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Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons

#1

Although I seldom post, I felt as a member of the Group this info
needed to be passed on.

I just came back from a 4 day trip to Harrah's, LV. I am a 7 Star
member of the Total Reward system and have been for several years. My
host who appeared visibly upset, told me Friday evening after a
meeting held just before we met that:

1. Hosts would no longer have "discretionary" comping
privledges. "So, if I want to take a client out for dinner it has to
come out of their comps," she said. "How can I possibly do that!"

2. Comped newspapers, cookies, and "welcome baskets" effective
immediately would be cut.

3. "So, what am I anyway?" said the host. "I'm just a glorified
concierge!"

I was upset too, but being a lady of many years, (a nice way of
saying old), I tried to take in the information with a bit of
understanding. A person who used to having some "authority" within a
company has that authority taken away,it's bound to make that someone
speak in anger.

4. Went to Total Rewards to order something from the 7* catelog.
There is no longer a Seven Star catelog. Gift cards are now
considered "Premium" gifts and are 100% more in Reward points than
they are worth. ie: A $250 card is "paid" with $500 in Total Reward
Points. Cash in the mail has been substituted for "An even better
program," said the clerk. "Now you get points for whatever you pay
for in any of our outlets and restaurants." That made me
feel "special" and a bit put out.

In today's economic climate I can understand cut backs. I can
understand cost saving measures. So in return, I will follow by
example. Next time I book a room at Harrah's, LV I will cut my play
denomination by 75%. I will cut my play time by 95% (Since I'm
getting a free room, I feel I should play something.) I will then
hightail it to another casino and play my normal denomination and
give it 95% of my play.

I have been a loyal Harrah's customer. But I know I can get
better "deals" elsewhere.
MEM

#2

Although I seldom post, I felt as a member of the Group this info
needed to be passed on.

I just came back from a 4 day trip to Harrah's, LV. I am a 7 Star
member of the Total Reward system and have been for several years.

My

host who appeared visibly upset, told me Friday evening after a
meeting held just before we met that:

1. Hosts would no longer have "discretionary" comping
privledges. "So, if I want to take a client out for dinner it has to
come out of their comps," she said. "How can I possibly do that!"

2. Comped newspapers, cookies, and "welcome baskets" effective
immediately would be cut.

3. "So, what am I anyway?" said the host. "I'm just a glorified
concierge!"

I was upset too, but being a lady of many years, (a nice way of
saying old), I tried to take in the information with a bit of
understanding. A person who used to having some "authority" within a
company has that authority taken away,it's bound to make that

someone

speak in anger.

4. Went to Total Rewards to order something from the 7* catelog.
There is no longer a Seven Star catelog. Gift cards are now
considered "Premium" gifts and are 100% more in Reward points than
they are worth. ie: A $250 card is "paid" with $500 in Total Reward
Points. Cash in the mail has been substituted for "An even better
program," said the clerk. "Now you get points for whatever you pay
for in any of our outlets and restaurants." That made me
feel "special" and a bit put out.

In today's economic climate I can understand cut backs. I can
understand cost saving measures. So in return, I will follow by
example. Next time I book a room at Harrah's, LV I will cut my play
denomination by 75%. I will cut my play time by 95% (Since I'm
getting a free room, I feel I should play something.) I will then
hightail it to another casino and play my normal denomination and
give it 95% of my play.

I have been a loyal Harrah's customer. But I know I can get
better "deals" elsewhere.
MEM

You better check that out before burning your bridges with Harrahs.

Mind you, I don't recommend serious play at any of their properties.

But exactly where do you think in today's economy those deals are?
MGM-Mirage just devalued their point value (meaning more coin-in per
point), the Venetian has ravaged their VP inventory, even the Station
casinos have confusing promotion restrictions, etc etc etc

I encourage everyone to look at the total value of what you get on
your stay. If Harrahs provides transportation, travel cash, gift
cards or whatever and the competition does not then a free meal or
welcome basket isn't why you are playing there.

