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JH1 · January 14, 2020, 7:06pm

awwwww. . . . and this was my reading excitment for the week!
Jean H--

Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!

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From: hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 12:56:36 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] A Week In The Life (formerly Re: Horseshoe "Bonus Poker")

I just heard that Paladin has officially been booted from VPFree.

VPFree definitely doesn't need any more posts from such a sharp, educated player. There's so many quality postings these days, who needs the input from a top 1% advantage player, right?

Now before anyone thinks I'm just sucking backside, I'll be the first to admit the mechanics of Pally's delivery could use some adjusting but he brings the heat and he knows how to keep it over the plate. He's an opening day type starter and those kinds are a rarety these days. Makes me wonder if Steinbrenner is now running this team.

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Bob4 · January 14, 2020, 7:06pm

No way! I didn't see anything that warranted him getting booted. Is this an April 6th joke?

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I just heard that Paladin has officially been booted from VPFree.

Howard_Stern · January 14, 2020, 7:06pm

Note: I am the vpfree monitor for the Majestic Star in the NW corner of IN
and all the games I mentioned exist (Except the BP Deluxe game which was
downgraded to 7-5 jacks.) at the Majestic Star.

When Ameristar (Gary IN) was still Harrah's they used to have a bank of $1
double bonus with no pay table at all posted for hands below 4 of a kind.
(Turned out to be 9-6 97.8%.) Same was true for a $1 7-5 bonus poker
progressive at Harrah's St. Louis. Some old pre "Game King" IGT games could
not display more than ten pay lines. Does not seem kosher, does it? How
they usually handled this was a sticker with the rest of the pay table was
attached to the top of the glass on every machine. Empress and Harrah's in
Joliet IL did this. (Empress had full pay 10-7 with a progressive for $1 and
25c. Sadly, these are LONG gone.)

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Jan Spornhauer
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:22 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Horseshoe "Bonus Poker"

Different pay tables for the same V/P game and denomination are almost in
every casino you go to. Sometimes two machines side by side have different
pay tables for the same game/denomination. It's the players' responsibility
to make sure that they know pay tables before playing game.

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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Horseshoe "Bonus Poker"

This is actually very common I think. Palms, which is pretty much the gold
standard of vp in vegas has games with the same name and different payouts.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Knit30@aol.com <mailto:Knit30%40aol.com> <mailto:Knit30%40aol.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:54:45
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Horseshoe "Bonus Poker"

Thanks to everyone for all your responses. I think it was actually 8/5/30,
and I was paid 150 coins for all 4Ks. I remember thinking it was just a few
credits more than JOB pays.

I know it's my fault for ignorance and unintentional negligence. Still, I
don't understand how a casino can advertise two different game products
under the same exact name and logo within the same house. That seems like it
would have to be against gaming commission rules. Seems like whatever passes
for "Bonus Poker" at one machine ought to appear as an identical game under
that name at another house machine, and if not, the two games should be
required to have different names. If this isn't a rule, I think it should
be. Does anyone know? Or is it my ignorance and regret talking again?

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From: Howard W. Stern <howard.w.stern@
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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 6:52 pm
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Horseshoe "Bonus Poker"

8/5/35, 8/5/30 and 6/5/35 are common "jacks" versions called "bonus poker"
on IGT Game Kings. I have also seen a weird BP Deluxe paytable on 100 line
called "jacks or better". (Stranger still is that the bank of machines with
this also had 9/6 BP Deluxe.)

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[mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups. <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of
ukstages
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:35 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Horseshoe "Bonus Poker"

knowing that many folks simply check the full house and flush payouts, some
casinos take, um, 'liberties" with the pay tables. some casinos short the
royal to 2500 coins on some games. others have been known to short the
4OAKs.

but this is a pretty extreme case, wherein the game you describe barely has
the characteristics mostly commonly associated with it. if you are certain
that the game you were playing was labelled "bonus poker" and you are
certain that there were no bonus quads or aces payouts... then you may have
a legitimate beef. you can bring it to the attention of the slot supervisor
and, if not satisfied with the answer you get, you can even ask the IGC to
look into it.

but please note: a payout of 135 coins is indeed more than you would get in
jacks, so - technically - i'd have to say that could be considered a "bonus"
quad, even if it is far less than you would normally expect to get in a game
called "bonus poker." that being said, i've never seen a pay table for
"bonus poker" with a pay out as low as that, nor one that didn't have
special payouts for aces or low quads, so i'm truly puzzled.

in any case, is shorting the 4OAK legal?

sadly, i believe it is... if the pay table clearly stated what the payouts
were.

there are at least a dozen different variations of the game commonly known
as deuces wild, but only a few of them are worth playing. but every casino
still calls their inferior versions "deuces wild."

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<mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , Knit30@...
wrote:

...The machines there clearly showed the same "Bonus Poker" icon that the

machines upstairs sport, with the same 8/5 pay table (or so I thought). I
only looked for the 8/5 designations and it wasn't until I hit 4 aces and
was paid 135 credits that I realized the game I was playing was NOT Bonus
Poker, or not any game I know of to be called so... I should have checked
the whole pay table. But it still doesn't seem right that Harrah's was
allowed to use a tactic like this...

...How common an experience is this? Is it ethical/legally allowed for a

casino to use the same game name and game selection icon ("Bonus Poker") for
two completely different games on 2 GameKing machines within the same
house?...

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Laura_Polley · January 14, 2020, 7:06pm

Thanks again to everyone. Live and learn. I don't need to be warned about casino deception, though. I used to work as a dealer and am about to take it up again with a new job. Tricks of the business are no news to me. Just never heard about this one since I didn't work with machines, but with table games.

Laura

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From: Howard W. Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 6:56 pm
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Horseshoe "Bonus Poker"