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How are cards selected if not random deal on a VLT ???

#1

"VLT's as found in Washington and W. Virginia are "pulltab" equivalentgames. However, there's some discussion that they can also be drivenby "random" programming -- with a suggestion that this is true in NYstate. " I think you meant to say that Washington and New York are "pulltab" equivalent (or something similar that is not a random deal). West Virginia is a random deal. (Delaware as well is a random deal.)

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#2

I previously wrote:

"VLT's as found in Washington and W. Virginia are "pulltab"
equivalent games. However, there's some discussion that they can
also be drivenby "random" programming -- with a suggestion that this
is true in NYstate."

kelso 1600 replied:

I think you meant to say that Washington and New York are "pulltab"
equivalent (or something similar that is not a random deal). West
Virginia is a random deal. (Delaware as well is a random deal.)

Thanks for the correction -- I'm increasingly addled when I write off
the top of my head :wink:

Just to correct myself:

-- Washington State Indian Casino video poker is VLT based in the
traditional sense -- results are centrally determined and distributed
to the machine in advance of the deal akin to a pull tab.

-- West Virginia games are traditional fair and randomly dealt games
-- what you see is what you get in terms of the paytable. However,
because the state restricts game payout to 95%, and makes no allowance
for the fact that player skill (or lack thereof) will typically result
in a vp machine paying out less than optimum strategy, you won't see
decent paytables in WV.

-- Delaware machines are reported to be fair and the VLT designation
of these machines reflects only that they are operated under state
lottery authority. State statute does stipulate a max payout of 95%,
but provides for the Lottery Director to approve higher payouts as an
exception. I have no experience with the machines in DE.

I'd be most comfortable with gaming in DE were IGT machines in use --
ultimately there is no mistaking an IGT LV compliant machine from an
IGT VLT -- the VLT's use a "genie" to correct a player's hold when
it's not consistent with the pre-determined win. (WA state casinos
use a "match card" mechanism to accomplish the same thing). If other
equipment is in use I'd be cautious.

-- There appears to be little question that New York State machines
are not randomly dealt. In fact, an article on the Albany Law School
website discusses this, writing "If you make a playing decision that
costs you the payoff you should have gotten, the lantern or fairy or
genie appears to improve your hand and correct your result." I find
it interesting, however, that discussion of NY machines here hasn't
suggested this is the case. (See:
http://www.albanylaw.edu/media/user/glc/vlt_video_poker.pdf)

- Harry

#3

Harry is correct in that WV state law limits the payout to a max of
95%. The machines do appear to be random draw, as there are no genies,
or other gremlins, switching any cards.

There aren't that many video poker machines anyway. I didn't see any
in the racino in Wheeling, and the one in Charles Town has less than
10% of the machines with video poker, many of which are Game Kings.
All of the paytables are ugly, ugly. For example, there's a 25c Deuces
Wild game (1 to 20 coins, straight multiplier with no max coin RF
bonus) with a 1-2-2-3-4-10-15-25-220-700 paytable, which works out to
be a 94.972% (94.8561% using FPDW strategy) game. At least it's close
to what the state allows, and probably far better than the thousands of
slots that you see the majority of folks playing.

Bill

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

-- West Virginia games are traditional fair and randomly dealt games
-- what you see is what you get in terms of the paytable. However,
because the state restricts game payout to 95%, and makes no allowance
for the fact that player skill (or lack thereof) will typically result
in a vp machine paying out less than optimum strategy, you won't see
decent paytables in WV.