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I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

#1

Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.

But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?

I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?

Lakeshore Law Center
Jeffrey Wilens, Esq.
18340 Yorba Linda Blvd.
No. 107-610
Yorba Linda, CA 92886

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#2

I believe in the story of the old bull and the young bull standing on the hill.
The young bull says, "Hey pop why don't we run down there and nail a couple of them cows?"
The old bull replies, "Son, we are gonna walk down there and nail all of them."
Fast is not always better.

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From: Jeffrey Wilens <jeff@lakeshorelaw.org>
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style
  

Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.

But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?

I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?

Lakeshore Law Center
Jeffrey Wilens, Esq.
18340 Yorba Linda Blvd.
No. 107-610
Yorba Linda, CA 92886

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#3

Can anybody verify the news report I saw that said there was standing water in CP? I find that hard to believe.

#4

I heard part of the Mirage roof over the casino collapsed and Gillies (not
sure where that it) had a drainage pipe bust causing a flood, nothing about
CP. 71 mph winds were reported at Nellis AFB and over 70K people had no
power

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Pat. Mccauley
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:10 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Anybody at Caesars during storm

Can anybody verify the news report I saw that said there was standing water
in CP? I find that hard to believe.

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#5

Can anybody verify the news report I saw that said there was standing water in CP? I find that hard to believe.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Pat. Mccauley" <kypat@...> wrote:

Seeing is believing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w3_KVf9SLNM

#6

Just back from dinner there, and they must have done an amazing clean up. I saw that footage on the news, but could not see any sign of the flood this evening.

My flight was arriving just after the storm hit, and they said we couldn't land for 30 minutes....but we didn't have enough fuel to circle that long. So they flew us to Ontario, CA....a 48 minute flight. Hmmmmmm.....airline math!
Apparently, we were one of many such flights because the airport was out of fuel, so we sat and waited for more trucks to arrive.

Local news did show the flood at Gilleys also...located in TI. Tons of other local damage.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "staninnv" <staninnv@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Pat. Mccauley" <kypat@> wrote:
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> Can anybody verify the news report I saw that said there was standing water in CP? I find that hard to believe.

Seeing is believing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w3_KVf9SLNM

#7

I just got back from fishing and camping up on the Marias River. Have you ever eaten Walleye? Best tasting fish ever. While I was gone some idiot cracked my Yahoo account and hijacked my whole contact list. I had several vpFREE'ers in my contact list. I'm not the brightest bulb in the room when it comes to computers. I'm not worried about my own ass. But I deleted you all from my contact list for your own protection.

Big storm is Vegas? Have any of you read the book "Beneath the Neon, Life and Death in the Tunnels of Las Vegas?"

#8

I just talked with a friend of mine in Vegas and he was telling me how the winds were 70 mph and there was flooding. The power was out in his apartment and it was like 90 degrees in there at 3:00 in the morning. And I think that fire is still going on outside of town. Every time there's a storm in Vegas I think about the people "beneath the neon". That's some crazy shit, man. My thoughts are you could die down there, or get killed, and no one ever knows about it. And spiders, I hate spiders, especially black widow spiders. That would freak me out to be in those tunnels. And what happens when the flood comes? I don't wanna think about it.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

I just got back from fishing and camping up on the Marias River. Have you ever eaten Walleye? Best tasting fish ever. While I was gone some idiot cracked my Yahoo account and hijacked my whole contact list. I had several vpFREE'ers in my contact list. I'm not the brightest bulb in the room when it comes to computers. I'm not worried about my own ass. But I deleted you all from my contact list for your own protection.

Big storm is Vegas? Have any of you read the book "Beneath the Neon, Life and Death in the Tunnels of Las Vegas?"

#9

Jeffrey Wilens wrote:

Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed,
like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or
is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in
favor of slow and easy?

I can understand that when someone writes of playing 1000 hph (or even 1200 hph) it can seem as if they must be painfully pushing for high speed play.

But I hope that it's common sense that an active recreational player who play 400 or 500 hours a year, for 10+ years, will only find that play at faster speeds comes as a matter of ease. Frankly, vp play isn't rocket science and you only have so many choices for any given hand.

I observe that most practiced players manage at least 800 hph, even while carrying on an active conversation with the player next to them. Discipline will ensure that play is accurate, even with modest distractions.

Advancing play to above 900 hph does take added discipline not to permit distractions to cause frequent interruptions to play. But with decent hand coordination, we're still not talking lightning speed play.

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Speaking for myself, my "casual" speed is approx 1000-1100 hph. This is a speed I maintain naturally and comfortably ... relaxing with a soft drink and often carrying on light conversation.

The only "push" involved in maintaining such speed is that necessary to maintain rigid attention to the cards (hopefully without exception) and not allow myself to be distracted. That said, it's my experience that such a "push" is necessary at most any speed.

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There are occasions where my play time is tight. Typically, I have a fixed play goal before I walk onto the casino floor. When time is constrained, I can be motivated to push my speed.

At such times, I tend to hold myself to a fast beat in my head (as one might during fast paced exercise reps). I keep conversation to a minimum. This isn't my preferred play pace, but with appropriate motivation I don't find it uncomfortable (at times it can be a little exhilarating).

Given a reasonably paced machine, I can manage 1200-1300 hph for extended periods. But it goes without question (at least in my case) that a couple of hand errors an hour is the norm during such play, and as such, it's not the most desirable pace.

The fastest machine I play occasionally is a triple play machine with extraordinarily fast speed and crisp, accurate keys. When I want to push play, it's not uncommon for me to record over 1400 plays/hr.

#10

I can only play 200 hands an hour. I'm 52 and suffer from carpel tunnel syndrome. I'm college educated and don't think I could process info at a rate of 800 per hour.
I also think the faster you play, the more likely you can injure your hands and fingers.

