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how do casinos calculate how many days you were there (for required play)

#1

If the info says a casino requires $25k per day for a room and you
check in on a Monday and check out on a Wednesday, how much money do
they want - is that two 'nights' so 2 times 20 k or is that
three 'days' so 3 times 20k?

Recently posters have said that you don't play on checkout day so you
don't ruin your average. Are the casinos stupid enough to give someone
that plays 20k, 20k, and 10k over three days/two nights less credit
than someone that plays 20k, 20k , and nothing on the last day? Is it
that easy - just don't play on that last day and you reduce your
requirement?

What about not playing on the check 'in' day as well - will that work?
Check in monday, play 20k on Tuesday an dcheck out on Wednesday?

#2

bedioyscans2000 wrote:

If the info says a casino requires $25k per day for a room and you
check in on a Monday and check out on a Wednesday, how much money do
they want - is that two 'nights' so 2 times 20 k or is that
three 'days' so 3 times 20k?

Recently posters have said that you don't play on checkout day so
you don't ruin your average. Are the casinos stupid enough to give
someone that plays 20k, 20k, and 10k over three days/two nights
less credit than someone that plays 20k, 20k , and nothing on the
last day? Is it that easy - just don't play on that last day and you
reduce your requirement?

What about not playing on the check 'in' day as well - will that
work? Check in monday, play 20k on Tuesday an dcheck out on
Wednesday?

It's hard to believe, but casinos at times can be more bureaucratic
than our beloved Feds.

The most enlightened casinos factor total trip play in rating you.
However, other casinos basically look at you as a drain on their
resources any given day that you're on their property. The worst of
these will systematically rate you in a manner that suggests if you
merely pop your player card into a kiosk on your last day, you're
expected to give them a full day's play or otherwise weaken your
rating for that trip. For others, a late check-out is sufficient ...
at yet others, merely checking out after the beginning of the gaming
day (e.g. 6am) will add a day to your trip and dilute your trip average.

Getting a handle on these "rules" at a casino is a challenge. You'd
think they'd want to spell it out so that you'd play up to, and
according to, their expectations. Instead, the whole thing is often
treated as a trade secret, entrusted only to the most worthy insiders.
Ask 3 hosts the scoop and you're bound to get 3 different versions of
the facts.

But a host is the best place to start in nailing the facts. Then it's
time to start comparing notes with players you know who are active
there. Finally, if you're still wanting for a solid picture, drop a
note here asking for more info. I list posting last simply because on
occasion it can produce as many versions as the hosts will offer up
(though more reliably). Hitting up people you know personally, ot one
extent or another, is a stronger source.

- Harry

#3

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

bedioyscans2000 wrote:
> If the info says a casino requires $25k per day for a room and

you

> check in on a Monday and check out on a Wednesday, how much money

do

> they want - is that two 'nights' so 2 times 20 k or is that
> three 'days' so 3 times 20k?
>
> Recently posters have said that you don't play on checkout day so
> you don't ruin your average. Are the casinos stupid enough to

give

> someone that plays 20k, 20k, and 10k over three days/two nights
> less credit than someone that plays 20k, 20k , and nothing on the
> last day? Is it that easy - just don't play on that last day and

you

> reduce your requirement?
>
> What about not playing on the check 'in' day as well - will that
> work? Check in monday, play 20k on Tuesday an dcheck out on
> Wednesday?

It's hard to believe, but casinos at times can be more bureaucratic
than our beloved Feds.

The most enlightened casinos factor total trip play in rating you.
However, other casinos basically look at you as a drain on their
resources any given day that you're on their property. The worst of
these will systematically rate you in a manner that suggests if you
merely pop your player card into a kiosk on your last day, you're
expected to give them a full day's play or otherwise weaken your
rating for that trip. For others, a late check-out is

sufficient ...

at yet others, merely checking out after the beginning of the gaming
day (e.g. 6am) will add a day to your trip and dilute your trip

average.

Getting a handle on these "rules" at a casino is a challenge. You'd
think they'd want to spell it out so that you'd play up to, and
according to, their expectations. Instead, the whole thing is often
treated as a trade secret, entrusted only to the most worthy

insiders.

Ask 3 hosts the scoop and you're bound to get 3 different versions

of

the facts.

But a host is the best place to start in nailing the facts. Then

it's

time to start comparing notes with players you know who are active
there. Finally, if you're still wanting for a solid picture, drop a
note here asking for more info. I list posting last simply because

on

occasion it can produce as many versions as the hosts will offer up
(though more reliably). Hitting up people you know personally, ot

one

extent or another, is a stronger source.

- Harry

What does Harrahs do? Lately, I haven't played on the day I
checkout, but don't know if that's good or bad. When we play on my
wifes card (if hers got the room), I don't even put mine in a machine
to check my balance or into a kiosk to check for cashback. Just
trying to do what is the most advantageous to me at
Harrah's/Showboat/Rio/etc.

Ken

#4

I can assure you that the casinos ARE "stupid" enough to divide your
daily coin-in by the number of consecutive days that you PLAY at the
casino, NOT the number of consecutive days that you STAY at the
casino.

