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#1

I was in the Palm Springs area New Year's Day and stopped by Fantasy
Springs which is in nearby Indio.

I'm not a big fan of Indian casinos. And since I never drop by often
enough to build or use comps I don't bring big stakes.

But, there I was playing $1 Deuces with a lady next to me playing $1
9/6 DDB.

She was dealt four to the royal but the fifth card was a second ace.

Her instinct was to hold the aces, but upon request I told her that
four to the royal was a much stronger hand and you almost always go
for it.

She tossed the second ace and drew a 7 of spades.

That would be the end of the story, except about five hands later she
was dealt another four-to-the-royal, this time with the fifth card
being a second king.

"I know, don't hold the sure thing" she chirped, tossing the off-
suited king and drawing the fifth card of the royal for $4000.

So I'm wondering if other vpFREE members having given some friendly
counsel here and there which might have "made someone's day".

Happy New Year. That stranger next to me is surely having one right
now.

#2

I was playing at Caesars Palace last March or April in the open High Limit
area and there was a lady and her husband playing $ JOB. She was holding
her own and then she was dealt four to the royal along with a high pair.
Her husband encouraged her to go for the royal and then she decided to ask
for outside advice. Two of us seconded her husband's opinion and we were
all thrilled to see the jackpot appear. It was her very first dollar
royal. It's always nice to see immediate results of good advice.

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On Jan 2, 2008 9:40 AM, npf152512 <npf152512@yahoo.com> wrote:

  I was in the Palm Springs area New Year's Day and stopped by Fantasy
Springs which is in nearby Indio.

I'm not a big fan of Indian casinos. And since I never drop by often
enough to build or use comps I don't bring big stakes.

But, there I was playing $1 Deuces with a lady next to me playing $1
9/6 DDB.

She was dealt four to the royal but the fifth card was a second ace.

Her instinct was to hold the aces, but upon request I told her that
four to the royal was a much stronger hand and you almost always go
for it.

She tossed the second ace and drew a 7 of spades.

That would be the end of the story, except about five hands later she
was dealt another four-to-the-royal, this time with the fifth card
being a second king.

"I know, don't hold the sure thing" she chirped, tossing the off-
suited king and drawing the fifth card of the royal for $4000.

So I'm wondering if other vpFREE members having given some friendly
counsel here and there which might have "made someone's day".

Happy New Year. That stranger next to me is surely having one right
now.

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#3

I have at times in the past, but too often the rule of "no good deed
goes unpunished" has resulted in a bad reaction from the other player.

Now I make no comments unless asked.

A funny story; I was at a casino playing an 8/5/175 bonus poker
machine. A helpful stranger told me that I was getting screwed, and
should be playing the regular 8/5 bonus machine next to me. I
attempted to explain to him that my machine was actually much better,
but no math or logic would do, his mind was made up. :slight_smile: LOL

God bless them all -- that's why we still have a few OK paytables left.

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf152512" <npf152512@...> wrote:

So I'm wondering if other vpFREE members having given some friendly
counsel here and there which might have "made someone's day".

#4

Mac McClellan wrote:

I have at times in the past, but too often the rule of "no good deed
goes unpunished" has resulted in a bad reaction from the other
player.

Now I make no comments unless asked.

You put your finger on why it's best to tread carefully when someone
asks you how a hand "should" be played. Advise a DDB player to break
a pair of Aces for a 4RF hold and, if another A shows up on the draw,
a less than rational player may internally fume with frustration at
having missed a shot for quad Aces.

If I sense a fellow player may have a bit of a emotional trigger, I'll
sidestep a "how would you play this" question (perhaps with, "I'm
sorry; I don't play that particular game" ... if I can get away with it).

However, most often I'll tell a player the correct hold ... framing it
in terms of what's a good move if you like a sure thing, what a "true
gambler" would likely go for, and what technically is the most
valuable hold. I make it clear in putting the info forward that
whatever choice they go with is absolutely fine in my eyes, provided
that the choice best suits their temperament toward play.

