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Hollywood Cashback

#1

Hollywood Casino has the most complex cashback system in Tunica. Not
only do they have two tiers for players, they have four levels set on
various machines.

As the last GS post said, it takes 800 points ($16,000 Coin In) to
get Marquee status, and that is well worth the effort. As you know,
Marquee points yield 50% more CB than Screen Test points.
The "effort" for a quarter player is 32 hours on 9-6 JoB at 400 hands
an hour, which is about all you can do on the old single-line
machines. The cost is negligible, as you are playing at very close to
breakeven.

As to the machine conversion settings, the sucker machines (penny
through quarter multidenom.) are worst. I am too lazy to reproduce
the entire table, but regular old quarter machines yield 0.417% for
Screen Test and 0.5% for Marquee players. Fifty cent machines give
about 0.1% more. The dollar machines are at two levels, as I
mentioned under GS.

#2

mness7072 wrote:

Hollywood Casino has the most complex cashback system in Tunica. Not
only do they have two tiers for players, they have four levels set on
various machines.

As the last GS post said, ...

? What is a "GS post"? I'm not trying to be a smart ass; I just don't know, and I can't find "GS" listed in the VPFree Glossary. I notice that you use this reference again at the conclusion of your post, below. It's probably something that is really obvious, but please be patient with me. Some times I can be REAL slow to catch on. :frowning:

it takes 800 points ($16,000 Coin In) to
get Marquee status, and that is well worth the effort.

I can definitely see where it will be worth it. I don't know how many I've accumulated, but I'll bet I'm getting close to that. Maybe just a few more trips will do it. How do you find out this stuff, other than asking at the slot club desk? It seems that whenever I go there there are other people in line, and I don't want to hold it up with a lot of questions.

By the way, I'll probably have to continue playing quarters, which give only 1 point for $30.00 coin in, so it will take $24,000.00 coin-in to reach 800 points. ... Or is there another way that Hollywood calculates this for purposes of determining tier.

As you know,
Marquee points yield 50% more CB than Screen Test points.
The "effort" for a quarter player is 32 hours on 9-6 JoB at 400 hands
an hour, which is about all you can do on the old single-line
machines. The cost is negligible, as you are playing at very close to
breakeven.

As to the machine conversion settings, the sucker machines (penny
through quarter multidenom.) are worst. I am too lazy to reproduce
the entire table, but regular old quarter machines yield 0.417% for
Screen Test and 0.5% for Marquee players. Fifty cent machines give
about 0.1% more. The dollar machines are at two levels, as I
mentioned under GS.

This is what I meant earlier about the 'GS' reference. And as for your statement ... "reproduce the entire table" ... is there a table somewhere -- perhaps available through Hollywood? -- that gives details? Also, I don't understand your statement that "regular old quarter machines yield 0.417% for
Screen Test and 0.5% for Marquee players", because I thought we were in agreement that Screen Test players received .33%, so where did the .417% figure come from.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I just want to be sure that I understand this, because Hollywood has been our main casino for awhile, and unless someone recommends something better, we'll probably keep on going there.

Thanks for any info and other help.

Bill Velek

#3

--- In vpFREE_Tunica@yahoogroups.com, Bill Velek <billvelek@a...>
wrote:

? What is a "GS post"?

Sorry, that is short for Gold Strike. I was referring to the Gold
Strike thread above, which had drifted on to Hollywood.

How do you find out this stuff, other than asking at the slot club

desk?

I ask at the slot club desk, or sometimes a host. Everybody waits.
Take the turn you've earned.

... quarters, which give only 1 point for $30.00 coin in...

By my notes, the countdown on regular quarter machines is 96, or $24
per point. For Screen Test 10 pts --> $1 cashback, so the overall CB
% = $1 CB/(10 x $24 In) = 0.416666%. When you insert a Marquee card
the countdown is 120 ($30) so the CB% = 1.5/300 = 0.5% These numbers
are all lower for the quarter games on the multidenomination machines.

If you list out all the machine and denomination variations for both
Screen Test and Marquee levels, you can construct a table with all
the results. I worked up a spreadsheet that adds the appropriate CB
to the game return to create a "Total Return" column so one can
compare machines and games apples to apples. But if you play quarters
exclusively, I think you have all the information you need.

#4

mness7072 wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Tunica@yahoogroups.com, Bill Velek <billvelek@a...>
wrote:

> ? What is a "GS post"?

Sorry, that is short for Gold Strike.

I told you I'm not always too sharp. I should have caught that, but I had already deleted those 'GS' posts.

snip

By my notes, the countdown on regular quarter machines is 96, or $24
per point. For Screen Test 10 pts --> $1 cashback, so the overall CB
% = $1 CB/(10 x $24 In) = 0.416666%. When you insert a Marquee card
the countdown is 120 ($30) so the CB% = 1.5/300 = 0.5% These numbers
are all lower for the quarter games on the multidenomination machines.

If you list out all the machine and denomination variations for both
Screen Test and Marquee levels, you can construct a table with all
the results. I worked up a spreadsheet that adds the appropriate CB
to the game return to create a "Total Return" column so one can
compare machines and games apples to apples. But if you play quarters
exclusively, I think you have all the information you need.

Thanks. Just for clarification, when I put my "Screen Test:" card into a quarter JoB-9/6 single-play machine, the countdown starts at 120 for me. When you said that it is 96 for regular quarter machines, could it be that this is for Marquee cards, or for slots or vp other than JoB-9/6? It has always been 120 for me as long as I can remember, and I was just there a few weeks ago.

Thanks.

Bill Velek

#5

when I put my "Screen Test:" card into a quarter JoB-9/6 single-

play machine, the countdown starts at 120

I don't know. My card went Marquee almost a year ago, so my notes on
Screen Test are a bit old. I guess I will have to locate a virgin
Screen Test card and experiment. Could it be that you went Marquee
and didn't know it?

