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Horseshoe paytable changes on 50/100 play machines

#1

Was at Horseshoe weekend of 10-11 Jan and noticed they had reduced the
pay tables on the Deuces Wild from 99.7 (NSUD) to about 97.5 from my
estimates. I was upset and talked with the floor super. You could walk
up and get a machine at any time on Saturday night and sunday 7 of 8
machines were empty. These were the 50 and 100 play machines.

I ended up playing poker and the table and got dealt 2 aces and 2 more
on the flop...think that was the best hand for weekend...

#2

That is certainly bad news. I wonder if the quarter and dollar machines have had their 9/6
JOB reduced. I have been waiting for this shoe to drop ever since the finalization of the
Harrah's sale and the devastation, across the board, in LV.

By the way, what did the floor super say, if anything?

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@...> wrote:

Was at Horseshoe weekend of 10-11 Jan and noticed they had reduced the
pay tables on the Deuces Wild from 99.7 (NSUD) to about 97.5 from my
estimates. I was upset and talked with the floor super.

#3

I was wondering how long before they would take to start cutting
games back? With all the business going under it has got to trickle
down to them. We have been getting a lot of phone offers now that we
both have Diamond cards... mostly room offers. Last one was room and
food? I will have to go cash the $340 bonus cash check that I earned
from the offer they sent last Dec., if not this week "fer sure", next
week and maybe pick up the Micasa Plate. Of course I'll do some
checking then. Thanks for the input all!

Hey, BL!
James & Ann

PS, maybe I'll send the posting along to the Rep. I was emailing to
to see what seh has to say,......?

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537"
<bornloser1537@...> wrote:

>
> Was at Horseshoe weekend of 10-11 Jan and noticed they had

reduced the

> pay tables on the Deuces Wild from 99.7 (NSUD) to about 97.5 from

my

> estimates. I was upset and talked with the floor super.

That is certainly bad news. I wonder if the quarter and dollar

machines have had their 9/6

JOB reduced. I have been waiting for this shoe to drop ever since

the finalization of the

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--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@> wrote:
Harrah's sale and the devastation, across the board, in LV.

By the way, what did the floor super say, if anything?

..... bl

#4

I'll be at the Horseshoe next week, but maybe someone can confirm before then if all the 50-100 play games were downgraded.

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--- On Tue, 1/13/09, annajam935 <annajam@wb4me.com> wrote:

From: annajam935 <annajam@wb4me.com>
Subject: [vpFREE_Louisiana] Re: Horseshoe paytable changes on 50/100 play machines
To: vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:36 AM

I was wondering how long before they would take to start cutting
games back? With all the business going under it has got to trickle
down to them. We have been getting a lot of phone offers now that we
both have Diamond cards... mostly room offers. Last one was room and
food? I will have to go cash the $340 bonus cash check that I earned
from the offer they sent last Dec., if not this week "fer sure", next
week and maybe pick up the Micasa Plate. Of course I'll do some
checking then. Thanks for the input all!

Hey, BL!
James & Ann

PS, maybe I'll send the posting along to the Rep. I was emailing to
to see what seh has to say,......?

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@ yahoogroups. com, "bornloser1537"
<bornloser1537@ ...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@ yahoogroups. com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@> wrote:
>
> Was at Horseshoe weekend of 10-11 Jan and noticed they had

reduced the

> pay tables on the Deuces Wild from 99.7 (NSUD) to about 97.5 from

my

> estimates. I was upset and talked with the floor super.

That is certainly bad news. I wonder if the quarter and dollar

machines have had their 9/6

JOB reduced. I have been waiting for this shoe to drop ever since

the finalization of the

Harrah's sale and the devastation, across the board, in LV.

By the way, what did the floor super say, if anything?

..... bl

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#5

I'll post if we go before then??
James

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I'll be�at the Horseshoe next week, but maybe someone can confirm before
then if all the 50-100 play games were downgraded.

--- On Tue, 1/13/09, annajam935 <annajam@wb4me.com> wrote:

From: annajam935 <annajam@wb4me.com>
Subject: [vpFREE_Louisiana] Re: Horseshoe paytable changes on 50/100 play
machines
To: vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:36 AM

I was wondering how long before they would take to start cutting
games back? With all the business going under it has got to trickle
down to them. We have been getting a lot of phone offers now that we
both have Diamond cards... mostly room offers. Last one was room and
food? I will have to go cash the $340 bonus cash check that I earned
from the offer they sent last Dec., if not this week "fer sure", next
week and maybe pick up the Micasa Plate. Of course I'll do some
checking then. Thanks for the input all!