James Thompson
former HRH Casino Monitor

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: harry.porter@verizon.net
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:40:45 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

      Jeffrey Wilens wrote:

Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed,

like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or

is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in

favor of slow and easy?

I can understand that when someone writes of playing 1000 hph (or even 1200 hph) it can seem as if they must be painfully pushing for high speed play.

But I hope that it's common sense that an active recreational player who play 400 or 500 hours a year, for 10+ years, will only find that play at faster speeds comes as a matter of ease. Frankly, vp play isn't rocket science and you only have so many choices for any given hand.

I observe that most practiced players manage at least 800 hph, even while carrying on an active conversation with the player next to them. Discipline will ensure that play is accurate, even with modest distractions.

Advancing play to above 900 hph does take added discipline not to permit distractions to cause frequent interruptions to play. But with decent hand coordination, we're still not talking lightning speed play.

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Speaking for myself, my "casual" speed is approx 1000-1100 hph. This is a speed I maintain naturally and comfortably ... relaxing with a soft drink and often carrying on light conversation.

The only "push" involved in maintaining such speed is that necessary to maintain rigid attention to the cards (hopefully without exception) and not allow myself to be distracted. That said, it's my experience that such a "push" is necessary at most any speed.

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There are occasions where my play time is tight. Typically, I have a fixed play goal before I walk onto the casino floor. When time is constrained, I can be motivated to push my speed.

At such times, I tend to hold myself to a fast beat in my head (as one might during fast paced exercise reps). I keep conversation to a minimum. This isn't my preferred play pace, but with appropriate motivation I don't find it uncomfortable (at times it can be a little exhilarating).

Given a reasonably paced machine, I can manage 1200-1300 hph for extended periods. But it goes without question (at least in my case) that a couple of hand errors an hour is the norm during such play, and as such, it's not the most desirable pace.

The fastest machine I play occasionally is a triple play machine with extraordinarily fast speed and crisp, accurate keys. When I want to push play, it's not uncommon for me to record over 1400 plays/hr.

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#11

When you play on a regular basis, you may find that the hard
thing to do would be to try to play slower.

I play fast. Its my natural, comfortable pace.

QZ

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Wilens <jeff@...> wrote:

Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.

But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?

I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy?

Lakeshore Law Center
Jeffrey Wilens, Esq.
18340 Yorba Linda Blvd.
No. 107-610
Yorba Linda, CA 92886

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#12

On a fast machine, I can play between 3 and 4000 hands per hour.

Bob Dancer will agree.

Brad
Amarillo

#13

Brad wrote: On a fast machine, I can play between 3 and 4000 hands per hour.

Bob Dancer will agree.

I do agree. I can't play as fast as Brad. I can only play between four and five thousand hands per hour.

Bob

BB

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#14

Jeffrey Wilens writes:

<< Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.

But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?

I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy? >>

Frankly, it's a little surprising to me to see this kind of message from someone frequenting VPFree. I expect that most of us play VP only if we think we can get an advantage from it. That could be monetary profit, or it could be only earning free rooms and meals. These days, the monetary advantage doesn't solely or even usually lie in the base expectation of whatever game one is playing. To me, the "fun" of VP lasts half an hour, maybe. After, that, I just want to get through it as quickly as possible.

If you're playing with an advantage, then you want to be able to play as fast as possible, to get as much coin in as possible during the time you have available. Or if you're aiming for some target amount of coin in, you want to get it done in as little time as possible, and get on with life.

#15

I try to play at a comfortable, and accurate speed. I also am social with like minded people. I learned a lot from these visits with local people about the latest comps and other info.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: wrx144@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:44:15 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

Jeffrey Wilens writes:

<< Can anyone explain the logic of trying to play VP at warp speed, like an assembly line machine (to mix metaphors)?

I realize if you have an advantage machine and if you are really good, and if you play really fast with accuracy, in a fixed period of time your wage (dollars per hour) might be higher.

But it's hard to find advantage machines, and usually they are 25 cent, so what are we talking about $10/hour? Wouldn't McDonald's or a retail store be an easier way to earn $10/hour?

I also appreciate you can earn the "perks" by churning more money through quicker, but if you go at the rights time, or are the right demographic, it seems Vegas at least has lots of perks. Just going on a Sunday night rather than a Saturday could save $50 to $100 depending on where you are staying for the same room.

How "fun" is it to actually play at that 500, 800, 1,000+ hph? Or is just about bragging rights? Is anyone else on this forum in favor of slow and easy? >>

Frankly, it's a little surprising to me to see this kind of message from someone frequenting VPFree. I expect that most of us play VP only if we think we can get an advantage from it. That could be monetary profit, or it could be only earning free rooms and meals. These days, the monetary advantage doesn't solely or even usually lie in the base expectation of whatever game one is playing. To me, the "fun" of VP lasts half an hour, maybe. After, that, I just want to get through it as quickly as possible.

If you're playing with an advantage, then you want to be able to play as fast as possible, to get as much coin in as possible during the time you have available. Or if you're aiming for some target amount of coin in, you want to get it done in as little time as possible, and get on with life.

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#16

That is a pretty broad range. I do not see the point of claiming to be able to play between 3 and 4,000 hands per hour. It seems that, at times, you play very, very slowly and at other times you play very, very fast, while allowing anything in between.

You have to admit that playing 3 hands per hour is very, very slow.

<smile> Yes, I know that I am being sarcastic, but I thought it was, perhaps, time for a bit of levity on this subject. Why not just play at a rate that YOU are comfortable with?

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bradr19" <briffel@...> wrote:

On a fast machine, I can play between 3 and 4000 hands per hour.

Brad
Amarillo