All of us miss the glorious past years of loyalty and excellent
service in return. But take the best you can get for now. Do not
assume the grass is greener elsewhere.

And if you find better pickings out there please let us know.

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "misselmonte2000" <connie@...> wrote:

#3

Mikey,

If you're talking about HET in LV, just what and where would you suggest playing? The place has been torched, no?

JW

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--- On Wed, 7/23/08, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 1:40 PM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "misselmonte2000" <connie@...>
wrote:

Although I seldom post, I felt as a member of the Group this info
needed to be passed on.

I just came back from a 4 day trip to Harrah's, LV. I am a 7 Star
member of the Total Reward system and have been for several years.

My

host who appeared visibly upset, told me Friday evening after a
meeting held just before we met that:

1. Hosts would no longer have "discretionary" comping
privledges. "So, if I want to take a client out for dinner it has to
come out of their comps," she said. "How can I possibly do

that!"

2. Comped newspapers, cookies, and "welcome baskets" effective
immediately would be cut.

3. "So, what am I anyway?" said the host. "I'm just a

glorified

concierge!"

I was upset too, but being a lady of many years, (a nice way of
saying old), I tried to take in the information with a bit of
understanding. A person who used to having some "authority"

within a

company has that authority taken away,it's bound to make that

someone

speak in anger.

4. Went to Total Rewards to order something from the 7* catelog.
There is no longer a Seven Star catelog. Gift cards are now
considered "Premium" gifts and are 100% more in Reward points

than

they are worth. ie: A $250 card is "paid" with $500 in Total

Reward

Points. Cash in the mail has been substituted for "An even better
program," said the clerk. "Now you get points for whatever you

pay

for in any of our outlets and restaurants." That made me
feel "special" and a bit put out.

In today's economic climate I can understand cut backs. I can
understand cost saving measures. So in return, I will follow by
example. Next time I book a room at Harrah's, LV I will cut my play
denomination by 75%. I will cut my play time by 95% (Since I'm
getting a free room, I feel I should play something.) I will then
hightail it to another casino and play my normal denomination and
give it 95% of my play.

I have been a loyal Harrah's customer. But I know I can get
better "deals" elsewhere.
MEM

You better check that out before burning your bridges with Harrahs.

Mind you, I don't recommend serious play at any of their properties.

But exactly where do you think in today's economy those deals are?
MGM-Mirage just devalued their point value (meaning more coin-in per
point), the Venetian has ravaged their VP inventory, even the Station
casinos have confusing promotion restrictions, etc etc etc

I encourage everyone to look at the total value of what you get on
your stay. If Harrahs provides transportation, travel cash, gift
cards or whatever and the competition does not then a free meal or
welcome basket isn't why you are playing there.

All of us miss the glorious past years of loyalty and excellent
service in return. But take the best you can get for now. Do not
assume the grass is greener elsewhere.

And if you find better pickings out there please let us know.

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#4

Mikey,

If you're talking about HET in LV, just what and where would you

suggest playing? The place has been torched, no?

JW

Sadly, yes, all of the former "playable" properties acquired by Harrahs
are difficult now unless you can afford the limited selection in high
limit.

My post suggested that one should not "burn bridges" with Harrahs until
seeing other options. A lot of us used to stay at Harrahs but play at
Venetian and Wynn where you could find full-pay machines in nearby
luxurious properties. Now it is mostly just the Wynn.

But that didn't mean giving Harrahs trips with no play and saying
goodbye. Perks like travel cash and gift cards (they are even doing
Neiman-Marcus this fall) are worth taking a 1% hit on a few hours of
play.