Hey, BL!
James & Ann

PS, maybe I'll send the posting along to the Rep. I was emailing to
to see what seh has to say,......?

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@ yahoogroups. com, "bornloser1537"
<bornloser1537@ ...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@ yahoogroups. com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@> wrote:
>
> Was at Horseshoe weekend of 10-11 Jan and noticed they had

reduced the

> pay tables on the Deuces Wild from 99.7 (NSUD) to about 97.5 from

my

> estimates. I was upset and talked with the floor super.

That is certainly bad news. I wonder if the quarter and dollar

machines have had their 9/6

JOB reduced. I have been waiting for this shoe to drop ever since

the finalization of the

Harrah's sale and the devastation, across the board, in LV.

By the way, what did the floor super say, if anything?

..... bl

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#6

I was at the Horseshoe Dec 24-26, 2008. The pay tables have been changed on the 50 play. The Jacks or better or no longer 9-6 they have been changed to 8-5. The Dueces wild was only paying 100 coins for a wild royal and it was 125. Lots of players were complaining but what can you do? I didn't check the $ machines to see if they had any 9-6 Jacks left. I planning a trip the end of this month and will look then. I have been going to the Shoe for a long time and still think it's the best casino. James I hope you fine some good pay tables.

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--- On Tue, 1/13/09, James Abbott <annajam@wb4me.com> wrote:

From: James Abbott <annajam@wb4me.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Louisiana] Re: Horseshoe paytable changes on 50/100 play machines
To: vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:35 AM

I'll post if we go before then??
James

I'll be at the Horseshoe next week, but maybe someone can confirm before
then if all the 50-100 play games were downgraded.

--- On Tue, 1/13/09, annajam935 <annajam@wb4me. com> wrote:

From: annajam935 <annajam@wb4me. com>
Subject: [vpFREE_Louisiana] Re: Horseshoe paytable changes on 50/100 play
machines
To: vpFREE_Louisiana@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:36 AM

I was wondering how long before they would take to start cutting
games back? With all the business going under it has got to trickle
down to them. We have been getting a lot of phone offers now that we
both have Diamond cards... mostly room offers. Last one was room and
food? I will have to go cash the $340 bonus cash check that I earned
from the offer they sent last Dec., if not this week "fer sure", next
week and maybe pick up the Micasa Plate. Of course I'll do some
checking then. Thanks for the input all!

Hey, BL!
James & Ann

PS, maybe I'll send the posting along to the Rep. I was emailing to
to see what seh has to say,......?

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@ yahoogroups. com, "bornloser1537"
<bornloser1537@ ...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@ yahoogroups. com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@> wrote:
>
> Was at Horseshoe weekend of 10-11 Jan and noticed they had

reduced the

> pay tables on the Deuces Wild from 99.7 (NSUD) to about 97.5 from

my

> estimates. I was upset and talked with the floor super.

That is certainly bad news. I wonder if the quarter and dollar

machines have had their 9/6

JOB reduced. I have been waiting for this shoe to drop ever since

the finalization of the

Harrah's sale and the devastation, across the board, in LV.

By the way, what did the floor super say, if anything?

..... bl

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#7

>> > estimates. I was upset and talked with the floor super.
>>
>> That is certainly bad news. I wonder if the quarter and dollar
> machines have had their 9/6
>> JOB reduced. I have been waiting for this shoe to drop ever since
> the finalization of the
>> Harrah's sale and the devastation, across the board, in LV.
>>
>> By the way, what did the floor super say, if anything?
>>
>> ..... bl

The floor manager was not very helpful, but I left my name and phone
number, along with my diamond number if he wanted to talk at a later
date.

He stated they dont make any money on the vp at these pay tables
thats why they were changed. He also stated that they had a reduction
in staff so people winning jackpots were going to have to wait longer
to get paid.

Looks like the thrill is gone...may be the last of my diamond card.
Just hope they do not take away the diamond. ha ha...

#8

The other machines of interest at HS are, of course, the 5-line 9/6 JOB quarter machines on
the 2nd level. Any information on them would be appreciated as well.

Thanks.

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, Larry Lofton <larryl311@...> wrote:

I planning a trip the end of this month and will look then. I have been going to the Shoe for

a long time and still think it's the best casino. James I hope you fine some good pay tables.

#9

It's also difficult to make any money on vp if nobody plays the
machines because the pay tables are so awful.