Marsha

#6

Well, my bounce-back has always been just .33% and hasn't changed that
I've ever noticed. I know that the counter always starts (or eventually
resets) at 120, which is $30.00 per point on a quarter machine, and that
I only collect $5.00 when I've accumulated 50 points. Sounds like I'm
still a "Screen Test" baby :frowning:

Thanks for all your help.

Bill Velek

mness7072 wrote:

> when I put my "Screen Test:" card into a quarter JoB-9/6 single-
play machine, the countdown starts at 120

I don't know. My card went Marquee almost a year ago, so my notes on
Screen Test are a bit old. I guess I will have to locate a virgin
Screen Test card and experiment. Could it be that you went Marquee
and didn't know it?

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#7

I believe you. I will use a brand new screen test card to update the
numbers on Tunica-VP.com before Friday.

Hollywood's overall package is still a good one. Marquee is worth it.
Harrah's has some good VP for Tunica, and very comfortable beds, but
you must have already heard that the comps have been cut back pretty
severely. Fitzgerald's is also good for quarter players and I hear
their comps are fairly generous. If you like Double Bonus, you may be
able to survive at the Grand. On Tuesdays you can get a few points in
at the Gold Strike, but only on two machines. Sheraton has some of
the new machines (50-play, Spin Poker and Multi Strike) with a couple
of decent games in low denominations, but I hate their beds.

How's that for a thumbnail sketch? Any more would be a book.

BTW, I am a local. I am down there a couple days a week or more.

#8

You are correct. On the .25 9/6 JOB, the countdown starts at 120 ($30 for a point). On the $1 9/6 JOB, count down starts at 25. At Screen Test level, the .25 JOB earns .33 cb and the 1.00 JOB earns .4 cb. At Marquee level, the .25 JOB earns .5 cb and the 1.00 JOB earns .6. There is one bank of 6 of the .25 9/6 JOB and a bank of 5 of the 1.00 9/6 JOB.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Velek
  To: vpFREE_Tunica@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Tunica] Re: Hollywood Cashback

  Well, my bounce-back has always been just .33% and hasn't changed that
  I've ever noticed. I know that the counter always starts (or eventually
  resets) at 120, which is $30.00 per point on a quarter machine, and that
  I only collect $5.00 when I've accumulated 50 points. Sounds like I'm
  still a "Screen Test" baby :frowning:

  Thanks for all your help.

  Bill Velek

  mness7072 wrote:

  > > when I put my "Screen Test:" card into a quarter JoB-9/6 single-
  > play machine, the countdown starts at 120
  >
  > I don't know. My card went Marquee almost a year ago, so my notes on
  > Screen Test are a bit old. I guess I will have to locate a virgin
  > Screen Test card and experiment. Could it be that you went Marquee
  > and didn't know it?

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#9

I can definitely see where it will be worth it. I don't know how

many

I've accumulated, but I'll bet I'm getting close to that. Maybe

just a

few more trips will do it. How do you find out this stuff, other

than

asking at the slot club desk? It seems that whenever I go there

there

are other people in line, and I don't want to hold it up with a lot

of

questions.

Hey Bill, call Hollywood : 800-871-0711. Ask for Christian in VIP.
He's my host. He'd be happy to check for you. I know hosts can 'bump'
status at Hollywood if you've given them decent action in the past.

In Tunica, comps are so easy, even heavy quarter players can get in
enough action to get attention from a host. I play about $7K per day
at Hollywood and I couldn't ask for better treatment (RFB!).

#10

hockeystl wrote:

> I can definitely see where it will be worth it. I don't know how
many
> I've accumulated, but I'll bet I'm getting close to that. Maybe
just a
> few more trips will do it. How do you find out this stuff, other
than
> asking at the slot club desk? It seems that whenever I go there
there
> are other people in line, and I don't want to hold it up with a lot
of
> questions.

Hey Bill, call Hollywood : 800-871-0711. Ask for Christian in VIP.
He's my host. He'd be happy to check for you. I know hosts can 'bump'
status at Hollywood if you've given them decent action in the past.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I have always used a very nice fellow by the name of Tim Cornelius as my host at Hollywood; he has always managed to fix us up with a free room when we ask, although I've never tried to get the free food that goes with the room and the chance to go to the high-roller lounge -- I _KNOW_ that that is all out of my league. We just get the free room for just one night and make two day trips about half the time, and the other half of the time we just make single-day trips because we can't stay the night for other reasons. We don't worry about the food part because we always get discretionary comps for the buffet. But I _will_ make it a point to check on how close I am to Marquee status because of the increased cash back.

What is the typical bounce-back for Marquee? I've been getting $10.00 checks most of the time each month, but of course we don't go _every_ month, so they don't all get cashed. Too far to drive unless we can make at least a full day of it. I think that's pretty good considering that it's for only maybe an average of about $3K coin-in, if I average the 1-day and 2-day trips. I figure that my bounce-back is probably close to my cash-back percentage, but I could be wrong. Is there a rule of thumb for bounce-back?

In Tunica, comps are so easy, even heavy quarter players can get in
enough action to get attention from a host. I play about $7K per day
at Hollywood and I couldn't ask for better treatment (RFB!).

I guess I'll reach that level when I start taking a bigger session stake. As it is, I start full-coin and play as long as I am comfortable with my stake not becoming exhausted too fast; if I am having a real bad time and money is going down the drain, I will switch to short-coin, and it takes a long-time to amass the points. But if I make it to Marquee and start getting a nicer cash-back, I will make it a point to take a larger stake each time so I can take full advantage of a more positive opportunity.

Thanks for the info.

Bill Velek