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Holding a wild royal or going for the "real thing" on a 100-play machine

#1

I know that basic strategy should be the same for a hundred-play
machine as it is for a single-play machine. The other day I went to
the Riviera and sat down at a penny 100-play DW machine and my first
hand was a dealt royal with deuces. I looked on the Wizard's site
appropriate to keep it or to drop the deuce (heh) and go for the full
royal. He's got a wild Royal at a value of 25, and 4-to-a-Royal at
3.404. However, it seems to me that on a hundred play machine,
you're essentially going to get two Royals on average (based on 48
remaining cards in the deck, and an equal chance of any of them
coming up), six wild royals, six straights, and eighteen flushes.
And depending on what card you're missing, I suppose two potential
straight flushes. So it'd be a lot smaller of a difference in payout
between those two choices.

I don't know what the paytable was on this machine because I was just
looking to kill some time with someone who wanted the machine next to
it, but I know it paid 20 for a wild Royal, so I assume it was the
standard Deuces Wild paytable. That gives us a guaranteed 10000
credit win (holding the dealt wild royal) compared to a theoretical
(8000 + 600 + 60 + 180 + 90) = 8930 payout.

Is it just because of the crappy paytable on the penny machine I was
playing that's causing such a difference? Seems like 4-to-a-royal
should have a significantly higher theoretical than it does. I'm
guessing I made the right move but I also figure that there's the
potential for more than two Royals to have come up, giving a much
higher payout.

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from my cellphone real quick because I didn't know if it'd be

#2

The crappiness of the machine made the difference less
than normal. A wild Royal normally pays 25 coins,
which would have given you a guaranteed 12500 coins.
You can only evaluate your decision based on
probabilities not on possibilities. This is what you
did and you came to the correct conclusion and action.

Regards
A.P.

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--- Will <will@express-pc.com> wrote:

I know that basic strategy should be the same for a
hundred-play
machine as it is for a single-play machine. The
other day I went to
the Riviera and sat down at a penny 100-play DW
machine and my first
hand was a dealt royal with deuces. I looked on the
Wizard's site
from my cellphone real quick because I didn't know
if it'd be
appropriate to keep it or to drop the deuce (heh)
and go for the full
royal. He's got a wild Royal at a value of 25, and
4-to-a-Royal at
3.404. However, it seems to me that on a hundred
play machine,
you're essentially going to get two Royals on
average (based on 48
remaining cards in the deck, and an equal chance of
any of them
coming up), six wild royals, six straights, and
eighteen flushes.
And depending on what card you're missing, I suppose
two potential
straight flushes. So it'd be a lot smaller of a
difference in payout
between those two choices.

I don't know what the paytable was on this machine
because I was just
looking to kill some time with someone who wanted
the machine next to
it, but I know it paid 20 for a wild Royal, so I
assume it was the
standard Deuces Wild paytable. That gives us a
guaranteed 10000
credit win (holding the dealt wild royal) compared
to a theoretical
(8000 + 600 + 60 + 180 + 90) = 8930 payout.

Is it just because of the crappy paytable on the
penny machine I was
playing that's causing such a difference? Seems
like 4-to-a-royal
should have a significantly higher theoretical than
it does. I'm
guessing I made the right move but I also figure
that there's the
potential for more than two Royals to have come up,
giving a much
higher payout.

#3

Four to a natural royal is worth a hell of a lot more than three bets.
It's worth something like 19 bets, depending on the paytable. However,
even a crap paytable (like on your penny 100-play machine) will pay 20
for a wild royal. So rarely, if ever, and not in this case, would it
be proper strategy to dump the deuce and go for it.