I don't suggest you play short-pay games for comps, because then you
are merely paying with lower return for what you are getting back. But
until there are good solid options from other properties I feel ruining
a rating with Harrahs is counter-productive. And from what I see on the
Strip now it just isn't a great time for us period.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:

#5

Well, what would you expect when you take a company private at the top
of the market and watch its valuation diminish by 50% over the last 9
months? That's what's happened to MGM Mirage (couldn't happen to a
nicer bunch of guys), and that's what's happened to Harrahs. They
gotta pick up the slack somewhere. So, they're going to give you even
more love and even less amenities.

The Texas Pacific/Apollo deal is just a mess. When going private, they
assumed they could move the Grand Biloxi and the Showboat (they're
keeping the Rio for the time being) to defray some of the debt. Only
problem is that there's no money out there to finance a casino deal
right now. Then there's that valuation thingie. The company's market
cap, if they were trading today, would be $9B, and they bought out for
$19B. Not good at all. On top of that, they're entering a down cycle
in the gaming sector, revenues aren't what were the projections had
them be at.

Meanwhile, they Ceasarsize Casino Windsor, while pulling the plug on
their main attraction, which was full pay PE from 25c to $20 denoms.
Now, to be fair, that cutback may have been ordered by OLG, the
provincial lottery corp which is the real owner of the property
(Harrahs merely manages it). All of this while Customs on both sides
pretty much detain anyone who declares they've visited the casino-not
good for business there either (and Motor City and Greektown, while
not profitable, you can at least get to break even on the front end)

Frankly, I avoid the LV properties like the plague, too many hosts
have a real attitude that the house is doing you the biggest favor
taking your money, while forgetting there's a reason their house's
value has dropped 30-40% the last 2 years. Who wants to deal with
people who don't appreciate your business?

You can actually get around the Strip most weekends without too much
hassle and that's a big a red flag as it gets.

Truth be told, I was told this was coming late last year, but if your
ADT is over 1500, you should be not only ok, but even better. I've
gotten this from more than one source at Corporate.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "misselmonte2000" <connie@...> wrote:

(rant about Harrahs and Harrahs LV snipped)

#6

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

>
>(rant about Harrahs and Harrahs LV snipped)

Well, what would you expect when you take a company private at the

top

of the market and watch its valuation diminish by 50% over the last

9

months? That's what's happened to MGM Mirage (couldn't happen to a
nicer bunch of guys), and that's what's happened to Harrahs. They
gotta pick up the slack somewhere. So, they're going to give you

even

more love and even less amenities.

The Texas Pacific/Apollo deal is just a mess. When going private,

they

assumed they could move the Grand Biloxi and the Showboat (they're
keeping the Rio for the time being) to defray some of the debt. Only
problem is that there's no money out there to finance a casino deal
right now. Then there's that valuation thingie. The company's market
cap, if they were trading today, would be $9B, and they bought out

for

$19B. Not good at all. On top of that, they're entering a down cycle
in the gaming sector, revenues aren't what were the projections had
them be at.

Meanwhile, they Ceasarsize Casino Windsor, while pulling the plug on
their main attraction, which was full pay PE from 25c to $20 denoms.
Now, to be fair, that cutback may have been ordered by OLG, the
provincial lottery corp which is the real owner of the property
(Harrahs merely manages it). All of this while Customs on both sides
pretty much detain anyone who declares they've visited the casino-

not

good for business there either (and Motor City and Greektown, while
not profitable, you can at least get to break even on the front end)

Frankly, I avoid the LV properties like the plague, too many hosts
have a real attitude that the house is doing you the biggest favor
taking your money, while forgetting there's a reason their house's
value has dropped 30-40% the last 2 years. Who wants to deal with
people who don't appreciate your business?

You can actually get around the Strip most weekends without too much
hassle and that's a big a red flag as it gets.

Truth be told, I was told this was coming late last year, but if

your

ADT is over 1500, you should be not only ok, but even better. I've
gotten this from more than one source at Corporate.

