See vpFREE Poll:
"Do you believe that most VP in Nevada is random and fair?"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/surveys?id=11899757
On 28 Nov 2008 at 12:30, Kathy wrote:
Do casinos have the ability/technology to change chips in the
machines that produce different percentage of hit rates even
though the paytable remains the same ... We are curious to
know how many serious VP players would answer ...
What does it mean to be 95% or 100% confident that "most" VP is fair (or unfair)? Those are very fuzzy concepts.
Sounds a little like a Yogi Berra quote: "90% of baseball is mental, the other half is physical". 
As of today, the poll indicates that 85/97 people feel 95 or 100% confident that most VP is fair. So I guess I can emphatically state that most people feel mostly confident that most VP is fair....
JD
----- Original Message ----
See vpFREE Poll:
"Do you believe that most VP in Nevada is random and fair?"
Having a poll is ridiculous. What it is asking is whether people believe the regulations are being followed. I have no problem with paranoid fantasies but you might as well have a poll on whether people believe that the Vietnam war was actually held on a soundstage in North Dakota. Or whether people believe in evolution. Or gravity.
Oh, wait. Turns out cavemen and dinosaurs hung out together 6000 years ago. Never mind!
Do you really think casinos are totally honest and have never cheated
their customers? Do you really think that no Nevada regulator has ever
been found guilty of fraud? Does the name Ronald Harris mean anything
to you?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
Having a poll is ridiculous. What it is asking is whether people
believe the regulations are being followed. I have no problem with
paranoid fantasies but you might as well have a poll on whether
people believe that the Vietnam war was actually held on a soundstage
in North Dakota. Or whether people believe in evolution. Or gravity.Oh, wait. Turns out cavemen and dinosaurs hung out together 6000
years ago. Never mind!
Then there's the issue of Indian casinos in states other than Nevada,
whose operation is answerable solely to the "tribal elders." Which
basically means that they regulate themselves.
Robert
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
Do you really think casinos are totally honest and have never cheated
their customers? Do you really think that no Nevada regulator has ever
been found guilty of fraud? Does the name Ronald Harris mean anything
to you?--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@> wrote:
>
> Having a poll is ridiculous. What it is asking is whether people
> believe the regulations are being followed. I have no problem with
> paranoid fantasies but you might as well have a poll on whether
> people believe that the Vietnam war was actually held on a soundstage
> in North Dakota. Or whether people believe in evolution. Or gravity.
>
> Oh, wait. Turns out cavemen and dinosaurs hung out together 6000
> years ago. Never mind!
>
To gaffe machines at large casinos would involve collusion among many people. Whereas you could make a lot of money by informing. I'm not referring to small bars, table games, or anything other than video poker machines.
Yes, today's casinos are totally honest and do not cheat.
At 01:55 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote:
Do you really think casinos are totally honest and have never cheated
their customers? Do you really think that no Nevada regulator has ever
been found guilty of fraud? Does the name Ronald Harris mean anything
to you?--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>
> Having a poll is ridiculous. What it is asking is whether people
> believe the regulations are being followed. I have no problem with
> paranoid fantasies but you might as well have a poll on whether
> people believe that the Vietnam war was actually held on a soundstage
> in North Dakota. Or whether people believe in evolution. Or gravity.
>
> Oh, wait. Turns out cavemen and dinosaurs hung out together 6000
> years ago. Never mind!
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Not quite true. The class III compacts often include the state in auditing which would include verifying the machines to ensure against skimming. Also, the Federal government has an agency that oversees and regulates all native casinos. In some cases the oversight of native casinos is stronger than in commercial jurisdictions.
At 02:05 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote:
Then there's the issue of Indian casinos in states other than Nevada,
whose operation is answerable solely to the "tribal elders." Which
basically means that they regulate themselves.Robert
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> Do you really think casinos are totally honest and have never cheated
> their customers? Do you really think that no Nevada regulator has ever
> been found guilty of fraud? Does the name Ronald Harris mean anything
> to you?
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@> wrote:
> >
> > Having a poll is ridiculous. What it is asking is whether people
> > believe the regulations are being followed. I have no problem with
> > paranoid fantasies but you might as well have a poll on whether
> > people believe that the Vietnam war was actually held on a soundstage
> > in North Dakota. Or whether people believe in evolution. Or gravity.
