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I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

#1

The main reason I like to play fast is because it increases my EV per hour. (I include in EV everything of value that results from my play - theoretical vp payback + promotions + multipliers + bounce back + slot club benefits.)

Secondarily it makes playing vp more entertaining/less boring. Playing slowly on a slow machine especially multi-line can get boring.

However, I don't want to play so fast that it attracts unwanted attention from casino personnel.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Wilens <jeff@...> wrote:

Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.

But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?

I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?

#2

Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?

Pointer Sisters lyrics apply to VP?:
"I want a man with a slow hand
I want a lover with an easy touch
I want somebody who will spend some time
Not come and go in a heated rush
I want somebody who will understand
When it comes to love, I want a slow hand"

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "H. F." <sector7up2@...> wrote:

The main reason I like to play fast is because it increases my EV per hour. (I include in EV everything of value that results from my play - theoretical vp payback + promotions + multipliers + bounce back + slot club benefits.)

Secondarily it makes playing vp more entertaining/less boring. Playing slowly on a slow machine especially multi-line can get boring.

However, I don't want to play so fast that it attracts unwanted attention from casino personnel.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Wilens <jeff@> wrote:
>
> Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?
>
> I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.
>
> But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?
>
> I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.
>
> How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?

#3

Bounceback is fixed so don't think it should be included in your calculation unless you got so much your running out of time.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "H. F." <sector7up2@...> wrote:

The main reason I like to play fast is because it increases my EV per hour. (I include in EV everything of value that results from my play - theoretical vp payback + promotions + multipliers + bounce back + slot club benefits.)

Secondarily it makes playing vp more entertaining/less boring. Playing slowly on a slow machine especially multi-line can get boring.

However, I don't want to play so fast that it attracts unwanted attention from casino personnel.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Wilens <jeff@> wrote:
>
> Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?
>
> I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.
>
> But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?
>
> I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.
>
> How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?

#4

Of course you want to play fast when your machine is hot, otherwise it is possible that it will go cold. Flush attach and linked progressives are the extreme examples. Casinos want you to play fast because you make more mistakes and they get more vig, plus you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look. The main reason to play slow is to hustle free drinks or if you're getting credit for time on the machine, like Harrah's used to do (I think they stopped that practice however). Slow playing is mostly a table games trick, it's hard to fool a card reader into thinking you've played faster than you really have.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

Bounceback is fixed so don't think it should be included in your calculation unless you got so much your running out of time.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "H. F." <sector7up2@> wrote:
>
> The main reason I like to play fast is because it increases my EV per hour. (I include in EV everything of value that results from my play - theoretical vp payback + promotions + multipliers + bounce back + slot club benefits.)
> �
> Secondarily it makes playing vp more entertaining/less boring. Playing slowly on a slow machine especially multi-line can get boring.
>
> However, I don't want to play so fast that it attracts unwanted attention from casino personnel.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Wilens <jeff@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?
> >
> > I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.
> >
> > But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour?�� Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?
> >
> > I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks.�� Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.
> >
> > How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph?�� Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?
>

#5

Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
"...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."

None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.

you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

#6

Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:

www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry

http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
"...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."

None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.

>

#7

Here's the basic idea to get the party started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdSArUWt0fo

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:

www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry

http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
>
> Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
> "...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
> 2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
> 3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
> 4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."
>
> None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.
>
> >
>

#8

Interesting article on "The Kid". Thanks for sharing.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:34:21 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

Here's the basic idea to get the party started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdSArUWt0fo

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:

www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry

http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
>
> Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
> "...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
> 2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
> 3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
> 4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."
>
> None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.
>
> >
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#9

Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:
www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry
http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
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O.K. NOFG2000,
Thanks for the tweak leads and the article on ungar.
Nice. Won't spoil the fun for others on the tweaker mystery hunt.
The links you provided re Stu Ungar was excellent.

From what I gleaned, hospitality workers got 2 strikes against them. Adding gambling to the mix and do the math. Or is it gambling workers and then add hospitality.

This deserves more discussion on the board. I was in Laughlin 2 weeks ago and we were on the floor about 5 in the morning. There was a tweaker nodding-off at slot machine. Weighed all of 70 lbs. She was in late 20's/30's. One of our favorite hospitality workers was not happy:
"That girl over there. She keeps falling asleep"

Thought came to me, maybe the worker wanted me to complain to suit.
But looking back, it wasn't worker was not happy but rather very sad.

Laughlin/Bullhead has meth problem. Billboards all over. Police log...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

Try it out and see if your offers improve. Tweaking is common in the hospitality industry:

www.google.com/search?q=substance+abuse+in+the+hospitality+industry

http://www.ajlmagazine.com/content/052006/ungar.html

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
>
> Tweaker defined at urbandictionary.com
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tweaker
> "...1. Person who constantly stays up cleaning, washing, organizing, powertooling, sorting or otherwise keeping themself busy doing menial tasks.
> 2. Someone who constantly makes slight alterations on (usually a very specific) object, i.e. computer, software, automobile, etc.
> 3. A compulsive liar, thief, or both.
> 4. A methamphetamine ("tweak"), or other form of speed, addict (who displays all of the above in an obsessive-compulsive manner)..."
>
> None seem to fit description type of customer casinos want.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> you look like a tweaker and casinos like the tweaker look.
>
> >
>

#10

What? Hot and cold machines? You must be jesting!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

Of course you want to play fast when your machine is hot, otherwise it is possible that it will go cold.

#11

Yes, which brings up the topic of problems with pseudo random number generators. I notice the Wizard has switched to the Mersenne Twister, perhaps he'd care to comment on that choice:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/loss-rebate/

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aprvp78748" <roaches@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
>
> Of course you want to play fast when your machine is hot, otherwise it is possible that it will go cold.

What? Hot and cold machines? You must be jesting!