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How do I calculate the return on this game?

#1

Hello, all -

I've run into a game with a horrid paytable, but with a high return for
a dealt royal. I know that the frequency of a dealt royal is around 1
in 650,000 but I don't know how to determine the amount the dealt royal
will contribute to the ER.

It's a quarter triple-play Super Double bonus with a progressive on the
three royals that's around $23,000. The paytable is 8/5 instead of
9/5, so it yields only about 98.68% (plus .20% cashback).

I haven't been able to figure out how much to add so that I can run the
game on WP or VPW. Dividing the $23,000 by 650,000 gives me .03538,
but I don't know where to go from that number. Any help in determing
if the game's worth playing would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

noosarazoo

#2

Hello, all -

I've run into a game with a horrid paytable, but with a high return

for

a dealt royal. I know that the frequency of a dealt royal is

around 1

in 650,000 but I don't know how to determine the amount the dealt

royal

will contribute to the ER.

It's a quarter triple-play Super Double bonus with a progressive on

the

three royals that's around $23,000. The paytable is 8/5 instead of
9/5, so it yields only about 98.68% (plus .20% cashback).

I haven't been able to figure out how much to add so that I can run

the

game on WP or VPW. Dividing the $23,000 by 650,000 gives

me .03538,

but I don't know where to go from that number. Any help in

determing

if the game's worth playing would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

noosarazoo

You have the right idea! The numerator s/b $20000 not $23000 as the
normal royals would be $3000. 20000/649740=3.08% which makes the game
a juicy 101.76% but highly volatile. Note the 8 on FH means you keep
all high pairs rather than two pair.

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#3

You forgot to divide the $20,000 by the $3.75 bet, making the dealt royal
contribution only 0.82%. Not so juicy after all.

Cogno

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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: How do I calculate the return on this game?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "noosarazoo" <noosaroo@...> wrote:

Hello, all -

I've run into a game with a horrid paytable, but with a high return

for

a dealt royal. I know that the frequency of a dealt royal is

around 1

in 650,000 but I don't know how to determine the amount the dealt

royal

will contribute to the ER.

It's a quarter triple-play Super Double bonus with a progressive on

the

three royals that's around $23,000. The paytable is 8/5 instead of
9/5, so it yields only about 98.68% (plus .20% cashback).

I haven't been able to figure out how much to add so that I can run

the

game on WP or VPW. Dividing the $23,000 by 650,000 gives

me .03538,

but I don't know where to go from that number. Any help in

determing

if the game's worth playing would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

noosarazoo

You have the right idea! The numerator s/b $20000 not $23000 as the
normal royals would be $3000. 20000/649740=3.08% which makes the game
a juicy 101.76% but highly volatile. Note the 8 on FH means you keep
all high pairs rather than two pair.

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#4

noosarazoo wrote:

I've run into a game with a horrid paytable, but with a high return
for a dealt royal. I know that the frequency of a dealt royal is
around 1 in 650,000 but I don't know how to determine the amount the
dealt royal will contribute to the ER.

A helpful sanity check --- for a meter to add 1% to game ER, the meter
climb must equal 1% of the wagers expected run during one dealt hand
cycle.

For a RF and n-play: 649740 bets. If $.25 3-play, then 1% = $24365.

In round numbers, you can guestimate the EV added by the RF meter (in
fractions of 1%) on a 3-play $.25 game by dividing the meter advance
over reset by $25000.

- H.

#5

Thanks, Howard, Cogno, and Harry! I knew I should have paid more
attention in statistics class. :wink:

noosarazoo

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "noosarazoo" <noosaroo@...> wrote:

Hello, all -

I've run into a game with a horrid paytable, but with a high return

for a dealt royal. ... <snip>

#6

Thanks, Howard, Cogno, and Harry! I knew I should have paid more
attention in statistics class. :wink:

noosarazoo

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> Hello, all -
>
> I've run into a game with a horrid paytable, but with a high return
for a dealt royal. ... <snip>

I made a huge mistake in what I said earlier. That 3.08% needs to be
divided by 3.75 for the per play cost so it omly adds about 0.82% so at
99.5% + 0.2% cb it is not so good!

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