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I was scouting a local casino and found a db 965 with the royal set at $8,000.00, It DOES have a double down feature, but on the glass it says $8,000.00. If you punch in "see pays" it says five coins, at the one dollar level, pays $8,000.00. I punched the pays into wp and it said it returns 100.094. You get NO slot points at this casino. Is this worth playing? If you did hit the royal, would they pay off the full amount? This is a first to me..Rod

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Doesn't necessarily sound like a "mistake", maybe they just set up a decent paytable. With no slot points, it's essentially a break-even play. That is, if you learn how to play 965DB with a double royal correctly.

Too bad it's not a progressive that re-sets at $8K. Then you'd have something.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vprod618@...> wrote :

I was scouting a local casino and found a db 965 with the royal set at $8,000.00, It DOES have a double down feature, but on the glass it says $8,000.00. If you punch in "see pays" it says five coins, at the one dollar level, pays $8,000.00. I punched the pays into wp and it said it returns 100.094. You get NO slot points at this casino. Is this worth playing? If you did hit the royal, would they pay off the full amount? This is a first to me..Rod

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It's not worth playing unless, perhaps, the casino gives very good bounceback offers.

First of all, if you play the game with perfect "normal" 96 DB strategy, your return will be 99.76%. To get over 100%, you'll have to learn strategy changes caused by the big RF payout.

If you learn the strategy variations, and if you play it perfectly at 800 hands an hour, your ev would be about $4/hr. Calculation of "NO" tells us that after 93 million hands, you'd still have one chance in six of being behind. That's just 116,000 hours of play!

If you have a $300,000 bankroll, you'll still have a 25% chance of going broke eventually. (that fig comes from the jazbo-sorokin equation.)

If you want to play through $50K in action to see about the bounceback, you're still taking a hefty risk. 41% of the time you'll lose more than $2000. 12% of the time your loss will be greater than $4000.

What if you find that a $50K play will earn you a bounceback offer of $500? That's very similar to getting 1% cashback. That would lower "NO" to about 700,000 hands, or about 900 hours of play. ,

Say you plan to do the play 10 times and start with $10,000. That is, each time you give $50K in action and you get back $500 in bounceback. You'd have a 31% chance of going broke before you finished the 10th time. The good news is that you'd have a 35% chance of more than doubling your initial $10K bankroll.

So, even with 1% cb or bb, it's a very high risk play.

And all of the above ignores the risk that you might have a fight on your hands if you hit a RF.

--Dunbar

(all calcs done with DRA-VP)

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vprod618@...> wrote :

I was scouting a local casino and found a db 965 with the royal set at $8,000.00, It DOES have a double down feature, but on the glass it says $8,000.00. If you punch in "see pays" it says five coins, at the one dollar level, pays $8,000.00. I punched the pays into wp and it said it returns 100.094. You get NO slot points at this casino. Is this worth playing? If you did hit the royal, would they pay off the full amount? This is a first to me..Rod

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There's no fight. How can they not pay a jackpot? Unless they're Indian-givers. Oh wait, is this an Indian Casino?

And all of the above ignores the risk that you might have a fight on your hands if you hit a RF.

--Dunbar

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YES, it is an indian casino Bob.....

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On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:53 PM, "bobbartop@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   
There's no fight. How can they not pay a jackpot? Unless they're Indian-givers. Oh wait, is this an Indian Casino?

And all of the above ignores the risk that you might have a fight on your hands if you hit a RF.

--Dunbar

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Dunbar says all calcs were done with DRA-VP.What is DRA-VP? I'm looking for some instrument that can show me what my expected distribution of results & their frequency is for any given paytable and assuming perfect strategy play.Are these probability distributions calculated or simulation derived? Does VPW have a simulation feature whereby this info can be acquired?

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"DRA-VP" is Dunbar's Risk Analyzer for Video Poker", and it does do the things you mentioned. For a session or trip of any specified length, it gets the results by simulation. For infinite play (with an advantage), it get the result using the jazbo/sorokin equation: (http://blackjackforumonline.com/content/VPRoR.htm)

DRA-VP is available at ShopLVA.com and GamblersBookClub.com. However, I'm very close to releasing a major upgrade, so I suggest holding off buying it until the upgrade is available. (probably 2-3 weeks).

--Dunbar

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <wicker628@...> wrote :

Dunbar says all calcs were done with DRA-VP.What is DRA-VP? I'm looking for some instrument that can show me what my expected distribution of results & their frequency is for any given paytable and assuming perfect strategy play.Are these probability distributions calculated or simulation derived? Does VPW have a simulation feature whereby this info can be acquired?

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Is this update out yet?

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:54 AM, h_dunbar@hotmail.com [vpFREE] < vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

"DRA-VP" is Dunbar's Risk Analyzer for Video Poker", and it does do the
things you mentioned. For a session or trip of any specified length, it
gets the results by simulation. For infinite play (with an advantage), it
get the result using the jazbo/sorokin equation: (
http://blackjackforumonline.com/content/VPRoR.htm)

DRA-VP is available at ShopLVA.com and GamblersBookClub.com. However, I'm
very close to releasing a major upgrade, so I suggest holding off buying it
until the upgrade is available. (probably 2-3 weeks).

--Dunbar

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <wicker628@...> wrote :

Dunbar says all calcs were done with DRA-VP.What is DRA-VP? I'm looking
for some instrument that can show me what my expected distribution of
results & their frequency is for any given paytable and assuming perfect
strategy play.Are these probability distributions calculated or simulation
derived? Does VPW have a simulation feature whereby this info can be
acquired?

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