Hey what is ADT again?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "misselmonte2000" <connie@> wrote:

#7

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Barton J. Kroeger"
<bartonjkroeger@...> wrote:

···

Hey what is ADT again?

==================================
Average Daily Theoretical (loss)

#8

so would $325 a hand for 4 hrs a day on BJ be about $1,500 daily theo? and if you play at that level comps should remain good or better than in the past?

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--- On Wed, 7/23/08, staninnv <arnot@cox.net> wrote:

From: staninnv <arnot@cox.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 9:35 PM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "Barton J. Kroeger"
<bartonjkroeger@ ...> wrote:

Hey what is ADT again?

============ ========= ========= ====
Average Daily Theoretical (loss)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#9

I suggest you people do what I'm doing at Harrah's, and that's going
on strike. I refuse to play at any of their places until they return
the normal payouts that we've become used to. And if you're like me,
you'll let them know it too.

If they think they can keep on cutting pay tables as well as benefits,
they have to be shown that that's not going to help their bottom line.
They were cutting things BEFORE things slowed down in Vegas and when
things were roaring there. Have we forgotten about EVEN MONEY BJ at
the RIO pool? The problem was, that people kept on playing at reduced
rates.

The problem with Vegas is that it's now run by corporations that
Congress let merge and merge. They've raised their food and beverage
prices as well as shows and whatever else they could get away with, as
long as there wasn't any real competition left. Old time casino owners
like Binion and Bennett are long gone and no one wants to give the
gamblers a gamble any longer. They might be lowering hotel prices to
attract players, but even those "reduced rate" rooms are barely down
to the level they were 3-4 years ago.

They don't know how to ride out a recession like the old guys used to
do, even though they've made billions in profits over the last 5
years. Bottom line is all they care about is the bottom line, and will
keep on listening to the bean counters that just want to see them keep
on increasing profits over the cost of keeping customers, and giving
them a fair shake.

Hopefully, common sense will soon take over when someone actually
realizes that reducing all the things we players have had over the
years in the way of fair pay tables and benefits, and they'll bring
most of them back.

What we need is someone new to open a casino and have good pay tables
where the players will dlock to that casino while the others keeps
losing players.

#10

I still believe Harrah's gives me more than any other casino. Air, room, cash in the mail, food vouchers and nice gifts to choose from. Everyone is cutting back in these hard times. Heck, I have cut down on what I spend on everyday living. Give Harrah's a break and see what happens when all the dust settles. I never expect comps just because I like to gamble so every comp is just a nice plus. If the pay offs and comps bother you, stay away. When times are good, comps are given freely. You have to expect lower comps when things aren't so good. I'll stay with Harrah's:)

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--- On Wed, 7/23/08, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 3:40 PM

            --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "misselmonte2000" <connie@...> wrote:

Although I seldom post, I felt as a member of the Group this info

needed to be passed on.

I just came back from a 4 day trip to Harrah's, LV. I am a 7 Star

member of the Total Reward system and have been for several years.

My

host who appeared visibly upset, told me Friday evening after a

meeting held just before we met that:

1. Hosts would no longer have "discretionary" comping

privledges. "So, if I want to take a client out for dinner it has to

come out of their comps," she said. "How can I possibly do that!"

2. Comped newspapers, cookies, and "welcome baskets" effective

immediately would be cut.

3. "So, what am I anyway?" said the host. "I'm just a glorified

concierge!"

I was upset too, but being a lady of many years, (a nice way of

saying old), I tried to take in the information with a bit of

understanding. A person who used to having some "authority" within a

company has that authority taken away,it's bound to make that

someone

speak in anger.

4. Went to Total Rewards to order something from the 7* catelog.

There is no longer a Seven Star catelog. Gift cards are now

considered "Premium" gifts and are 100% more in Reward points than

they are worth. ie: A $250 card is "paid" with $500 in Total Reward

Points. Cash in the mail has been substituted for "An even better

program," said the clerk. "Now you get points for whatever you pay

for in any of our outlets and restaurants. " That made me

feel "special" and a bit put out.

