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As I said before, don't bow down to Harrahs and kiss their corporate feet for what they are doing for their employees on the Gulf Coast. I don't remember who posted the response to my original post, but their information was bad. Harrahs is only paying BASE pay for employees. The only concession they are giving is that they will not make normal deductions for the IRS on tips. With tips being the biggest part of their minimum wage jobs, loss of this income is going to be very sad under the current circumstances. I will say that Harrahs is no different than the other corporate Mongols. The other casinos are doing the same.

About Harrahs giving 1-million dollars to relief..........true, almost. It was in fact Harrahs Foundation that gave the million, it did not come from the corporate offices. The foundation is a separate entity, same as the Ford Foundation is to Ford Motor Company. Remember, they have to protect the stockholders and the bottom line.

If you want to know more on the casinos on the Gulf Coast and what they are up to, just go to the local newspaper: http://www.sunherad.com

Bob

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Bob Sommer wrote:

About Harrahs giving 1-million dollars to relief..........true,
almost. It was in fact Harrahs Foundation that gave the million, it
did not come from the corporate offices. The foundation is a separate
entity, same as the Ford Foundation is to Ford Motor Company.
Remember, they have to protect the stockholders and the bottom line.

Ok, Bob, I'm no fan of Harrah's but that's a low and inaccurate blow.

Speaking from close work with another corporate foundation in a former
capacity, foundations are endowed because it's tax advantageous to do
so. Nonetheless, the source of the funds are the corporate entity.
And ultimately, the stockholders do bear the cost of contributions
made by the foundation.

Heckle Harrah's all you want, but don't diminish the value of this
gesture by one cent.

- H.

Harry,

I am not trying to diminish the 1-million dollar gift. I have no
problem with it and in fact wish it were more and that more casinos
would do the same. But the Foundation is a tax write off for the
corporate entity. While they be giving this for the right reasons,
their bottom line and stockholders are not affected. They have simply
diverted some other donation to the relief effort.

Bob

Harry Porter wrote:

Bob Sommer wrote:
> About Harrahs giving 1-million dollars to relief..........true,
> almost. It was in fact Harrahs Foundation that gave the million, it
> did not come from the corporate offices. The foundation is a separate
> entity, same as the Ford Foundation is to Ford Motor Company.
> Remember, they have to protect the stockholders and the bottom line.

Ok, Bob, I'm no fan of Harrah's but that's a low and inaccurate blow.

Speaking from close work with another corporate foundation in a former
capacity, foundations are endowed because it's tax advantageous to do
so. Nonetheless, the source of the funds are the corporate entity.
And ultimately, the stockholders do bear the cost of contributions
made by the foundation.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

someone correct me if I am wrong, but a tax write-off is worth
considerably less than the value of the actual contribution.

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On 9/6/05, Bob Sommer - Top of the World Coins <NL7HT@barrow.com> wrote:

Harry,

I am not trying to diminish the 1-million dollar gift. I have no
problem with it and in fact wish it were more and that more casinos
would do the same. But the Foundation is a tax write off for the
corporate entity. While they be giving this for the right reasons,
their bottom line and stockholders are not affected. They have simply
diverted some other donation to the relief effort.

Bob

Bob Sommer wrote:

I am not trying to diminish the 1-million dollar gift. I have no
problem with it and in fact wish it were more and that more casinos
would do the same. But the Foundation is a tax write off for the
corporate entity. While they be giving this for the right reasons,
their bottom line and stockholders are not affected. They have
simply diverted some other donation to the relief effort.

There are several parallels between corporate giving and personal
charitable giving.

The fact that contributions are tax deductible does not mean that the
corporation/individual does not absorb the majority of the
contribution. All too often the phrase "tax write off" is used to
dismiss an expense that a corporation does bear in part.

Keep in mind that any legitimate expense borne by a corporation is a
"tax write off" -- including materials, supplies, and production
costs. In the big picture, charitable contributions are no different
(although when gifts of property are made, directly or indirectly,
such as through a foundation, special tax treatment applies ... and
this is true of individual giving as well as corporate giving).

Bottom line, corporations bear the cost of contributions in pretty
much every respect as you do when you give to your preferred religious
or charitable organization. Corporations, as the endowers of
corporate foundations, ultimately bear the cost of contributions even
when made via those foundations. Stockholders are definitely affected.

As far as the last comment you make ... there is a very strong
likelihood that Harrah's contributions will represent an increase in
giving this year. In advance of any year, corporate foundations make
pretty firm commitments of giving to the organizations that they
support. These organizations rely upon that commitment in arriving at
their operating budgets for the coming year. I very much doubt that
Harrah's will go to one or more of these organizations with a, "Sorry,
we had to cut you out this year".

Finally, touching on a previous comment of yours, while foundations
are indeed fully independent entities from the endowing corporations,
they act under very strong corporate aegis. It's most likely that a
good share of the directors on the board of Harrah's foundation are
also Harrah's corporate officers. Trust me when I say that I have
little doubt that Harrah's Board of Directors were the primary thrust
behind the decision to make a contribution in support of N.O. relief
efforts.

- Harry

This is a portion of an article at
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/gaming/2005/sep/02/519295668.html
  in regard to Harrahs :
The company is paying its more than 6,000 workers who've lost jobs in
Katrina's aftermath for the next three months and has set up relief
centers near the region. It also donated $1 million to the relief
effort. Loveman said Thursday the company is still struggling to
contact workers and make sure they get their paychecks.

The company moved Thursday to waive employee costs and restrictions
for medical benefits and services, allowing those workers to obtain
prescriptions, eyeglasses and other items that may have been lost in
the storm.

The company is also looking into further compensating casino workers
who get much of their wages from tips and whose take-home pay will be
significantly reduced.

"These days are filled with hundreds of little decisions," Loveman
said. "But they're important decisions."

The information above is from the Las Vegas Sun....(which I also provided the link so you could read the article yourself instead of taking my word for it) ...so if you think it is "BAD" it came from them.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sommer - Top of the World Coins" <NL7HT@barrow.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Harrahs

As I said before, don't bow down to Harrahs and kiss their corporate feet for what they are doing for their employees on the Gulf Coast. I don't remember who posted the response to my original post, but their information was bad. Harrahs is only paying BASE pay for employees. The only concession they are giving is that they will not make normal deductions for the IRS on tips. With tips being the biggest part of their minimum wage jobs, loss of this income is going to be very sad under the current circumstances. I will say that Harrahs is no different than the other corporate Mongols. The other casinos are doing the same.

About Harrahs giving 1-million dollars to relief..........true, almost. It was in fact Harrahs Foundation that gave the million, it did not come from the corporate offices. The foundation is a separate entity, same as the Ford Foundation is to Ford Motor Company. Remember, they have to protect the stockholders and the bottom line.

If you want to know more on the casinos on the Gulf Coast and what they are up to, just go to the local newspaper: http://www.sunherad.com

Bob

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