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Visited Harrah's 4/30 - 5/1 and confirmed that the All-American is
better than ever. As Rick reported, all the old machines are active
again. Also, some now have ticket-out (no ticket-in, though),
including the ones by the Deli. Of course, since the Deli now has
no seating (yet still serves plenty of foods you have to sit to eat,
like salads) you now have to deal with lots of people sitting at
these machines eating (and the messes they leave behind).

The award credits continue to mystify me. In my first session
of .25 AA, I played 3hr, 2152 hands, earned 269 base credits and 125
bonus credits, and lost $60. Later I played 1 hr, 856 hands, earned
107 base and only 8 bonus, and broke even. Lastly, I played 15
minutes of $1 AA, 176 hands, earned 22 base and 8 bonus credits, and
won $100.

So, my bonus credits ran from .075 to nearly .46 of my base credits.
Those two figures were both on .25 AA within a single 24hour
period. Even assuming that the bonus credits will average .5 of
base credits (which is higher than I achieved in any of my three
brief sessions) that would mean that cash back is only .00033
(or.03%) and comps are only .15%, which is about as bad as it gets.

I hope this info may help someone else who is closer to "cracking
the code" than me.

-JD

I visited last Thursday. You're right, the AA machines down on the 1st floor by the deli that were shorted (SF = 250 instead of 1000) are back to the regular full pay scale. That's nice. This would be a good time for my S.F. drought to end...haven't hit one since the end of February.

As for the Bonus Credits, your experience is very close to mine. I don't think there's any "cracking of the code" to be done. Harrah's computer gives you what it feels like giving you, period. I'm pretty sure if you have a losing session you'll get more BCs than if you win or break even, but that's the only pattern I've seen. Too bad there's not a way for players to slip a tip to the computer and get on it's good side. :slight_smile:

carlos

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keyen54739 <jallenday@aol.com> wrote:
Visited Harrah's 4/30 - 5/1 and confirmed that the All-American is
better than ever. As Rick reported, all the old machines are active
again. Also, some now have ticket-out (no ticket-in, though),
including the ones by the Deli. Of course, since the Deli now has
no seating (yet still serves plenty of foods you have to sit to eat,
like salads) you now have to deal with lots of people sitting at
these machines eating (and the messes they leave behind).

The award credits continue to mystify me. In my first session
of .25 AA, I played 3hr, 2152 hands, earned 269 base credits and 125
bonus credits, and lost $60. Later I played 1 hr, 856 hands, earned
107 base and only 8 bonus, and broke even. Lastly, I played 15
minutes of $1 AA, 176 hands, earned 22 base and 8 bonus credits, and
won $100.

So, my bonus credits ran from .075 to nearly .46 of my base credits.
Those two figures were both on .25 AA within a single 24hour
period. Even assuming that the bonus credits will average .5 of
base credits (which is higher than I achieved in any of my three
brief sessions) that would mean that cash back is only .00033
(or.03%) and comps are only .15%, which is about as bad as it gets.

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As for the Bonus Credits, your experience is very close to mine. I

don't think there's any "cracking of the code" to be done.

On the Harrahs Total Rewards Yahoo Group :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrahstotalrewards/

there has been speculation that the time of day, day of the week and
bank of machines also impact the number of Bonus RC's a player
receives. You might want to track the days/times/location of your
sessions and see if there is any correlation.

We made a quick trip to Harrah's this afternoon, just long enough to collect for coupons that were expiring. The upstairs kiosk that had JoB, AA, and Pick'em in both .25 and $1 is missing. The .25 slant tops in the same area were also gone but we found them, just moved across the room. They still had 9/6 JoB. The others may have been there somewhere, we didn't stay long.

Rick

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----- Original Message -----
  From: keyen54739
  To: vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:29 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE_KC] Harrah's

  Visited Harrah's 4/30 - 5/1 and confirmed that the All-American is
  better than ever. As Rick reported, all the old machines are active
  again. Also, some now have ticket-out (no ticket-in, though),
  including the ones by the Deli. Of course, since the Deli now has
  no seating (yet still serves plenty of foods you have to sit to eat,
  like salads) you now have to deal with lots of people sitting at
  these machines eating (and the messes they leave behind).

