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Hypothetical casino smoking ban (XVP)...

I'm trying to wrap my head around what would really happen, business-wise,
if casinos were to completely ban smoking.

Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms will be banned in all casinos
everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made. The casinos keep the same
paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.

For you SMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

S1: Play the same as you did before.
S2: Play slightly less than you did before.
S3: Play substantially less than you did before.
S4: Quit playing in casinos.

For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

N1: Play the same as you did before.
N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
N3: Play substantially more than you did before.

All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of the seven two-character
responses. Or comment as you please.

Thanks,
Brian (my response is N2)

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As long as we're speaking hypothetically, let's say you are a
European or East Asian whale that has been smoking all your life
(which is not uncommon). Are you going to stop coming to Vegas and
start frequenting casinos in other countries that allow smoking? I
would guess that if you have the money to be a whale, you are used to
getting what you want, so will go to places that let you smoke. You
will probably prefer not to go to a casino that makes your decisions
for you. Even if you know that smoking is bad for you, you might
feel you don't need a baby sitter to prohibit you from doing
dangerous things, especially if you are here to indulge in gambling,
drinking, and philandering, all of which can be unhealthy. I
believe the perception of Vegas especially in other countries is that
it is an adult playground where you can indulge in whatever you
want. Change this to "you can indulge in whatever you want, but oh
wait, you can't smoke," and I think you lose certain tourists, some
of whom have a huge impact on the casino's bottom line.

My guess is that the loss of just one of these multi-million-dollar
whales far outweighs an influx of tens of thousands of small-time non-
smokers rejoicing in their smoke-free environment. Now one could say
that a casino might offer private environments that allow whales to
smoke, but your original post does say "no ifs, ands, or butts." One
could also say that a non-smoking policy might attract new non-
smoking whales, but a smoking casino could easily offer private non-
smoking environments for them, whereas a non-smoking casino could not
do the same for a smoking whale. Basically a smoking casino has the
freedom and ability to accomodate both types, whereas a non-smoking
casino is limited. I would think this type of scenario would weigh
heavily in a casino's decision.

So while your impromptu poll might indicate the impact a non-smoking
policy would have on the average joe. It does not give voice to that
very small group who in the real world have a much larger "voice"
than the throngs of average joes put together. So while I am not
invalidating your poll, I don't think to be representative of "what
would really happen."

I'm trying to wrap my head around what would really happen,

business-wise,

if casinos were to completely ban smoking.

Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms will be banned in

all casinos

everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made. The casinos keep

the same

paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.

For you SMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

S1: Play the same as you did before.
S2: Play slightly less than you did before.
S3: Play substantially less than you did before.
S4: Quit playing in casinos.

For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

N1: Play the same as you did before.
N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
N3: Play substantially more than you did before.

All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of the seven two-

character

responses. Or comment as you please.

Thanks,
Brian (my response is N2)

**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the

Grammy

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S4 (Currently doing that in chicago)

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Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms will be banned in all
casinos everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made. The casinos keep the
same paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.

For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

N1: Play the same as you did before.
N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
N3: Play substantially more than you did before.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

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I'm with you, Brian. N2.is my answer. I considered N3., But decided
that option would have to involve doing w/o sleep!

~Babe~

N2 (Play slightly more)

All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of the seven two-

character

responses. Or comment as you please.

N3 - I very often have to quit and go outside or to the room, because
my eyes are burning too much.

I would be happy if the casinos just had truly smoke-free areas with
the same gaming opportunities as the smoking areas.

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N2

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I'm trying to wrap my head around what would really happen,

business-wise,

if casinos were to completely ban smoking.

Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms will be banned in

all casinos

everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made. The casinos keep

the same

paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.

For you SMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

S1: Play the same as you did before.
S2: Play slightly less than you did before.
S3: Play substantially less than you did before.
S4: Quit playing in casinos.

For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

N1: Play the same as you did before.
N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
N3: Play substantially more than you did before.

All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of the seven two-

character

responses. Or comment as you please.

Thanks,
Brian (my response is N2)

**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the

Grammy

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>n2
> I'm trying to wrap my head around what would
really happen,
business-wise,
> if casinos were to completely ban smoking.
>
> Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms
will be banned in
all casinos
> everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.
>
> Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made.
The casinos keep
the same
> paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.
>
> For you SMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban,
would you:
>
> S1: Play the same as you did before.
> S2: Play slightly less than you did before.
> S3: Play substantially less than you did before.
> S4: Quit playing in casinos.
>
> For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking
ban, would you:
>
> N1: Play the same as you did before.
> N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
> N3: Play substantially more than you did before.
>
> All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of
the seven two-
character
> responses. Or comment as you please.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian (my response is N2)
>
>
>
> **************The year's hottest artists on the
red carpet at the
Grammy
> Awards. Go to AOL Music.
>

