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How do you measure success?

#1

I would be figuring how to make the most money, rather
than losing the least, or I wouldn't be playing.

Start off by only playing positive situations on games that
are suited to your bankroll and temperament, and then select
the game that you can play at the best combination of speed,
accuracy and game ER, if you're trying to maximize your EV/hour.

Specifically:

EV/hour = (coin-in/hour) times (adjusted ER)

Adjusted ER is the game ER times your accuracy % for that game.

Other goals could have different solutions.

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On 9 Mar 2005 at 19:43, Lance wrote:

how does one figure out which "type" of machine a person will lose the
least money on based on the machines optimal payback percentage AS
WELL AS how successful a person is at mastering that machine.

#2

vpFREE wrote:

I would be figuring how to make the most money, rather
than losing the least, or I wouldn't be playing.

You clearly enjoyed a better year in '04 than I did ...

- H.

#3

Now specifically what is meant by "accuracy % for that game."?

I think the importance of one's mistakes must be accounted for, for
instance not holding a dealt royal is a mistake much larger than
other mistakes.

That may be what you meant, but mistakes vary in importance, so it
seems to be more than simply 99.5% correct.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

if you're trying to maximize your EV/hour.

Specifically:

EV/hour = (coin-in/hour) times (adjusted ER)

Adjusted ER is the game ER times your accuracy % for that game.

Other goals could have different solutions.

#4

I guess what you say is kinda supporting my question.

I could play deuces wild with a machine return of 100.7% versus a
Jacks or better at 99.5% return... but if I'm not as accurate with
the more complex "plays" of the deuces wild... at some point I am
better off playing the lower payback Jacks or Better... but at a
higher accuracy rate.

I fully understand the idea that if I could play ANY game in a
totally accurate way that I would want machines with positive
paybacks... but unfortunetly most of the positive expectation
machines are more difficult to master.

I think you did answer my question, however, as how I could quantify
this Machine Payback Percentage vs Player Accuracy Percentage
tradeoff with your statement of: "Adjusted ER is the game ER times
your accuracy % for that game." In my case... I will Win More (or at
least lose less) with whatever combination of numbers I receive when
I multiple them together.

Thank you for your replies.

Lance

my question. --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...>
wrote:

> how does one figure out which "type" of machine a person will

lose the

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On 9 Mar 2005 at 19:43, Lance wrote:
> least money on based on the machines optimal payback percentage AS
> WELL AS how successful a person is at mastering that machine.

I would be figuring how to make the most money, rather
than losing the least, or I wouldn't be playing.

Start off by only playing positive situations on games that
are suited to your bankroll and temperament, and then select
the game that you can play at the best combination of speed,
accuracy and game ER, if you're trying to maximize your EV/hour.

Specifically:

EV/hour = (coin-in/hour) times (adjusted ER)

Adjusted ER is the game ER times your accuracy % for that game.

Other goals could have different solutions.

#5

In my case I was basing my accuracy percentage on the "Error Effect
On Total Return" numbers which reflects the "Best Return" as compared
to the "Actual Players Return" as a percentage. (For me... usually in
the 99.4 to 99.8 range.) This "Accuracy Percentage" would obviously
take into account a large mistake vs a small Penalty Card mistake as
far as a good vs bad Player accuracy number.

Thanks for your reply.

Lance

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "testpro" <testpro@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
>if you're trying to maximize your EV/hour.
>
> Specifically:
>
> EV/hour = (coin-in/hour) times (adjusted ER)
>
> Adjusted ER is the game ER times your accuracy % for that game.
>
> Other goals could have different solutions.

Now specifically what is meant by "accuracy % for that game."?

I think the importance of one's mistakes must be accounted for, for
instance not holding a dealt royal is a mistake much larger than
other mistakes.

That may be what you meant, but mistakes vary in importance, so it
seems to be more than simply 99.5% correct.

#6

Lance,

One simple measure of success is to determine if you are playing a
positive game with enough accuracy to be over 100%. Take the Error
Effect on Total Return and multiply by the ER of the game. For
example you indicated a range of 99.4 to 99.8 and for full pay
deuces this reduces your ER to .994 x 100.76 = 100.16 or .998 x
100.76 = 100.56. Obviously you want enough practice on the software
to make sure the Error Effect on Total Return gives an accurate
measurement of your skill level.

You still need to be careful to play on a machine with good buttons
and don't forget to cash out and take your ticket! Good luck!

Chris

In my case I was basing my accuracy percentage on the "Error

Effect

On Total Return" numbers which reflects the "Best Return" as

compared

to the "Actual Players Return" as a percentage. (For me... usually

in

the 99.4 to 99.8 range.) This "Accuracy Percentage" would

obviously

take into account a large mistake vs a small Penalty Card mistake

as

far as a good vs bad Player accuracy number.

Thanks for your reply.

Lance

>
> >if you're trying to maximize your EV/hour.
> >
> > Specifically:
> >
> > EV/hour = (coin-in/hour) times (adjusted ER)
> >
> > Adjusted ER is the game ER times your accuracy % for that game.
> >
> > Other goals could have different solutions.
>
> Now specifically what is meant by "accuracy % for that game."?
>
> I think the importance of one's mistakes must be accounted for,

for

> instance not holding a dealt royal is a mistake much larger than
> other mistakes.
>
> That may be what you meant, but mistakes vary in importance, so

it

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lance" <LanceS@a...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "testpro" <testpro@y...> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
> seems to be more than simply 99.5% correct.

#7

I could play deuces wild with a machine return of 100.7% versus a
Jacks or better at 99.5% return... but if I'm not as accurate with the
more complex "plays" of the deuces wild... at some point I am better off
playing the lower payback Jacks or Better... but at a higher accuracy
rate.

If it were me I'd spend more time practicing FPDW to
increase my accuracy to a higher, acceptable level,
and less time analyzing whether I should play FPDW
or JoB.

I fully understand the idea that if I could play ANY game in a
totally accurate way that I would want machines with positive
paybacks... but unfortunetly most of the positive expectation
machines are more difficult to master.

They may, or may not, be more difficult to master, but most
aren't all that difficult and it's certainly worth the effort if
you're at all serious about VP. FPDW is one of the easier
games to play IMO.

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On 10 Mar 2005 at 22:46, Lance wrote:

#8

I have a simple method of measuring success, count your money when you get
back home, If you won .....Thats success.
Jack

#9

I have a simple method of measuring success, count your money when

you get

back home, If you won .....Thats success.
Jack

That is pretty good, but what of the very occasional slot player that
wins, and there are quite a few every day. I hope that doesnt qualify
as success, even if it might be fun.

Happy Royal success
Jim

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