  The award credits continue to mystify me. In my first session
  of .25 AA, I played 3hr, 2152 hands, earned 269 base credits and 125
  bonus credits, and lost $60. Later I played 1 hr, 856 hands, earned
  107 base and only 8 bonus, and broke even. Lastly, I played 15
  minutes of $1 AA, 176 hands, earned 22 base and 8 bonus credits, and
  won $100.

  So, my bonus credits ran from .075 to nearly .46 of my base credits.
  Those two figures were both on .25 AA within a single 24hour
  period. Even assuming that the bonus credits will average .5 of
  base credits (which is higher than I achieved in any of my three
  brief sessions) that would mean that cash back is only .00033
  (or.03%) and comps are only .15%, which is about as bad as it gets.

  I hope this info may help someone else who is closer to "cracking
  the code" than me.

  -JD

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Has the area in the corner (where the majority of the AA was located)
been re-opened? It was closed on the 10th.

--- In vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com, "Lucky Lucy" <luckylucy39@e...>
wrote:

We made a quick trip to Harrah's this afternoon, just long enough

to collect for coupons that were expiring. The upstairs kiosk that
had JoB, AA, and Pick'em in both .25 and $1 is missing. The .25
slant tops in the same area were also gone but we found them, just
moved across the room. They still had 9/6 JoB. The others may have
been there somewhere, we didn't stay long.

Rick

  From: keyen54739
  To: vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:29 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE_KC] Harrah's

  Visited Harrah's 4/30 - 5/1 and confirmed that the All-American

is

  better than ever. As Rick reported, all the old machines are

active

  again. Also, some now have ticket-out (no ticket-in, though),
  including the ones by the Deli. Of course, since the Deli now

has

  no seating (yet still serves plenty of foods you have to sit to

eat,

  like salads) you now have to deal with lots of people sitting at
  these machines eating (and the messes they leave behind).

  The award credits continue to mystify me. In my first session
  of .25 AA, I played 3hr, 2152 hands, earned 269 base credits and

125

  bonus credits, and lost $60. Later I played 1 hr, 856 hands,

earned

  107 base and only 8 bonus, and broke even. Lastly, I played 15
  minutes of $1 AA, 176 hands, earned 22 base and 8 bonus credits,

and

  won $100.

  So, my bonus credits ran from .075 to nearly .46 of my base

credits.

  Those two figures were both on .25 AA within a single 24hour
  period. Even assuming that the bonus credits will average .5 of
  base credits (which is higher than I achieved in any of my three
  brief sessions) that would mean that cash back is only .00033
  (or.03%) and comps are only .15%, which is about as bad as it

gets.

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  ----- Original Message -----

  I hope this info may help someone else who is closer to "cracking
  the code" than me.

  -JD

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I haven't been back to Harrah's since your visit. I will go there tomorrow night and check.

Do you remember asking me if I'd seen the Any Pair pay scale? (the machines at the long bar, lower level) You didn't happen to write it down and put the values into WP did you?

I did but I'm afraid to tell you the numbers I got. Let's just say that according to what I got on WP, if I put $100 into an Any Pair machine tomorrow night and play fairly perfectly 10 hours a day, six days a week, I will own the entire Harrah's chain of casinos sometime around mid-2008.

Obviously, that can't be right. I must have made a mistake somewhere, either with what I wrote down or how I'm entering the data into WP. I'll write down the payscale again tomorrow night and show you how I'm entering it into WP.
  
Oh yeah, almost forgot-- I will be in St. Louis the weekend of June 4-6. I'll be tied up the afternoon and evening of the 5th (Saturday). If you're in town and free any other time that weekend and want to get together, let me know.

see ya

Has the area in the corner (where the majority of the AA was located)
been re-opened? It was closed on the 10th.

--- In vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com, "Lucky Lucy"
wrote:

We made a quick trip to Harrah's this afternoon, just long enough

to collect for coupons that were expiring. The upstairs kiosk that
had JoB, AA, and Pick'em in both .25 and $1 is missing. The .25
slant tops in the same area were also gone but we found them, just
moved across the room. They still had 9/6 JoB. The others may have
been there somewhere, we didn't stay long.

Rick

From: keyen54739
To: vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:29 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_KC] Harrah's

Visited Harrah's 4/30 - 5/1 and confirmed that the All-American

is

better than ever. As Rick reported, all the old machines are

active

again. Also, some now have ticket-out (no ticket-in, though),
including the ones by the Deli. Of course, since the Deli now

has

no seating (yet still serves plenty of foods you have to sit to

eat,

like salads) you now have to deal with lots of people sitting at
these machines eating (and the messes they leave behind).