If you remove that sense of "you're messed up if you don't play it
this way" that permeates some advice in the casino, and keep things
neutral, people generally appreciate the input ... no matter what the
outcome or if, in the end, they choose to ignore what's been offered.

- H.

#5

(Careful, even though the following is not XVP, this might come close
to a lame attempt at humor that someone may or may not think is funny--
or maybe it's just a statement of facts that I believe is a mildly
funny story. You have been disclaimed. Don't let it ruin your day.)

I was playing along merrily on my slant top at the Edgewater in
Laughlin one night. The young lady next to me was dealt 4RF and some
insignificant card like a 6 offsuit. She held the 4RF but then turned
to indicate to the rest of her companions what she was dealt and in
doing so hit the touch screen and held the 6. She was going for the
Deal/Draw button when I yelled, "STOP!" and slammed my hand down on
her machine. The whole family jumped--I think someone screamed. I
showed her what she was about to do. Fortunately both she and her
rather large brother/boyfriend/husband thanked me. She ended up with
a flush. Granted, she didn't ask, but I felt like something needed to
be done.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

You put your finger on why it's best to tread carefully when someone
asks you how a hand "should" be played.

#6

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mac McClellan" <mac_mcclellan@...>
wrote:

I have at times in the past, but too often the rule of "no good deed
goes unpunished" has resulted in a bad reaction from the other player.

Now I make no comments unless asked.

There is another way you can get punished for helping the player beside
you. They are a learner type and once they know you are knowledgeable
about the game they want to be coached on just about every hand. This
has ruined more than one session for me. I learned to keep my mouth
shut.

#7

I was playing along merrily on my slant top at the Edgewater in
Laughlin one night. The young lady next to me was dealt 4RF and some
insignificant card like a 6 offsuit. She held the 4RF but then
turned to indicate to the rest of her companions what she was dealt
and in doing so hit the touch screen and held the 6. She was going
for the Deal/Draw button when I yelled, "STOP!" and slammed my hand
down on her machine. The whole family jumped--I think someone
screamed. I showed her what she was about to do. Fortunately both
she and her rather large brother/boyfriend/husband thanked me. She
ended up with a flush. Granted, she didn't ask, but I felt like
something needed to be done.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Sterling" <vpdeuces@...> wrote:

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Drew, since you didn't throw your entire body across her machine,
while shrieking with spittle flying in all directions, I'm sure
that the lady's large companions would not have done you bodily
harm. Anyway, she did pop a flush!

My own story is a trifle different. I was at the EC, playing .50c
JW. Sitting next to me was an elderly lady, playing DDB, while being
coached on each hand, by her equally clueless husband. Suddenly,
they both began to chatter excitedly. Glancing over, I noticed that
she had been dealt a flush, which also contained RF4.

I watched surrepitiously, w/o comment. I NEVER, EVER presume to
tell another player how to play a hand. The husband noticed me
peeking at the hand, and asked what I would do. I told him that I
never give advice about how someone else should play a hand. I
explained that was because, even if my advice was dead-on correct,
it might not turn out to be advantageous to the player.

They discussed the hand awhile longer between themselves.

Finally, the old guy turned to me again, asking what I would do with
the hand. He stated that however it turned out, they would not hold
me responsible. OK, I said with a sigh, unless the dealt hand is a
SF, the correct hold is always RF4. You are gambling a 30 coin sure
return against a 4000 coin potential return.

Their minds now made up, the wife carefully held the 4 RF cards,
discarding the suited small card. Up popped an unsuited small card.

With a venomous glance in my direction, the old guy loudly
proclaimed, "See? I told you that she probably doesn't
know how to play any better than we do!"

~Babe~

#8

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:

I was playing along merrily on my slant top at the Edgewater in
Laughlin one night. The young lady next to me was dealt 4RF and

some

insignificant card like a 6 offsuit. She held the 4RF but then
turned to indicate to the rest of her companions what she was dealt
and in doing so hit the touch screen and held the 6. She was going
for the Deal/Draw button when I yelled, "STOP!" and slammed my hand
down on her machine. The whole family jumped--I think someone
screamed. I showed her what she was about to do. Fortunately both
she and her rather large brother/boyfriend/husband thanked me. She
ended up with a flush. Granted, she didn't ask, but I felt like
something needed to be done.