EE

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--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@...> wrote:

He stated they dont make any money on the vp at these pay tables
thats why they were changed...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

#10

Sorry Guys! Won't make it over till next week, got dentist and Dr.
stuff to follow up on. Who ever make it frist please post their
finding.... we all be very interested!
I guess the complaint I made last year were just a little premature!?
To bad to, cause I feel the other will follow Harrah's lead.... but
we'll see? I was hoping that since Ann had just earned her diamond
card we'd have a good year both playing! That the way it goes!?? We
will make a day trip over to check for ourselves next Wednesday, but
just a day trip. No overnighters till I decide it is worth it to me?
Of course, this turn of events may only run off the better player...
and the Lord knows they have plenty of the other kind to fill in the
spaces? Might help them out in the short run?
Well, enough wining?
James

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537"
<bornloser1537@...> wrote:

The other machines of interest at HS are, of course, the 5-line 9/6

JOB quarter machines on

the 2nd level. Any information on them would be appreciated as

well.

Thanks.

..... bl

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, Larry Lofton <larryl311@>

wrote:

>
> I planning a trip the end of this month and will look then. I

have been going to the Shoe for

a long time and still think it's the best casino. James I hope you

fine some good pay tables.

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#11

Thanks, for your words, James. I hope that all goes well with your medical situation(s).

There is no rush for this HS information, at least not for me. We have a trip to Las Vegas in
the works over Super Bowl weekend and then another trip to LV at the end of March. With
the slashing of the 50/100 line pay tables at HS, we will not be contemplating a Bossier trip
until things clear up. Maybe the single line $1 machines have been left untouched.

..... BL.

#12

Just Check ups, but thanks, BL!
Hope you all have a safe a profitable trip. Say hello to my money while in
Vegas,Ha!
If they cut too deep, I'll either play else where or stay home and go back
to buying Lotto tickets. At least with those I don't spend anywhere near
as much! And, can do the bulk of my gambling from my seat at the computer,
well after I buy my tickets anyway. I've found I can buy one year tickets
by phone from Mass. ( where my sibling live). That will give me something
to do all year, and who knows maybe I'll have a hit to pay back what I
spent.. or better.

BL wrote:
Thanks, for your words, James. I hope that all goes well with your

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medical situation(s).

There is no rush for this HS information, at least not for me. We have a
trip to Las Vegas in
the works over Super Bowl weekend and then another trip to LV at the end
of March. With
the slashing of the 50/100 line pay tables at HS, we will not be
contemplating a Bossier trip
until things clear up. Maybe the single line $1 machines have been left
untouched.

..... BL.

#13

There the rub, they will always have people that don't know any
better, playing! If you have ever stood and watched other play you
will know what I mean. Example: In one tournament a lady was playing
the VP machine as a slot.... never held a card?

Or those people that switch from game to game to game? Maybe they
know what there playing and play all those games well... however I
have my doubts!?
Of course these are just my opinions, and we'll see if cutting out
the better player makes any difference to their bottom line? Even at
these pay tables (9/6 JB; NSD; and 8/5 bonus to name a few) these
games are losing games, and I've lost most of the year. The last few
trip we managed a few small wins... not near as much as I lost
though? So unless you all are holding out on me and are big winners
every trip ;-), they have to be making money off even most of the
better players... don't you think? Their traffic will undoubtedly
drop with the cuts, well at least with VP player in the know!???

We'll see how it goes. Even Sam's Town has a few $1.00 9/6 JB so
maybe some dollar stuff will linger?
James

--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@...>
wrote:

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--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@> wrote:
>
> He stated they dont make any money on the vp at these pay tables
> thats why they were changed...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It's also difficult to make any money on vp if nobody plays the
machines because the pay tables are so awful.

EE

#14

The floor manager was not very helpful, but I left my name and phone
number, along with my diamond number if he wanted to talk at a later
date.

He stated they dont make any money on the vp at these pay tables
thats why they were changed. He also stated that they had a reduction
in staff so people winning jackpots were going to have to wait longer
to get paid.

Looks like the thrill is gone...may be the last of my diamond card.
Just hope they do not take away the diamond. ha ha...

I wonder if the gentleman who played NSUD on two of the 100-plays at a
time for hours each session prompted the suits to evaluate the play and
conclude that they were not profitable. The wisdom, and possible down
side, of playing 2 machines at once has been discussed rather
thoroughly on the main VPFree site. Perhaps we are seeing another
example of why not to do it.

#15

It is possible, I guess? Do two machine give twice the win or twice
the loss? Hehe!?? Well, will we be seeing him after this???
James
— In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "ozymandias77096" <ugwf@…>
wrote:

>
> The floor manager was not very helpful, but I left my name and

phone

> number, along with my diamond number if he wanted to talk at a

later

> date.
>
> He stated they dont make any money on the vp at these pay tables
> thats why they were changed. He also stated that they had a

reduction

> in staff so people winning jackpots were going to have to wait

longer

> to get paid.
>
> Looks like the thrill is gone...may be the last of my diamond

card.

