I was very fortunate last year at Caesar’s properties. I hit 4 RF’s at the $5 denomination at 3 different locations. One was at Caesar’s Palace in LV and the others were outside Vegas. While I still have good offers at the non-Vegas properties, CP has greatly reduced my FP offers. I am seven star and previously got $750 free play offers at CP, now only $50! Did winning 20k cause my offers to decrease? I have heard that Vegas doesn’t like winners but this is short sighted if true. Now other more generous properties are getting my VP action, not Caesar’s Palace.
Hitting royals decreases free play offers?
Reducing free play offers and/or eliminating monthly mailers has been a growing trend in Las Vegas for the past few years. In my experience, most noticably South Point, Stations and Boyd properties.
Don the Dentist
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I was very fortunate last year at Caesar's properties. I hit 4 RF's at the $5 denomination at 3 different locations. One was at Caesar's Palace in LV and the others were outside Vegas. While I still have good offers at the non-Vegas properties, CP has greatly reduced my FP offers. I am seven star and previously got $750 free play offers at CP, now only $50! Did winning 20k cause my offers to decrease? I have heard that Vegas doesn't like winners but this is short sighted if true. Now other more generous properties are getting my VP action, not Caesar's Palace.
Many casinos are now employing the “hit a taxable, get backed off” strategy, which is why you should at least adjust your strategy to get less of them and more of the “less troublesome” payouts, before the inevitable backoff occurs.
Caesars LV has cut the theoretical on video poker to almost zero. That is probably affecting your offers more than the win.
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 06:40:21 -0800
Subject: [vpFREE] Hitting royals decreases free play offers?
I was very fortunate last year at Caesar’s properties. I hit 4 RF’s at the $5 denomination at 3 different locations. One was at Caesar’s Palace in LV and the others were outside Vegas. While I still have good offers at the non-Vegas properties, CP has greatly reduced my FP offers. I am seven star and previously got $750 free play offers at CP, now only $50! Did winning 20k cause my offers to decrease? I have heard that Vegas doesn’t like winners but this is short sighted if true. Now other more generous properties are getting my VP action, not Caesar’s Palace.
Well, my wife and I are low Diamonds. At Rincon CA. in 2013 we were getting $35.00 to $40.00 in free play. Last Nov. I hit a $1K royal playing 8/5 BP at the .25 cent level. My free play for January and Feb. went down to $15.00,
I was surprised too. This does not pay for gas money to go there anymore. John
Are you sure your daily average didn’t go down? That’s about all that matters at Rincon. They no mail players that try to circumvent the system by pulling their card after downloading free play.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 4:50 PM, <johnhun…@…com> wrote:
Well, my wife and I are low Diamonds. At Rincon CA. in 2013 we were getting $35.00 to $40.00 in free play. Last Nov. I hit a $1K royal playing 8/5 BP at the .25 cent level. My free play for January and Feb. went down to $15.00,
I hit 3 RF’s last year at a strip casino. I’ve been no-mailed.
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I was very fortunate last year at Caesar’s properties. I hit 4 RF’s at the $5 denomination at 3 different locations. One was at Caesar’s Palace in LV and the others were outside Vegas. While I still have good offers at the non-Vegas properties, CP has greatly reduced my FP offers. I am seven star and previously got $750 free play offers at CP, now only $50! Did winning 20k cause my offers to decrease? I have heard that Vegas doesn’t like winners but this is short sighted if true. Now other more generous properties are getting my VP action, not Caesar’s Palace.
My mailers at Rincon last year were based almost entirely on results, not daily coinin. I had a daily average under $1,000 coinin for two consecutive months with 20+ visits each month and was still getting $1000+ in free play because I was losing. Couple months later I had five straight visits in the $4k to $8k per day range, but hit multiple 25c Royals and my mailers went to nothing.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvppla…@…com> wrote:
Are you sure your daily average didn’t go down? That’s about all that matters at Rincon. They no mail players that try to circumvent the system by pulling their card after downloading free play.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 4:50 PM, <johnhun…@…com> wrote:
Well, my wife and I are low Diamonds. At Rincon CA. in 2013 we were getting $35.00 to $40.00 in free play. Last Nov. I hit a $1K royal playing 8/5 BP at the .25 cent level. My free play for January and Feb. went down to $15.00,
Interesting. My Rincon mailers have always pretty much mirrored a 3 month daily average (perhaps ADT) 1 month removed, despite winning or losing. (ie February mailer based on Oct/Nov/Dec play). Before they changed FP to an 8 AM start time, most pros would only play between Wednesday 6 AM and Thursday 5:59 AM every 2 weeks so they could get two weeks worth of free play but all their play on one casino day to maximize ADT.
