Since most of the players are gamblers (i.e., not advantage players) I
would expect the games to remain indefinitely. They're good for publicity.
Dan
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How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?
Dan you are a dreamer. As soon as the Death Star (CET) gets a hold of those machines, they will be changed to a mid ninety percent payback. I would not be surprised if CET is working on getting the Nevada mandated 75% minimum payback lowered.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@...> wrote:
Since most of the players are gamblers (i.e., not advantage players) I
would expect the games to remain indefinitely. They're good for publicity.
Dan[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Would you all like this to be a question for Mr. Maloof when he comes on the show in three weeks?
~FK
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "laserjobs" <anthony_fleming@...> wrote:
Dan you are a dreamer. As soon as the Death Star (CET) gets a hold of those machines, they will be changed to a mid ninety percent payback. I would not be surprised if CET is working on getting the Nevada mandated 75% minimum payback lowered.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@> wrote:
>
> Since most of the players are gamblers (i.e., not advantage players) I
> would expect the games to remain indefinitely. They're good for publicity.
> Dan
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yes, PLEASE.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
Would you all like this to be a question for Mr. Maloof when he comes on the show in three weeks?
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "laserjobs" <anthony_fleming@> wrote:
>
> Dan you are a dreamer. As soon as the Death Star (CET) gets a hold of those machines, they will be changed to a mid ninety percent payback. I would not be surprised if CET is working on getting the Nevada mandated 75% minimum payback lowered.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@> wrote:
> >
> > Since most of the players are gamblers (i.e., not advantage players) I
> > would expect the games to remain indefinitely. They're good for publicity.
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
Would you all like this to be a question for Mr. Maloof when he comes on the show in three weeks?
~FK
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@> wrote:
> >
> > Since most of the players are gamblers (i.e., not advantage players) I
> > would expect the games to remain indefinitely. They're good for publicity.
> > Dan
Maybe someone else will "adopt" the bank of progressive deuces if the Palms changes. I know Fiesta Rancho used to be a hang out for those players a few years ago. That was a good bank of them if I recall, I often wondered why the casino kept them. I'm not sure what the meter was on them but I seem to recall they frequently reached in the $1200s, even $1300. That's pretty good for a 25-cent FPDW progressive!
I dunno, you just have to change with the times, I guess. We all knew it wasn't going to last forever. FPDW for a percent EV at quarters is hardly something to write home about. There are much better plays for quarters around town.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@...> wrote:
New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
No there are aren't. Not if by "plays" you mean a game that runs 24/7.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@> wrote:
>
> New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
>
>Maybe someone else will "adopt" the bank of progressive deuces if the Palms changes. I know Fiesta Rancho used to be a hang out for those players a few years ago. That was a good bank of them if I recall, I often wondered why the casino kept them. I'm not sure what the meter was on them but I seem to recall they frequently reached in the $1200s, even $1300. That's pretty good for a 25-cent FPDW progressive!
I dunno, you just have to change with the times, I guess. We all knew it wasn't going to last forever. FPDW for a percent EV at quarters is hardly something to write home about. There are much better plays for quarters around town.
Au Cointreau, monsieur. Yes, there be.
Grinding out the progressive FPDW at the Palms for quarters is really limiting oneself.
I think one could make a very strong argument that the new M progressive's average return is far higher than that of the Palms Deuce.
Naturally people play VP for more than raw edge and take into consideration things like bankroll requirement and game variance.
If we do go off of pure average edge, I believe the M might win.
And keep in mind, M was put in as a direct request of vpFREE posters. Kinda cool I think.
I'll can see what I can do to preserve the Palms Deuce for all of you. Hay it worked last time.
~FK
P.S. I'm assuming that you would all like me to help preserve the Deuce progressive???
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@> wrote:
> >
> > New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
> >
> >
>
>
> Maybe someone else will "adopt" the bank of progressive deuces if the Palms changes. I know Fiesta Rancho used to be a hang out for those players a few years ago. That was a good bank of them if I recall, I often wondered why the casino kept them. I'm not sure what the meter was on them but I seem to recall they frequently reached in the $1200s, even $1300. That's pretty good for a 25-cent FPDW progressive!
>
> I dunno, you just have to change with the times, I guess. We all knew it wasn't going to last forever. FPDW for a percent EV at quarters is hardly something to write home about. There are much better plays for quarters around town.
>
No there are aren't. Not if by "plays" you mean a game that runs 24/7.
Frank-I have to commend you and "Bob" for those M progressives. They are a great asset to the VP community. I hope they last forever. If Palms and other nice payback FPDW plays go away I am going to take a week to learn some of those otherwise horrific games and you will have the "pleasure" of seeing my fat ass at M!
PS-What happened to the interviews with Singer and the guy who wrote that Casino-ology book? Hope they don't go the way of the long promised cocktail waitress interview. LOL.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
I think one could make a very strong argument that the new M progressive's average return is far higher than that of the Palms Deuce.
Naturally people play VP for more than raw edge and take into consideration things like bankroll requirement and game variance.
If we do go off of pure average edge, I believe the M might win.
And keep in mind, M was put in as a direct request of vpFREE posters. Kinda cool I think.
I'll can see what I can do to preserve the Palms Deuce for all of you. Hay it worked last time.
~FK
P.S. I'm assuming that you would all like me to help preserve the Deuce progressive???