Drew, since you didn't throw your entire body across her machine,
while shrieking with spittle flying in all directions, I'm sure
that the lady's large companions would not have done you bodily
harm. Anyway, she did pop a flush!

My own story is a trifle different. I was at the EC, playing .50c
JW. Sitting next to me was an elderly lady, playing DDB, while

being

coached on each hand, by her equally clueless husband. Suddenly,
they both began to chatter excitedly. Glancing over, I noticed that
she had been dealt a flush, which also contained RF4.

I watched surrepitiously, w/o comment. I NEVER, EVER presume to
tell another player how to play a hand. The husband noticed me
peeking at the hand, and asked what I would do. I told him that I
never give advice about how someone else should play a hand. I
explained that was because, even if my advice was dead-on correct,
it might not turn out to be advantageous to the player.

They discussed the hand awhile longer between themselves.

Finally, the old guy turned to me again, asking what I would do

with

the hand. He stated that however it turned out, they would not

hold

me responsible. OK, I said with a sigh, unless the dealt hand is a
SF, the correct hold is always RF4. You are gambling a 30 coin sure
return against a 4000 coin potential return.

Their minds now made up, the wife carefully held the 4 RF cards,
discarding the suited small card. Up popped an unsuited small

card.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Sterling" <vpdeuces@> wrote:

With a venomous glance in my direction, the old guy loudly
proclaimed, "See? I told you that she probably doesn't
know how to play any better than we do!"

~Babe~

#9

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:

My own story is a trifle different. I was at the EC, playing .50c
JW. Sitting next to me was an elderly lady, playing DDB, while

being

coached on each hand, by her equally clueless husband. Suddenly,
they both began to chatter excitedly. Glancing over, I noticed that
she had been dealt a flush, which also contained RF4.

I watched surrepitiously, w/o comment. I NEVER, EVER presume to
tell another player how to play a hand. The husband noticed me
peeking at the hand, and asked what I would do. I told him that I
never give advice about how someone else should play a hand. I
explained that was because, even if my advice was dead-on correct,
it might not turn out to be advantageous to the player.

They discussed the hand awhile longer between themselves.

Finally, the old guy turned to me again, asking what I would do

with

the hand. He stated that however it turned out, they would not

hold

me responsible. OK, I said with a sigh, unless the dealt hand is a
SF, the correct hold is always RF4. You are gambling a 30 coin sure
return against a 4000 coin potential return.

Their minds now made up, the wife carefully held the 4 RF cards,
discarding the suited small card. Up popped an unsuited small

card.

With a venomous glance in my direction, the old guy loudly
proclaimed, "See? I told you that she probably doesn't
know how to play any better than we do!"

~Babe~

You'll have to disregard my previous post where I didn't post
anything. I'm having an uncoordination day. Good thing I'm not
playing video poker today. Anyways, very funny story, Babe.

Now here's mine. I was playing FPDW onetime and for some reason the
person behind me on another machine caught my attention. I turned
around to see him holding a 2 and a 3 and drawing three cards. I
looked up to see what he was playing. It was Double Double
Bonus. "That explains it", I thought, "What a BLOOMING IDIOT this
guy is."

A little while later I heard a WHOOPEEE!!! from behind me and turned
to see that he had held a 3 and a 4 and caught 333 makiing the small
quads with the kicker. "Maybe I'm the idiot," I thought.

#10

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:

I was playing along merrily on my slant top at the Edgewater in
Laughlin one night. The young lady next to me was dealt 4RF and

some

insignificant card like a 6 offsuit. She held the 4RF but then
turned to indicate to the rest of her companions what she was dealt
and in doing so hit the touch screen and held the 6. She was going
for the Deal/Draw button when I yelled, "STOP!" and slammed my hand
down on her machine. The whole family jumped--I think someone
screamed. I showed her what she was about to do. Fortunately both
she and her rather large brother/boyfriend/husband thanked me. She
ended up with a flush. Granted, she didn't ask, but I felt like
something needed to be done.