> Just hope they do not take away the diamond. ha ha...
>

I wonder if the gentleman who played NSUD on two of the 100-plays

at a

time for hours each session prompted the suits to evaluate the play

and

conclude that they were not profitable. The wisdom, and possible

down

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side, of playing 2 machines at once has been discussed rather
thoroughly on the main VPFree site. Perhaps we are seeing another
example of why not to do it.

#16

I know exactly who you mean. I've seen him there for hours on end just about every trip we
made to Bossier City.

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "ozymandias77096" <ugwf@...> wrote:

I wonder if the gentleman who played NSUD on two of the 100-plays at a
time for hours each session prompted the suits to evaluate the play and
conclude that they were not profitable.

#17

With NSUD, adding the Bossier HS cashback (.25%) and the Harrah's tier points (0.10%), it
becomes a positive game (yes, yes, yes, barely, and only if you play long enough and correct
enough). Playing 2 machines increases the number of games that you play per hour and
"ups" your return under those circumstances, over the long term. At 100 lines per pull you
are playing a lot of hands, with very low volatility.

He was playing $25 per pull on two machines. I am sure that he was playing near perfect in
that he would comment from time to time on my making proper holds and telling me that
most people do not understand the finer points of the NSUD strategy and make mistakes all
the time.

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "annajam935" <annajam@...> wrote:

Do two machine give twice the win or twice
the loss?
James

#18

Need to add in the free rooms that HS or H provides as part of the
paybacks and the great food and drinks(?) at the DL…I had put a lot
of time on the computer playing NSUD so,I do make some mistakes,but
not many…they took that away from me…my wife usually gave some
(most) of it back playing the slots…

Ran some scenarios with the new pay tables (not pretty)...and I think
more lotto tickets are going to be purchased. Like someone
mentioned...ha ha...

With NSUD, adding the Bossier HS cashback (.25%) and the Harrah's

tier points (0.10%), it

becomes a positive game (yes, yes, yes, barely, and only if you play

long enough and correct

enough). Playing 2 machines increases the number of games that you

play per hour and

"ups" your return under those circumstances, over the long term. At

100 lines per pull you

are playing a lot of hands, with very low volatility.

He was playing $25 per pull on two machines. I am sure that he was

playing near perfect in

#19

Larry Lofton wrote:

I was at the Horseshoe Dec 24-26, 2008. The pay tables have been
changed on the 50 play. The Jacks or better or no longer 9-6 they
have been changed to 8-5 ...

Anyone know if the 100 play 9/6 JoB were downgraded also,
and were the other 50/100 games that are in the DataBase
downgraded?

http://members.cox.net/vp_free/G_HORS.htm

Thanks,

vpFae
vpFREE DataBase Coordinator
vpFae@Cox.net
vpFae_at_Cox.net

#20

Sounds like a plan!

I really didn't lose last year because it was just a theoretical
loss? Some how I always go back to... If it looks like a skunk, walks
like skunk and smells like a skunk?? Don't be a poking it!
Thinks he's funny don't he?
But, I guess I am just on the wrong side of that curve? I'll bet if
they went through the trouble to change some of the games they
changed all of them, in the same machine? Can't wait to check it out!

Well at least the Lotto requires less driving, etc. I don't have to
pack and unpack and breath all that smoke. The only booze sloped on
the key board I have to put up with, I have the distinct pleasure of
doing myself! See, if you think real hard...? Ooo! that hurts! You to
can come up with benifits to this change at "The Boats"?

I Hope your first hand is a Rolay Flush!

James

A--- In vpFREE_Louisiana@yahoogroups.com, "likeawv" <ksvaty@...>
wrote:

Need to add in the free rooms that HS or H provides as part of the
paybacks and the great food and drinks(?) at the DL...I had put a

lot

of time on the computer playing NSUD so,I do make some

mistakes,but

not many...they took that away from me...my wife usually gave some
(most) of it back playing the slots...

Ran some scenarios with the new pay tables (not pretty)...and I

think

more lotto tickets are going to be purchased. Like someone
mentioned...ha ha...

> With NSUD, adding the Bossier HS cashback (.25%) and the Harrah's
tier points (0.10%), it
> becomes a positive game (yes, yes, yes, barely, and only if you

play

long enough and correct
> enough). Playing 2 machines increases the number of games that

you

play per hour and
> "ups" your return under those circumstances, over the long term.

At

100 lines per pull you
> are playing a lot of hands, with very low volatility.
>
> He was playing $25 per pull on two machines. I am sure that he

was

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playing near perfect in