> >
> > Oh, wait. Turns out cavemen and dinosaurs hung out together 6000
> > years ago. Never mind!
> >
>------------------------------------
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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Bill Coleman wrote:
>The Federal government has an agency that oversees
>and regulates all native casinos.
It is severely misleading to even suggest that any agency outside Nevada and New Jersey oversees and regulates in any shape, manner or form similar to those two states.
>In some cases the oversight of
>native casinos is stronger than in commercial jurisdictions.
Care to name any?
Yes, but Federal oversight is limited to making sure that it is the
tribe, and not outside groups, controlling the gaming. They play no
role in the oversight of the conduct of the gaming itself.
Then there's the recent CBS News story about cheating in on-line poker
games, which were run by a Canadian Indian tribe:
"The virtual poker games are actually run on computers servers from a
Canadian Indian reservation outside of Montréal. It's all licensed by
the sovereign tribe of the Mohawk nation, which has no experience in
casino gambling and doesn't have to answer to Canadian
authorities....The operation is overseen by the Kahnawake Gaming
Commission, whose three commissioners meet in secret. The commission
is independent of tribal leaders, including Chief Delisle, and its
investigation of Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet have been neither
transparent nor particularly aggressive. A lot of the players who were
cheated suspect it's because the owner of the discredited sites is Joe
Norton, a former grand chief of the Kahnawakes, who helped establish
the gaming commission that cleared him of any wrongdoing in the scandal."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/25/60minutes/main4633254.shtml
Does not inspire confidence in Indian gaming.......
Robert
Not quite true. The class III compacts often include the state in
auditing which would include verifying the machines to ensure against
skimming. Also, the Federal government has an agency that oversees
and regulates all native casinos. In some cases the oversight of
native casinos is stronger than in commercial jurisdictions.>Then there's the issue of Indian casinos in states other than Nevada,
>whose operation is answerable solely to the "tribal elders." Which
>basically means that they regulate themselves.
>
> Robert
>
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
><nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Do you really think casinos are totally honest and have never
cheated
> > their customers? Do you really think that no Nevada regulator
has ever
> > been found guilty of fraud? Does the name Ronald Harris mean
anything
> > to you?
> >
> > >
> > > Having a poll is ridiculous. What it is asking is whether people
> > > believe the regulations are being followed. I have no problem with
> > > paranoid fantasies but you might as well have a poll on whether
> > > people believe that the Vietnam war was actually held on a
soundstage
> > > in North Dakota. Or whether people believe in evolution. Or
gravity.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
At 02:05 PM 11/29/2008, you wrote:
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, wait. Turns out cavemen and dinosaurs hung out together 6000
> > > years ago. Never mind!
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Both banks of machines are now 25c only, with the usual downgraded paytables.
It's possible that this was only a temporary change because drawings are going on, but don't hold your breath for the games to return once the drawings wrap up.
For those that knew about the 9/6 Bdlx, forget it - they're now 8/6.
JD
I loved the $1 QQ.
Any ideas where they may still be found?
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, John Douglass <john.douglass@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: John Douglass <john.douglass@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Sunset Station 50c/$1 QQ MIA
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:24 AM
Both banks of machines are now 25c only, with the usual
downgraded paytables.It's possible that this was only a temporary change
because drawings are going on, but don't hold
your breath for the games to return once the drawings wrap
up.For those that knew about the 9/6 Bdlx, forget it
- they're now 8/6.JD
$1 9/6 JoB QQ at Texas Station yesterday.
Bill
Palms Moderator
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, george lee <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: george lee <glee4ever@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Sunset Station 50c/$1 QQ MIA
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:16 AM
I loved the $1 QQ.
Any ideas where they may still be found?
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, John Douglass <john.douglass@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: John Douglass <john.douglass@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Sunset Station 50c/$1 QQ MIA
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:24 AM
Both banks of machines are now 25c only, with the usual
downgraded paytables.It's possible that this was only a temporary change
because drawings are going on, but don't hold
your breath for the games to return once the drawings wrap
up.For those that knew about the 9/6 Bdlx, forget it
- they're now 8/6.JD
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