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On Feb 5, 2014, at 8:42 PM, C <clement…@…com> wrote:
My mailers at Rincon last year were based almost entirely on results, not daily coinin. I had a daily average under $1,000 coinin for two consecutive months with 20+ visits each month and was still getting $1000+ in free play because I was losing. Couple months later I had five straight visits in the $4k to $8k per day range, but hit multiple 25c Royals and my mailers went to nothing.
You get the “less heat, more bouceback” strategy by setting the royal value to zero in a strategy generator, for example for the wizard’s 9-6 jacks and zero royal value:
you get something like:
PAT
4SF
HP
4FL
KQJToffsuit
LP
4ST-no gaps
3SF (no gaps, high card + one gap, two high cards + two gaps, three high cards)
AKQJoffsuit
3FL-2HC
4ST-3HC
2HCsuited
3SF (one gap, high card + two gaps)
KQJoffsuit
2HC
1HC
3SF
Same here. At Caesars Atlantic City for the last couple years every time I hit a $1000 royal my offers went down to the point that I now get no offers. Incredibly, a couple months ago I hit two royals on a comped trip to Harrahs in Atlantic City and my wife who was on the trip with me stopped getting offers, and she plays strictly slots. I only play at the 25 cent level. When we go to Las Vegas we don’t play at Caesars’ casinos because of the poor pay schedules there and the excellent pay schedules at so many other casinos. In my opinion, they are counting pennies and losing dollars.
Or you could simply avoid the heat by restricting yourself to 98% ER games, where all the RF hits you can muster would likely be overlooked relative to the earned theo.
Not that either of these alternatives is the least sensible, but I suppose it’s a question of how you prioritize your play goals.
I don’t think that at CET/TR you are penalized for winning. Your offers are enhanced when you lose. With VP you should lose most of the time (fortunately/unfortunately). Unfortunately, the best overall total payback doesn’t always mean playing the game with the highest return.
There are, however, some casino chains that look far more favorably at proven losers rather than just big theoretical losers.
You may be correct on this one…Since I’m employed full time and my wife does not enjoy the drive to Rincon alone, we only get down there once or twice a month and on weekends. On a couple of occasions this past year we both took some invites midweek for multipliers and extra free play, including hotel stay. We had a higher coin-in during these occasions, but we use the free play as seed money to get us started and do not pull the card unless we change machines. As a side note, we usually do not chase points, if we have bad loosing sessions we call it a day. John
Just an fyi: my friend had a terrible experience at Fox Rentacar. It took two shuttles from the airport to get there and a wait of over 2 hours to get his car. He said someone in line missed their flight home.
I’ve always read here about the two separate shuttles, but never about that kind of wait.
James Thompson
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Thanks, James. I was considering that company, but not now. I have also had a similar experience with Dollar…waited in line 45 minutes, they then said there were no vehicles available to take a TAXI keep the slips to and fro and come back tomorrow!! I’m looking for a car as we speak, the prices are 4x what I paid last year…I usually like Alamo. Rod
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Just an fyi: my friend had a terrible experience at Fox Rentacar. It took two shuttles from the airport to get there and a wait of over 2 hours to get his car. He said someone in line missed their flight home.
I’ve always read here about the two separate shuttles, but never about that kind of wait.
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Had the same experience. I am a bit OC and I always count how many people are in line when i get into one. We were number 137. Took over 2.5 hours to get a car.
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:27:35 -0800
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Thanks, James. I was considering that company, but not now. I have also had a similar experience with Dollar…waited in line 45 minutes, they then said there were no vehicles available to take a TAXI keep the slips to and fro and come back tomorrow!! I’m looking for a car as we speak, the prices are 4x what I paid last year…I usually like Alamo. Rod
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Just an fyi: my friend had a terrible experience at Fox Rentacar. It took two shuttles from the airport to get there and a wait of over 2 hours to get his car. He said someone in line missed their flight home.
I’ve always read here about the two separate shuttles, but never about that kind of wait.
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I,m yet another “Once and only once” customer.
They slipped a hefty dailyinsurance charge past me.
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Had the same experience. I am a bit OC and I always count how many people are in line when i get into one. We were number 137. Took over 2.5 hours to get a car.
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Thanks, James. I was considering that company, but not now. I have also had a similar experience with Dollar…waited in line 45 minutes, they then said there were no vehicles available to take a TAXI keep the slips to and fro and come back tomorrow!! I’m looking for a car as we speak, the prices are 4x what I paid last year…I usually like Alamo. Rod
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Just an fyi: my friend had a terrible experience at Fox Rentacar. It took two shuttles from the airport to get there and a wait of over 2 hours to get his car. He said someone in line missed their flight home.
I’ve always read here about the two separate shuttles, but never about that kind of wait.
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Think of it as Caesars loving only losers rather than disliking winners. It’s a rare player who will be a loser for the past six months or a year in a given casino after hitting a royal flush. That’s most of the story. It’s probably best not to try to make a detailed analysis publicly.