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Have casinos ever tried this sort of game?

#1

Several slot games have already done this. Yahtzee both reel and video versions the bonus round was a hand of Yahtzee and that is very close to VP. Correct strategy for this bonus round was published. Same company had Battleship and the bonus round was a game of that. They also had a trivia game where correct answers improved your bonus (Not sure how this got past regulators.). Cliffhangars (Price is Right) is a very simple example of a strategy bonus round and they tell you the coreect strategy on the face of the machine. North Carolina requires skill so slots use a feature called "lock and roll" where you "hold" reels and the discards respin. Oddessy (now owned by IGT) had a game like that where they advertised 101% return with perfect strategy. Problem was that the strategy was too easy to figure out. IGT has a game like this that plays like Triple/Five play VP that my home casino (Majestic Star - Gary IN) has a pair of.

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-----Original Message-----

From: theprostitutionstate <theprostitutionstate@yahoo.com>
Sent: Nov 12, 2008 12:34 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Have casinos ever tried this sort of game?

VP is one of the few games where you get a direct chance to improve
your return with skillful play.

However, on the game Deal or No Deal (the one I think Howie Mandel
says you could practically be brain dead and play), the actual
suitcase picking does have a correct strategies for different
situations.

In other words you can play it badly. In the video version of the
game (and there's two versions that I've seen), the bonus round is
the suitcase play.

Now, almost all non VP games have bonus periods these days, but DoND
is one of the few that happens to give you a chance to worsen or
improve the payout.

NOW MAYBE YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

Why not create more slot/video games with bonus rounds that offer
strategy playing?

The advantage to casinos, is these game could pay off well to the
casinos when players don't know how to play the bonus correctly. The
other advantage to casinos is they could advertise standard video
games that pay over 100% when played correctly, thus attracting more
play presumedly.

The advantages to the those who want to learn to play correctly are
obvious.

Here might be an example:

1. During normal reel play game is only paying 95%
2. During bonus rounds game can be played to compensate up to and
over 100%. But it can also take player for max loss if played
badly. As low as 75%

Now I don't know what sort of strategy situations could be created
for bonus rounds, but I suppose that's up to the creators to
experiment with.

Thanks for listening, if anyone is.

#2

I'm going to play in a video poker tournament at Blue Chip/Michigan City and need some tips. It will be one-line and JOB and we play 8 minutes - 2 sessions. What's my strategy? Should I hold high cards hoping to get a royal or quads - throwing away possible straights/flushes and low cards? I heard that it helps to use both hands - keeping one finger on the deal/draw button. Give me your advice. Thanks. Barb

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From: Howard W. Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:30:11 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Have casinos ever tried this sort of game?

Several slot games have already done this. Yahtzee both reel and video versions the bonus round was a hand of Yahtzee and that is very close to VP. Correct strategy for this bonus round was published. Same company had Battleship and the bonus round was a game of that. They also had a trivia game where correct answers improved your bonus (Not sure how this got past regulators.) . Cliffhangars (Price is Right) is a very simple example of a strategy bonus round and they tell you the coreect strategy on the face of the machine. North Carolina requires skill so slots use a feature called "lock and roll" where you "hold" reels and the discards respin. Oddessy (now owned by IGT) had a game like that where they advertised 101% return with perfect strategy. Problem was that the strategy was too easy to figure out. IGT has a game like this that plays like Triple/Five play VP that my home casino (Majestic Star - Gary IN) has a pair of.

-----Original Message-----

From: theprostitutionstat e <theprostitutionstat e@yahoo.com>
Sent: Nov 12, 2008 12:34 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [vpFREE] Have casinos ever tried this sort of game?

VP is one of the few games where you get a direct chance to improve
your return with skillful play.

However, on the game Deal or No Deal (the one I think Howie Mandel
says you could practically be brain dead and play), the actual
suitcase picking does have a correct strategies for different
situations.

In other words you can play it badly. In the video version of the
game (and there's two versions that I've seen), the bonus round is
the suitcase play.

Now, almost all non VP games have bonus periods these days, but DoND
is one of the few that happens to give you a chance to worsen or
improve the payout.

NOW MAYBE YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

Why not create more slot/video games with bonus rounds that offer
strategy playing?

