stopped making
the boats physically cruise on the water and thus gave way to the
'boat in a moat' concept we have today. The last true river boat went
away when Argosy opened their new casino a few months ago.

Even though the "boats" no longer cruised, the buy-a-ticket-and-board
concept lingered on. Then competition set in and first one then
another stopped charging admission -- the casinos still have to pay a
head tax on every "passenger" though. "Passengers" could only "board"
for 45 minutes every 2 hours. When Station (now Ameristar) built
their casino, they got around this absurd requirement by building two
identical "boats" that were mirror images of each other. One
"boarded" on the even hours and the other "boarded" on the odd hours.
Now the longest wait to enter one of their casinos was 15 minutes.
If you ever see this casino a "boat" will be the farthest thing from
your mind, it doesn't resemble a boat by any stretch of the imagination.

The casino lobby is strong and with support of the Missouri Gaming
Commission these silly rules and restrictions have gradually been
lifted. The $500 loss limit per 2 hour 'cruise' is still in effect
but just about everything else is like a normal casino. This loss
limit is controlled through slot cards. Everyone entering a casino
must have a slot card and use it to load a VP or slot machine or buy
in at a table game. A central computer keeps track of the money
gambled and resets to $500 on the even hours. It will not carry over
unused allotments from one session to the next, the only way to do
this is with chips, tokens, or TITO tickets. Machines will not accept
real coins (tokens only) but will accept bills.

This is probably more than you wanted to know but I got carried away.
Sorry.

So first thing on entering a Missouri casino is head for the slot
booth and get a card, you can't get in without one. Your existing
Harrah's card will work so take it along. The cards must have your
signature on the back and you are not allowed to use anyone else's
card (but we do). :wink:

Rick

. The last true river boat went

away when Argosy opened their new casino a few months ago.

Rick

When I made the above statement in an earlier post I was speaking for
the Kansas City casinos. I don't know what is available in other
areas of the state.

Rick

It means our state politicians are idiots.

carlos

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Elizabeth <mslizrn@dejazzd.com> wrote:
[etc}....Oh, didn't know that. What's $500 buy in every two hours mean exactly?

Liz

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Excellent synopsis, Rick.

One eentsie clarification about the Harrah's card: As Rick has pointed out, you must sign the back of your card to use it in MO. Those of you who got your Harrah's cards at a non-MO property know there isn't even a signature strip on the back. The card I got from Las Vegas Harrah's didn't have one. I used it for FOUR MONTHS at KC Harrah's and no one cared. At STL Harrah's (their motto, "How Can We Annoy You Today?") I was stopped at the turnstile and told to get a new card. No, signing the Las Vegas card right then any old place on the back wasn't allowed. I had to go to the booth, wait in line for 10 minutes, and get a new "Missouri" Harrah's card and sign it.

carlos

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Rick & Lucky Lucy <luckylucy39@earthlink.net> wrote:

Oh, didn't know that. What's $500. buy in every two hours mean exactly?

Liz

Missouri has a long and convoluted history of its gambling...[etc].

[etc]...Your existing Harrah's card will work so take it along. The cards must have your signature on the back and you are not allowed to use anyone else's
card (but we do). :wink:

Rick

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I believe the following MO casinos are still actual riverboats:

President Casino in St. Louis
Frontier Casino in St. Joseph
Casino Aztar in Caruthersville
Mark Twain Casino in La Grange

I'm not 100% sure about the last two. It's been many years since my one and only visit to the Aztar (I remember not being impressed, but no details) and I've never been to the Mark Twain.

carlos

. The last true river boat went

away when Argosy opened their new casino a few months ago.

Rick

When I made the above statement in an earlier post I was speaking for
the Kansas City casinos. I don't know what is available in other
areas of the state.

Rick

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Rick & Lucky Lucy <luckylucy39@earthlink.net> wrote:

Don't know about the others, but a few years ago the Frontier in St
Joseph moved a couple miles up river and built a "boat in a moat".
Pretty decent casino but not much in VP.

Rick

I believe the following MO casinos are still actual riverboats:

President Casino in St. Louis
Frontier Casino in St. Joseph
Casino Aztar in Caruthersville
Mark Twain Casino in La Grange

I'm not 100% sure about the last two. It's been many years since my

one and only visit to the Aztar (I remember not being impressed, but
no details) and I've never been to the Mark Twain.

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carlos

Rick & Lucky Lucy <luckylucy39@e...> wrote:

. The last true river boat went
> away when Argosy opened their new casino a few months ago.
>

> Rick

When I made the above statement in an earlier post I was speaking for
the Kansas City casinos. I don't know what is available in other
areas of the state.

Rick

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In Missouri you are required to have a Player's card and you have to
have it in the machine to insert money (buy in) and you are limited to
only a $500 buy in every 2 hours (either 2p to 4p or 1p to 3p) then in
the next 2 hours you can buy in again. With TITO you can 'work' with
the system by buying in $400 as soon as you enter the casino. this
allows you to move around and just cash out your ticket and put it in
another machine, then about 5 min before the end of the buy in period,
insert the last $100 but dont change machines untill the next period
has started, then you can buy in another $400 and still move around
during that 2 hour period. Quite a pain in the butt, but somewhat
livable until Missouri gets there act together. You can carry around
cash out tickets for any amount and use them later and it does not
count against your $500 buy in.

Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth" <mslizrn@d...> wrote:

> Liz

anyone in Missouri may want to be careful about having the wrong card
in, I have been told firsthand, (but did not see this) that a couple
had been playing at the same machine, his card was in, he got up to go
to the restroom and she hit a taxable, it took them something like 2-4
hours to get thier money because the wrong card was in the machine,
they did finally get the money. It has to do with MO having the $500
buy in every two hours (pain in the butt, and useless against problem
gambling) and they dont want people using other peoples cards. Jim

Oh, didn't know that. What's $500. buy in every two hours mean exactly?

Liz

When my wife and I were in Missouri, we entered the casino, each
bought $500 in Black Chips, looked at the inventory but did not play.
When we were ready to play, (on another "cruise"), we again bought in
for $500 and we still had the previous chips in hand. At one point,
as we did not cash out, we had over 15 black chips each, etc and had
no problems re: the $500 per cuise limit.
Fortunately, she hit a $10,000+ royal and we did not need the
reserves.

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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 05:03:25 -0000, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth" <mslizrn@d...> wrote:

> Liz

anyone in Missouri may want to be careful about having the wrong card
in, I have been told firsthand, (but did not see this) that a couple
had been playing at the same machine, his card was in, he got up to go
to the restroom and she hit a taxable, it took them something like 2-4
hours to get thier money because the wrong card was in the machine,
they did finally get the money. It has to do with MO having the $500
buy in every two hours (pain in the butt, and useless against problem
gambling) and they dont want people using other peoples cards. Jim

Oh, didn't know that. What's $500. buy in every two hours mean exactly?

Liz

In Missouri you are required to have a Player's card and you have to
have it in the machine to insert money (buy in) and you are limited to
only a $500 buy in every 2 hours (either 2p to 4p or 1p to 3p) then in
the next 2 hours you can buy in again. With TITO you can 'work' with
the system by buying in $400 as soon as you enter the casino. this
allows you to move around and just cash out your ticket and put it in
another machine, then about 5 min before the end of the buy in period,
insert the last $100 but dont change machines untill the next period
has started, then you can buy in another $400 and still move around
during that 2 hour period. Quite a pain in the butt, but somewhat
livable until Missouri gets there act together. You can carry around
cash out tickets for any amount and use them later and it does not
count against your $500 buy in.

Jim

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