The award credits continue to mystify me. In my first session
of .25 AA, I played 3hr, 2152 hands, earned 269 base credits and

125

bonus credits, and lost $60. Later I played 1 hr, 856 hands,

earned

107 base and only 8 bonus, and broke even. Lastly, I played 15
minutes of $1 AA, 176 hands, earned 22 base and 8 bonus credits,

and

won $100.

So, my bonus credits ran from .075 to nearly .46 of my base

credits.

Those two figures were both on .25 AA within a single 24hour
period. Even assuming that the bonus credits will average .5 of
base credits (which is higher than I achieved in any of my three
brief sessions) that would mean that cash back is only .00033
(or.03%) and comps are only .15%, which is about as bad as it

gets.

I hope this info may help someone else who is closer to "cracking
the code" than me.

-JD

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hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

Just got back from Harrah's -- double point day -- but didn't stay long. The area you are talking about was closed and curtained off as was most of the rest of the VP in the casino. The triple plays by the cashier's cage downstairs are all gone. The kiosk with both dollar and quarter machines upstairs was still in operation as was the quarter JoB slant tops. The kiosk by the deli had 4 machines going, the rest were dark. That's it. Don't know what they were doing, maybe adding TITO. Or, more sinister, removing all the good machines.

Rick

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----- Original Message -----
  From: hockeystl
  To: vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:21 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE_KC] Re: Harrah's

  Has the area in the corner (where the majority of the AA was located)
  been re-opened? It was closed on the 10th.

  --- In vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com, "Lucky Lucy" <luckylucy39@e...>
  wrote:
  > We made a quick trip to Harrah's this afternoon, just long enough
  to collect for coupons that were expiring. The upstairs kiosk that
  had JoB, AA, and Pick'em in both .25 and $1 is missing. The .25
  slant tops in the same area were also gone but we found them, just
  moved across the room. They still had 9/6 JoB. The others may have
  been there somewhere, we didn't stay long.
  >
  > Rick
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: keyen54739
  > To: vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:29 PM
  > Subject: [vpFREE_KC] Harrah's
  >
  >
  > Visited Harrah's 4/30 - 5/1 and confirmed that the All-American
  is
  > better than ever. As Rick reported, all the old machines are
  active
  > again. Also, some now have ticket-out (no ticket-in, though),
  > including the ones by the Deli. Of course, since the Deli now
  has
  > no seating (yet still serves plenty of foods you have to sit to
  eat,
  > like salads) you now have to deal with lots of people sitting at
  > these machines eating (and the messes they leave behind).
  >
  > The award credits continue to mystify me. In my first session
  > of .25 AA, I played 3hr, 2152 hands, earned 269 base credits and
  125
  > bonus credits, and lost $60. Later I played 1 hr, 856 hands,
  earned
  > 107 base and only 8 bonus, and broke even. Lastly, I played 15
  > minutes of $1 AA, 176 hands, earned 22 base and 8 bonus credits,
  and
  > won $100.
  >
  > So, my bonus credits ran from .075 to nearly .46 of my base
  credits.
  > Those two figures were both on .25 AA within a single 24hour
  > period. Even assuming that the bonus credits will average .5 of
  > base credits (which is higher than I achieved in any of my three
  > brief sessions) that would mean that cash back is only .00033
  > (or.03%) and comps are only .15%, which is about as bad as it
  gets.
  >
  > I hope this info may help someone else who is closer to "cracking
  > the code" than me.
  >
  > -JD
  >
  >
  >
  >
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What the heck is going on at Harrah's? We were there this afternoon
and most of the VP machines were dark. There probably wasn't two
dozen active VP machines in the whole casino. Curtains up again. The
management has been jacking around with the VP for two months. Lots
(most) of the full pay machines are history. The kiosk upstairs is
gone. We saw no VP machines downstairs except in the bartops and the
High Limit area. The kiosk by the deli is gone.

Is it any wonder they are in last place and slipping in the Kansas
City market.

Think our play at Harrah's will also be history!

Rick

--- In vpFREE_KC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick & Lucky Lucy" > Think our
play at Harrah's will also be history!

Rick

Sad to say, but it's very possible.

FYI: I just received my CB from a trip on May 10th (took them long
enough!). I put in $22780 CI on $1 AA and received $14. A
whopping .06CB