I know this to be true from my own experience.

The Silver Legacy, in Reno, is one casino that tracks play this way.
They require a daily coin-in average of at least $10,000 for VP (500
points) to achieve and maintain "Sterling" status. Since I come
from the mid-west, and usually arrive in the late afternoon and
depart in the morning, both the arrival and departure days allow for
much less playing time then the full days there.

I had quite a long time conversation with my host about this when I
realized that my recorded daily coin-in average was considerably
less than the 500-700 points that I KNEW I was accruing daily. I
knew how many points had registered, since they show up on the
monitor as they are earned, and a running tally is kept throughout
the day.

The host explained that any day, in which a card is inserted in the
card-reader, is counted as an ENTIRE day, even if you play for only
5 minutes!

If you check in at night, play for one hour before retiring, and
earn 100 points, then play 3 consecutive days, earning 500 points
each day, and finally play for an hour before leaving for the
airport, earning a final 100 points, your DAILY coin-in average will
be 340. They will divide your average by FIVE, even though you only
stayed at the hotel for FOUR nights. In other words, to
maintain "Sterling" status, you must earn at least 500 points
($10,000 coin-in at VP) on EVERY day that your card records that you
have played.

I complained about this to my host, and to the Slot Manager, to no
avail. Therefore, I concluded that, should I decide to stay at the
SL again, and if it really MATTERED to me to have the higher tier
status, I would not use my card the 1st or last day. Of course, not
inserting the card, precludes getting comp points credited to your
account.

What I've actually decided, is that the status level does NOT matter
to me very much. At the level that I am now playing, I get my room
comped (w/o point deduction) a limo (if I want one) and all meals
comped, from earned points.

I hope this helps you understand this (IMO) unfair system a little
better.

-Babe-

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bedioyscans2000" wrote:

If the info says a casino requires $25k per day for a room and you
check in on a Monday and check out on a Wednesday, how much money do
they want - is that two 'nights' so 2 times 20 k or is that
three 'days' so 3 times 20k?

Recently posters have said that you don't play on checkout day so
you don't ruin your average. Are the casinos stupid enough to give
someone that plays 20k, 20k, and 10k over three days/two nights
less credit than someone that plays 20k, 20k , and nothing on the
last day? Is it that easy - just don't play on that last day and you
reduce your requirement? ...........................

#5

<<What does Harrahs do? Lately, I haven't played on the day I checkout, but
don't know if that's good or bad. When we play on my wifes card (if hers
got the room), I don't even put mine in a machine to check my balance or
into a kiosk to check for cashback. Just trying to do what is the most
advantageous to me at Harrah's/Showboat/Rio/etc.>>

They charge you a play day for each calendar day you are checked into the
hotel.

Cogno

#6

My experience has been that when I play less often but have a higher daily average, my offers from Harrah's are better than when I play more often and have a lower coin in. The differences have been striking.
   
  Lainie

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Cogno Scienti <cognoscienti@gmail.com> wrote:
  <<What does Harrahs do? Lately, I haven't played on the day I checkout, but
don't know if that's good or bad. When we play on my wifes card (if hers
got the room), I don't even put mine in a machine to check my balance or
into a kiosk to check for cashback. Just trying to do what is the most
advantageous to me at Harrah's/Showboat/Rio/etc.>>

They charge you a play day for each calendar day you are checked into the
hotel.

Cogno

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#7

Not to beat a dead horse....but if you check in on a Sunday and check out on a Friday (that
is 6 days, but only 5 nights), is that considered 6 or 5 for a stay at Harrah's?

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...> wrote:

They charge you a play day for each calendar day you are checked into the
hotel.

Cogno

#8

<<Not to beat a dead horse....but if you check in on a Sunday and check out
on a Friday (that is 6 days, but only 5 nights), is that considered 6 or 5
for a stay at Harrah's?>>

Six.

Cogno

#9

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

<<Not to beat a dead horse....but if you check in on a Sunday and

check out

on a Friday (that is 6 days, but only 5 nights), is that considered

6 or 5

for a stay at Harrah's?>>

Six.

Cogno

I'm not sure, but it sounds like no matter what, they are going to
average you on how many calendaer days you are there, whether you
insert your card or not. I'm not yet convinced, but I guess me not
playing at all on the checkout day doesn't help, it actually hurts
me. By the way, after mignight is OK at harrahs, the time period for
a day runs from 6 am to 6 am.

Ken

#10

Harrahs Laughlin's day runs midnight to midnight.

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--- Ken <ken8631@aol.com> wrote:

By the way, after mignight is OK at harrahs,
the time period for
a day runs from 6 am to 6 am.

Ken

#11

Harrahs Laughlin's day runs midnight to midnight.

No, it doesn't. This is a common confusion which results from H'sL
using the midnight-to-midnight clock to determine if you have played
enough for Diamond-in-a-Day.

However, the play day for everything else is 6am to 6am. In actual
real-world experience, the daily clock changes to a new day at some
point during the interval between 5:30 am and 6:00 am. I have no idea
why the variation, but it's what happens.

brilly