(http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@ wrote:
>n2
> I'm trying to wrap my head around what would really happen,
business-wise,
> if casinos were to completely ban smoking.
>
> Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms will be banned in
all casinos
> everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.
>
> Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made. The casinos keep
the same
> paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.
>
> For you SMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:
>
> S1: Play the same as you did before.
> S2: Play slightly less than you did before.
> S3: Play substantially less than you did before.
> S4: Quit playing in casinos.
>
> For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:
>
> N1: Play the same as you did before.
> N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
> N3: Play substantially more than you did before.
>
> All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of the seven two-
character
> responses. Or comment as you please.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian (my response is N2)
>
>
>
> **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the
Grammy
> Awards. Go to AOL Music.
> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I'm in the S2 category, I guess. I'm certainly not going to quit
what I do because of a smoking ban. I've already experienced it
anyway. In Butte, Montana, where there are about 30 casinos, 2 were
non-smoking. One just happened to have my play in it. I figure I
spent about 10 or 12 minutes an hour outside which would be about $12
an hour in lost ER.

I'm trying to wrap my head around what would really happen,

business-wise,

if casinos were to completely ban smoking.

Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms will be banned in

all casinos

everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made. The casinos keep

the same

paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.

For you SMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

S1: Play the same as you did before.
S2: Play slightly less than you did before.
S3: Play substantially less than you did before.
S4: Quit playing in casinos.

For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

N1: Play the same as you did before.
N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
N3: Play substantially more than you did before.

All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of the seven two-

character

responses. Or comment as you please.

Thanks,
Brian (my response is N2)

**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the

Grammy

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

Awards. Go to AOL Music.
(http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

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I'm trying to wrap my head around what would really happen,

business-wise,

if casinos were to completely ban smoking.

Let's say as of tomorrow, smoking in all forms will be banned in

all casinos

everywhere. Period. No ifs, ands, or butts.

Let's also say that this is the ONLY change made. The casinos keep

the same

paytables, rules, promos, games, etc.

For you SMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

S1: Play the same as you did before.
S2: Play slightly less than you did before.
S3: Play substantially less than you did before.
S4: Quit playing in casinos.

For you NONSMOKERS, based solely on the smoking ban, would you:

N1: Play the same as you did before.
N2: Play slightly more than you did before.
N3: Play substantially more than you did before.

All you have to do is respond with "S3," or any of the seven two-

character

responses. Or comment as you please.

Thanks,
Brian (my response is N2)

     N1. I quit smoking when I was 23 after ten yrs,(Yes, I was 13
when I started) and have not smoked since. However, the anti-this or
anti-that factions in America distress the hell out of me. The great
experiment with freedoms that this country started with has taken a
hard LEFT turn and I'm afraid of where we are headed as a nation.
     Why can't I have a business where I tell you upfront that this
is a smoking establishment and you can enter or work at your own risk?
It is then left to personal choice, which,IMO, is the way it should
be.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

There is only one problem with the full freedom, let
the market be the judge system.

People do not always make the choices that are in
their own best interest, never mind the interests of
others. That is why laws are needed to control almost
every aspect of society.

Let's face it the only reason a lot of people don't
speed is because they don't want a ticket, and if
there were no speed limits a lot of people would be
driving really fast.

Regards
A.P.

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--- vpbauer1 <dbauer33@cox.net> wrote:

     N1. I quit smoking when I was 23 after ten
yrs,(Yes, I was 13
when I started) and have not smoked since. However,
the anti-this or
anti-that factions in America distress the hell out
of me. The great
experiment with freedoms that this country started
with has taken a
hard LEFT turn and I'm afraid of where we are headed
as a nation.
     Why can't I have a business where I tell you
upfront that this
is a smoking establishment and you can enter or work
at your own risk?
It is then left to personal choice, which,IMO, is
the way it should
be.

There is only one problem with the full freedom, let
the market be the judge system.

People do not always make the choices that are in
their own best interest, never mind the interests of
others. That is why laws are needed to control almost
every aspect of society.

Let's face it the only reason a lot of people don't
speed is because they don't want a ticket, and if
there were no speed limits a lot of people would be
driving really fast.

Regards
A.P.
--- vpbauer1 <dbauer33@...> wrote:

> N1. I quit smoking when I was 23 after ten
> yrs,(Yes, I was 13
> when I started) and have not smoked since. However,
> the anti-this or
> anti-that factions in America distress the hell out
> of me. The great
> experiment with freedoms that this country started
> with has taken a
> hard LEFT turn and I'm afraid of where we are headed
> as a nation.
> Why can't I have a business where I tell you
> upfront that this
> is a smoking establishment and you can enter or work
> at your own risk?
> It is then left to personal choice, which,IMO, is
> the way it should
> be.

laws are needed to control almost

every aspect of society.

     This is where we disagree. I believe we need less laws, not
more, and more enforcement of present ones. Once again, personal
responsibility. As far as a lot of people driving really fast, isn't
the Autobahn, while not truly speed limit-free, an example of how
LESS restrictions work.

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N1

from a former smoker of 20 + years

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