In today's economic climate I can understand cut backs. I can

understand cost saving measures. So in return, I will follow by

example. Next time I book a room at Harrah's, LV I will cut my play

denomination by 75%. I will cut my play time by 95% (Since I'm

getting a free room, I feel I should play something.) I will then

hightail it to another casino and play my normal denomination and

give it 95% of my play.

I have been a loyal Harrah's customer. But I know I can get

better "deals" elsewhere.

MEM

You better check that out before burning your bridges with Harrahs.

Mind you, I don't recommend serious play at any of their properties.

But exactly where do you think in today's economy those deals are?

MGM-Mirage just devalued their point value (meaning more coin-in per

point), the Venetian has ravaged their VP inventory, even the Station

casinos have confusing promotion restrictions, etc etc etc

I encourage everyone to look at the total value of what you get on

your stay. If Harrahs provides transportation, travel cash, gift

cards or whatever and the competition does not then a free meal or

welcome basket isn't why you are playing there.

All of us miss the glorious past years of loyalty and excellent

service in return. But take the best you can get for now. Do not

assume the grass is greener elsewhere.

And if you find better pickings out there please let us know.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#11

Thanks for the tall cold glass of company Kool-Aid Gary Loveman!

So should people stay with Harrah's because they offer the best deals OR because we feel sorry for their decreased business? It seems like you are arguing both points. Also, is it not possible that some portion of the decrease is due to macroeconomic factors, but also exacerbated by the corporate greed evidenced by decreased pay tables and increased non-gaming charges?

Hmmm....so when times are bad we should stick with Harrah's because when times were good they treated everyone soooo well with 6/5 blackjack, 7/5 VP, $200 rooms, and $30 buffets.

Your theory would be great in a socialist country, fortunately we live in a capitalist economy where it is encouraged to take the best deal. If we are all willing to put our neighbors out of work by purchasing foreign products that are better and cheaper why should we support an inferior casino of all things?

All this said, I believe casino operators with a long-term focus will offer even better marketing enticements to grab some market share off the floundering competition. I have personally noticed that while MGM and Harrah's offers have gotten significantly worse, Wynn offers have gotten much better. Specifically, I have historically found Bellagio offering me slightly better comps on comparable play than Wynn. Wynn seems to have gotten more aggresive with their offers. Wynn Q2 earnings in Las Vegas were down from $63 million in 2007 to $20 million in 2008, but their Macau earnings were up from $53 million to over $100 million. If you notice their stock has skyrocketed in July. MGM has also increased on takeover rumors.

In every economy there are winners and losers, personally I'll stick with the "Wynner" and let the Macau market subsidize my upcoming visit to Las Vegas by staying at the Wynn!

Enjoy your Kool-Aid Mr. Loveman!

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--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Money Works <worksforthemoney@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Money Works <worksforthemoney@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 12:48 AM

I still believe Harrah's gives me more than any other casino. Air, room, cash in the mail, food vouchers and nice gifts to choose from. Everyone is cutting back in these hard times. Heck, I have cut down on what I spend on everyday living. Give Harrah's a break and see what happens when all the dust settles. I never expect comps just because I like to gamble so every comp is just a nice plus. If the pay offs and comps bother you, stay away. When times are good, comps are given freely. You have to expect lower comps when things aren't so good. I'll stay with Harrah's:)

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo. com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 3:40 PM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "misselmonte2000" <connie@...> wrote:

Although I seldom post, I felt as a member of the Group this info

needed to be passed on.

I just came back from a 4 day trip to Harrah's, LV. I am a 7 Star

member of the Total Reward system and have been for several years.

My

host who appeared visibly upset, told me Friday evening after a

meeting held just before we met that:

1. Hosts would no longer have "discretionary" comping

privledges. "So, if I want to take a client out for dinner it has to

come out of their comps," she said. "How can I possibly do that!"