Drew, since you didn't throw your entire body across her machine,
while shrieking with spittle flying in all directions, I'm sure
that the lady's large companions would not have done you bodily
harm. Anyway, she did pop a flush!

My own story is a trifle different. I was at the EC, playing .50c
JW. Sitting next to me was an elderly lady, playing DDB, while

being

coached on each hand, by her equally clueless husband. Suddenly,
they both began to chatter excitedly. Glancing over, I noticed that
she had been dealt a flush, which also contained RF4.

I watched surrepitiously, w/o comment. I NEVER, EVER presume to
tell another player how to play a hand. The husband noticed me
peeking at the hand, and asked what I would do. I told him that I
never give advice about how someone else should play a hand. I
explained that was because, even if my advice was dead-on correct,
it might not turn out to be advantageous to the player.

They discussed the hand awhile longer between themselves.

Finally, the old guy turned to me again, asking what I would do

with

the hand. He stated that however it turned out, they would not

hold

me responsible. OK, I said with a sigh, unless the dealt hand is a
SF, the correct hold is always RF4. You are gambling a 30 coin sure
return against a 4000 coin potential return.

Their minds now made up, the wife carefully held the 4 RF cards,
discarding the suited small card. Up popped an unsuited small

card.

With a venomous glance in my direction, the old guy loudly
proclaimed, "See? I told you that she probably doesn't
know how to play any better than we do!"

~Babe~

Along those lines, I was playing DW and my neighbor was dealt a deuce
plus RF4. This is often a head-scratcher for the average player, so
she asked me if she should take the wild royal or go for the natural
royal. I said wild royal, so she held it. A few minutes later her
husband appeared to ask how she was doing. "I was dealt a 4 card
royal with a deuce." "Did you get the royal?" "No, this man told me
to hold the wild royal." I got a dirty look followed by a lecture
about ALWAYS going for the royal with a 4 card royal. It was obvious
from his tone that he felt I had deliberately misled the wife robbing
her of an opportunity for a royal ... and then SHE started glaring at
me!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Sterling" <vpdeuces@> wrote:

#11

Several years ago at the westward ho the 6/9 quarter progressive was over $1200 and I suggested that a player go for the royal with 3 to the royal dealt vs a high pair or something. Don't recall how much over $1200 it was at the time - he got the royal!

gmblnmn <nktalbrch@gmail.com> wrote: I was playing at Caesars Palace last March or April in the open High Limit
area and there was a lady and her husband playing $ JOB. She was holding
her own and then she was dealt four to the royal along with a high pair.
Her husband encouraged her to go for the royal and then she decided to ask
for outside advice. Two of us seconded her husband's opinion and we were
all thrilled to see the jackpot appear. It was her very first dollar
royal. It's always nice to see immediate results of good advice.

···

On Jan 2, 2008 9:40 AM, npf152512 <npf152512@yahoo.com> wrote:

I was in the Palm Springs area New Year's Day and stopped by Fantasy
Springs which is in nearby Indio.

I'm not a big fan of Indian casinos. And since I never drop by often
enough to build or use comps I don't bring big stakes.

But, there I was playing $1 Deuces with a lady next to me playing $1
9/6 DDB.

She was dealt four to the royal but the fifth card was a second ace.

Her instinct was to hold the aces, but upon request I told her that
four to the royal was a much stronger hand and you almost always go
for it.

She tossed the second ace and drew a 7 of spades.

That would be the end of the story, except about five hands later she
was dealt another four-to-the-royal, this time with the fifth card
being a second king.

"I know, don't hold the sure thing" she chirped, tossing the off-
suited king and drawing the fifth card of the royal for $4000.

So I'm wondering if other vpFREE members having given some friendly
counsel here and there which might have "made someone's day".

Happy New Year. That stranger next to me is surely having one right
now.

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