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Maybe someone else will "adopt" the bank of progressive deuces if the Palms changes. I know Fiesta Rancho used to be a hang out for those players a few years ago. That was a good bank of them if I recall, I often wondered why the casino kept them. I'm not sure what the meter was on them but I seem to recall they frequently reached in the $1200s, even $1300. That's pretty good for a 25-cent FPDW progressive!
> >
> > I dunno, you just have to change with the times, I guess. We all knew it wasn't going to last forever. FPDW for a percent EV at quarters is hardly something to write home about. There are much better plays for quarters around town.
> >
> No there are aren't. Not if by "plays" you mean a game that runs 24/7.
>
About those canceled interviews.
Bob nixed the cocktail waitress interview. Bob nixed the Singer interview (even if I did it on my own time and only posted it on my web-site). When I say "Bob nixed them" I mean he voiced concerns and opinions that I either did not completely disagree with, or that I did not feel strongly enough about to fight him on.
I may have disagreed, but not ENOUGH to jeopardize my friendship with Bob. I like the guy.
Even though the original idea to do a radio show was mine, and I asked him if he would like to co-host it with me, I have never thought of it as "my show". Bob was instrumental in getting our sponsorships and I simply wouldn't want to dismiss his opinion in favor of mine, when he has been the driving force behind the financial success of the show.
If I have an idea, I pitch it to him. If I then fail to convince him of my point of view, I concede the point and I give him the final word.
He has about 10 times the public experience that I do (most of my career was spent hiding in the shadows), it doesn't make sense to me not to listen to someone that should, in theory, know more on the subject than I do.
I believe the Casino-ology interview is up coming.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote: Frank-I have to commend you and "Bob" for those M progressives. They are a great asset to the VP community. I hope they last forever. If Palms and other nice payback FPDW plays go away I am going to take a week to learn some of those otherwise horrific games and you will have the "pleasure" of seeing my fat ass at M! PS-What happened to the interviews with Singer and the guy who wrote that Casino-ology book? Hope they don't go the way of the long promised cocktail waitress interview. LOL.
Perhaps in the beginning you guys were struggling with ideas and had newbie jitters. But now you guys have a history of some real heavy hitters on your show. There may come a day when your show and guest selection has been of such high quality, that you may find yourself with a tough act to follow.
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. You might want a vacation, or you might get the flu, and yet you've got this big responsibility of a regular weekly show now. It's almost like you guys have a real job.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "frankkneeland" <frank@...> wrote:
About those canceled interviews.
Bob nixed the cocktail waitress interview. Bob nixed the Singer interview (even if I did it on my own time and only posted it on my web-site). When I say "Bob nixed them" I mean he voiced concerns and opinions that I either did not completely disagree with, or that I did not feel strongly enough about to fight him on.
I may have disagreed, but not ENOUGH to jeopardize my friendship with Bob. I like the guy.
Even though the original idea to do a radio show was mine, and I asked him if he would like to co-host it with me, I have never thought of it as "my show". Bob was instrumental in getting our sponsorships and I simply wouldn't want to dismiss his opinion in favor of mine, when he has been the driving force behind the financial success of the show.
If I have an idea, I pitch it to him. If I then fail to convince him of my point of view, I concede the point and I give him the final word.
He has about 10 times the public experience that I do (most of my career was spent hiding in the shadows), it doesn't make sense to me not to listen to someone that should, in theory, know more on the subject than I do.
I believe the Casino-ology interview is up coming.
I hope the cocktail waitress is still able to function after that 
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "frankkneeland" <frank@...> wrote:
About those canceled interviews.
Bob nixed the cocktail waitress interview. Bob nixed the Singer interview (even if I did it on my own time and only posted it on my web-site). When I say "Bob nixed them" I mean he voiced concerns and opinions that I either did not completely disagree with, or that I did not feel strongly enough about to fight him on.
Oh Frank, I love you but as we said in my neighborhood-"Grow a (expletive deleted) pair".
You can do an interview, put it on your own web site and never even mention it on the show. That way The Wrath Of "Bob" can be avoided.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "frankkneeland" <frank@...> wrote:
About those canceled interviews.
Bob nixed the cocktail waitress interview. Bob nixed the Singer interview (even if I did it on my own time and only posted it on my web-site). When I say "Bob nixed them" I mean he voiced concerns and opinions that I either did not completely disagree with, or that I did not feel strongly enough about to fight him on.
I may have disagreed, but not ENOUGH to jeopardize my friendship with Bob. I like the guy.
Even though the original idea to do a radio show was mine, and I asked him if he would like to co-host it with me, I have never thought of it as "my show". Bob was instrumental in getting our sponsorships and I simply wouldn't want to dismiss his opinion in favor of mine, when he has been the driving force behind the financial success of the show.
If I have an idea, I pitch it to him. If I then fail to convince him of my point of view, I concede the point and I give him the final word.
He has about 10 times the public experience that I do (most of my career was spent hiding in the shadows), it doesn't make sense to me not to listen to someone that should, in theory, know more on the subject than I do.
I believe the Casino-ology interview is up coming.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote: Frank-I have to commend you and "Bob" for those M progressives. They are a great asset to the VP community. I hope they last forever. If Palms and other nice payback FPDW plays go away I am going to take a week to learn some of those otherwise horrific games and you will have the "pleasure" of seeing my fat ass at M! PS-What happened to the interviews with Singer and the guy who wrote that Casino-ology book? Hope they don't go the way of the long promised cocktail waitress interview. LOL.