2. Comped newspapers, cookies, and "welcome baskets" effective

immediately would be cut.

3. "So, what am I anyway?" said the host. "I'm just a glorified

concierge!"

I was upset too, but being a lady of many years, (a nice way of

saying old), I tried to take in the information with a bit of

understanding. A person who used to having some "authority" within a

company has that authority taken away,it's bound to make that

someone

speak in anger.

4. Went to Total Rewards to order something from the 7* catelog.

There is no longer a Seven Star catelog. Gift cards are now

considered "Premium" gifts and are 100% more in Reward points than

they are worth. ie: A $250 card is "paid" with $500 in Total Reward

Points. Cash in the mail has been substituted for "An even better

program," said the clerk. "Now you get points for whatever you pay

for in any of our outlets and restaurants. " That made me

feel "special" and a bit put out.

In today's economic climate I can understand cut backs. I can

understand cost saving measures. So in return, I will follow by

example. Next time I book a room at Harrah's, LV I will cut my play

denomination by 75%. I will cut my play time by 95% (Since I'm

getting a free room, I feel I should play something.) I will then

hightail it to another casino and play my normal denomination and

give it 95% of my play.

I have been a loyal Harrah's customer. But I know I can get

better "deals" elsewhere.

MEM

You better check that out before burning your bridges with Harrahs.

Mind you, I don't recommend serious play at any of their properties.

But exactly where do you think in today's economy those deals are?

MGM-Mirage just devalued their point value (meaning more coin-in per

point), the Venetian has ravaged their VP inventory, even the Station

casinos have confusing promotion restrictions, etc etc etc

I encourage everyone to look at the total value of what you get on

your stay. If Harrahs provides transportation, travel cash, gift

cards or whatever and the competition does not then a free meal or

welcome basket isn't why you are playing there.

All of us miss the glorious past years of loyalty and excellent

service in return. But take the best you can get for now. Do not

assume the grass is greener elsewhere.

And if you find better pickings out there please let us know.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#12

There is the South Point Casino which is owned by the son of a legend Las Vegas casino owner. South Point has zero debt on its books. Although it looks like a Holiday Inn motel inside the casino, it is not burdened with lots of debt like so many leveraged casinos. So it can give it's customers a better payout.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Robert Levine
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:20 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons

  I suggest you people do what I'm doing at Harrah's, and that's going
  on strike. I refuse to play at any of their places until they return
  the normal payouts that we've become used to. And if you're like me,
  you'll let them know it too.

  If they think they can keep on cutting pay tables as well as benefits,
  they have to be shown that that's not going to help their bottom line.
  They were cutting things BEFORE things slowed down in Vegas and when
  things were roaring there. Have we forgotten about EVEN MONEY BJ at
  the RIO pool? The problem was, that people kept on playing at reduced
  rates.

  The problem with Vegas is that it's now run by corporations that
  Congress let merge and merge. They've raised their food and beverage
  prices as well as shows and whatever else they could get away with, as
  long as there wasn't any real competition left. Old time casino owners
  like Binion and Bennett are long gone and no one wants to give the
  gamblers a gamble any longer. They might be lowering hotel prices to
  attract players, but even those "reduced rate" rooms are barely down
  to the level they were 3-4 years ago.

  They don't know how to ride out a recession like the old guys used to
  do, even though they've made billions in profits over the last 5
  years. Bottom line is all they care about is the bottom line, and will
  keep on listening to the bean counters that just want to see them keep
  on increasing profits over the cost of keeping customers, and giving
  them a fair shake.

  Hopefully, common sense will soon take over when someone actually
  realizes that reducing all the things we players have had over the
  years in the way of fair pay tables and benefits, and they'll bring
  most of them back.

  What we need is someone new to open a casino and have good pay tables
  where the players will dlock to that casino while the others keeps
  losing players.