The advantage to casinos, is these game could pay off well to the
casinos when players don't know how to play the bonus correctly. The
other advantage to casinos is they could advertise standard video
games that pay over 100% when played correctly, thus attracting more
play presumedly.

The advantages to the those who want to learn to play correctly are
obvious.

Here might be an example:

1. During normal reel play game is only paying 95%
2. During bonus rounds game can be played to compensate up to and
over 100%. But it can also take player for max loss if played
badly. As low as 75%

Now I don't know what sort of strategy situations could be created
for bonus rounds, but I suppose that's up to the creators to
experiment with.

Thanks for listening, if anyone is.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#3

I'm going to play in a video poker tournament at Blue Chip/Michigan

City and need some tips. It will be one-line and JOB and we play 8
minutes - 2 sessions. What's my strategy? Should I hold high cards
hoping to get a royal or quads - throwing away possible
straights/flushes and low cards? I heard that it helps to use both
hands - keeping one finger on the deal/draw button. Give me your
advice. Thanks. Barb

A look at the number of entrants and the prize structure might

affect this but if a significant number of entrants (more than 100)
it will probably take a royal to win it. Usually the prize funds for
these are significantly top loaded so you should play to win not just
for "in the money". Ergo play wide open for the royal. If you get a
royal early then you probably should play normal jacks strategy
thereafter. Play fast and do not fret over decisons. Two eight minute
sessions should get you 325-400 hands and wide open strategy will
give you about a 1-1/4% to 1-1/2% chance of landing the royal.

Bob Dancer pointed out that if previous scores are revealed and there
are multiple sessions, try to play in the last or latest session(s)
possible so you know what you need.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, don ross <rossx_98@...> wrote:

#4

See FAQ #50:

http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ.htm#50

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On 12 Nov 2008 at 12:03, don ross wrote:

I'm going to play in a video poker tournament at
Blue Chip/Michigan City and need some tips ...

#5

Thanks. I forgot that I could just touch the screen instead of using the buttons and be able to play more hands at a quicker pace - which makes sense to me! I know that I will need to get a royal if I want to get in the money so ................ I've played in slot machine tournaments so am familiar with the routine. Again thanks for your input. B.

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From: howardwstern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:26:55 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: VP Tourney

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, don ross <rossx_98@.. .> wrote:

I'm going to play in a video poker tournament at Blue Chip/Michigan

City and need some tips. It will be one-line and JOB and we play 8
minutes - 2 sessions. What's my strategy? Should I hold high cards
hoping to get a royal or quads - throwing away possible
straights/flushes and low cards? I heard that it helps to use both
hands - keeping one finger on the deal/draw button. Give me your
advice. Thanks. Barb

A look at the number of entrants and the prize structure might

affect this but if a significant number of entrants (more than 100)
it will probably take a royal to win it. Usually the prize funds for
these are significantly top loaded so you should play to win not just
for "in the money". Ergo play wide open for the royal. If you get a
royal early then you probably should play normal jacks strategy
thereafter. Play fast and do not fret over decisons. Two eight minute
sessions should get you 325-400 hands and wide open strategy will
give you about a 1-1/4% to 1-1/2% chance of landing the royal.

Bob Dancer pointed out that if previous scores are revealed and there
are multiple sessions, try to play in the last or latest session(s)
possible so you know what you need.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#6

Thanks. I guess it's like most games --it's tough to find a game
that has a strong appeal and has staying power as well that will
catch on in most places.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard W. Stern" <howard.w.stern@...>
wrote:

Several slot games have already done this. Yahtzee both reel and

video versions the bonus round was a hand of Yahtzee and that is very
close to VP. Correct strategy for this bonus round was published.
Same company had Battleship and the bonus round was a game of that.
They also had a trivia game where correct answers improved your bonus
(Not sure how this got past regulators.). Cliffhangars (Price is
Right) is a very simple example of a strategy bonus round and they
tell you the coreect strategy on the face of the machine. North
Carolina requires skill so slots use a feature called "lock and roll"
where you "hold" reels and the discards respin. Oddessy (now owned by
IGT) had a game like that where they advertised 101% return with
perfect strategy. Problem was that the strategy was too easy to
figure out. IGT has a game like this that plays like Triple/Five play
VP that my home casino (Majestic Star - Gary IN) has a pair of.

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