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#13

I still believe Harrah's gives me more than any other casino. Air, room,
cash in the mail, food vouchers and nice gifts to choose from. Everyone is
cutting back in these hard times. Heck, I have cut down on what I spend on
everyday living. Give Harrah's a break and see what happens when all the
dust settles. I never expect comps just because I like to gamble so every comp
is just a nice plus. If the pay offs and comps bother you, stay away. When
times are good, comps are given freely. You have to expect lower comps when
things aren't so good. I'll stay with Harrah's:)

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--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Money Works <worksforthemoney@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Wow. You could be the poster child for HET, no doubt about that. So let's see, you are driving down the freeway and a nice new car, when up on your bumper comes a sleek new BMW - with the sticker still in place. Surprise! They get better mileage than you, and they paid the same for the car. Do you just keep driving it and hope they someday make your car better? Or do you run to the dealer and trade it off? But, I forgot, you like to drive, and don't expect any fancy perks when you are on the road.

So, even after all the posts on this topic, all the cuts that will continue - Diamond Lounges will be bext, IMHO - all the cutting of decent games, and basically pissing off most of the higher rolling customers you still see a need to stay "married" to this outfit? The analogy I've used before is crude, but fits here; "well he might hit me, but he doesn't hit me that hard, and I know deep down he really wants me to stay. I owe it to him to try and work it out"

Good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for you.....

Jigger

"Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this
bullshit before."

"Ever notice that people who spend money on beer,
cigarettes, and video poker are always complaining
about being broke and not feeling well?"

#14

No other casino pays my airfare and that is a very big perk to me. Saves me about $8oo a trip. Still say no other casino gives me as much for as little as I gamble. I go to Reno and Laughlin and not Vegas though if that makes a difference. Makes Harrah's cost efficient for me. Used to go to Vegas two or three times a year and then switched to where I was treated better:)

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--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's to Give "Just Rewards" to Patrons
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 10:09 AM

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Money Works <worksforthemoney@ yahoo.com> wrote:

I still believe Harrah's gives me more than any other casino. Air, room,

cash in the mail, food vouchers and nice gifts to choose from. Everyone is

cutting back in these hard times. Heck, I have cut down on what I spend on

everyday living. Give Harrah's a break and see what happens when all the

dust settles. I never expect comps just because I like to gamble so every comp

is just a nice plus. If the pay offs and comps bother you, stay away. When

times are good, comps are given freely. You have to expect lower comps when

things aren't so good. I'll stay with Harrah's:)

~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~

Wow. You could be the poster child for HET, no doubt about that. So let's see, you are driving down the freeway and a nice new car, when up on your bumper comes a sleek new BMW - with the sticker still in place. Surprise! They get better mileage than you, and they paid the same for the car. Do you just keep driving it and hope they someday make your car better? Or do you run to the dealer and trade it off? But, I forgot, you like to drive, and don't expect any fancy perks when you are on the road.

So, even after all the posts on this topic, all the cuts that will continue - Diamond Lounges will be bext, IMHO - all the cutting of decent games, and basically pissing off most of the higher rolling customers you still see a need to stay "married" to this outfit? The analogy I've used before is crude, but fits here; "well he might hit me, but he doesn't hit me that hard, and I know deep down he really wants me to stay. I owe it to him to try and work it out"

Good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for you.....

Jigger

"Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this

bullshit before."

"Ever notice that people who spend money on beer,

cigarettes, and video poker are always complaining

about being broke and not feeling well?"

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#15

There is the South Point Casino which is owned by the son of a legend

Las Vegas casino owner. South Point has zero debt on its books.
Although it looks like a Holiday Inn motel inside the casino, it is not
burdened with lots of debt like so many leveraged casinos. So it can
give it's customers a better payout.

  WELL, why hasn't Mikey put in any FPDW? He must know some Locals

will play anything.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Jurek" <wjur@...> wrote: