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Harrahs Reno

#1

Some help please,

During a recent visit I noticed a set of "Blazing 7's" slot
machines in Sammy's Casino. There are 5-7 identical machines
around a pillar in front of the Sammy's Showroom. They are
$1 denomination with a 3rd coin progressive. When I was
there the progressive was a little over $1,500 with a $3
bet. A permanent "neon light" states these machines return
is "98% or higher".

What does anyone know about these machines and this return
display. The particular weekend I was there was a "Play Up
Weekend" with $500 in slot play for 5,000 "play up points".
This was the minimum amount of play eligible for free slot
play. I believe it went up from there in increments of 2,500
"play up points" equaling $250 additional free slot play.
I think the highest was where 10,000 "play up points" earned
$1,000 free slot play. Myabe it was 20,000 fplay up points
for $2,000 in free slot play.

The "play up points" rules stated that you earned points 50%
slower playing video poker. The "play up points" where related
to earned base points that weekend so $10 earned one base
point and $5 earned on slots. So together, slot play earned
"play up points" 3 times as fast as video poker. If one played
video poker it would require a lot of time to earned a minimum
of 5,000 base points unless you played higher denomination
machines.

I guess my question is: How reliable is that "neon sign". It
seems the total return (base game, value of normal reward
credits earned and value of extra "play up points" free play)
would have been slightly better playing those machines rather
than video poker and also certainly faster than anything less
than a $10 video poker machine. What am I missing in this
analysis and how accurate is that 98% and higher display.
I was also thinking that maybe the variance might have been
lower playing slots rather than video poker. This is based
upon the difference between a 4,000 coin royal and the top
hand of the Blazing 7 slot machine.

FWIW, I play just a few $3 hands in the Blazing 7 slot machine
near the end of the weekend. I quit after being ahead a few
hundred after getting 3 7's. The majority of the weekend
I played $2 9/6 JoB video poker. I lost interest in "play up
points" after a $2,000 loss and only being 30% of the way to
the 7,500 minimum required base points required in video poker
for the minimum level of "play up points" free slot play.

I did not go to Reno for this "Play Up Point" weekend.
I had the offer, but went to Reno to consume some expiring
Southwest Airline "Travel Funds" and to take advantage of
$475 in "Express Play Coupons" over a 5 day trip. Maybe if
one needed a boost in base point play in order to get to
either Diamond, or 7 Star status, this "Play Up Point"
weekend might have been more attractive.

I am mainly wondering about these posted 98% slot machines
and how they might be interesting in connection with some
other future pomotion based upon play level! Would they be
a better return than even a $25 slot maching?

Bob

#2

I do not trust Harrahs when it comes to advertizing payback percentages. They used to advertize a certain bank of slots as "up to" 98% payback and the "up to" lettering was so tiny as to border on fraud. That bank that you refer to may well have only one machine in the bank that is "98% or higher" and of course there would be no way of telling which machine that is.

George

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@...> wrote:

Some help please,

During a recent visit I noticed a set of "Blazing 7's" slot
machines in Sammy's Casino. There are 5-7 identical machines
around a pillar in front of the Sammy's Showroom. They are
$1 denomination with a 3rd coin progressive. When I was
there the progressive was a little over $1,500 with a $3
bet. A permanent "neon light" states these machines return
is "98% or higher".

What does anyone know about these machines and this return
display. The particular weekend I was there was a "Play Up
Weekend" with $500 in slot play for 5,000 "play up points".
This was the minimum amount of play eligible for free slot
play. I believe it went up from there in increments of 2,500
"play up points" equaling $250 additional free slot play.
I think the highest was where 10,000 "play up points" earned
$1,000 free slot play. Myabe it was 20,000 fplay up points
for $2,000 in free slot play.

The "play up points" rules stated that you earned points 50%
slower playing video poker. The "play up points" where related
to earned base points that weekend so $10 earned one base
point and $5 earned on slots. So together, slot play earned
"play up points" 3 times as fast as video poker. If one played
video poker it would require a lot of time to earned a minimum
of 5,000 base points unless you played higher denomination
machines.

I guess my question is: How reliable is that "neon sign". It
seems the total return (base game, value of normal reward
credits earned and value of extra "play up points" free play)
would have been slightly better playing those machines rather
than video poker and also certainly faster than anything less
than a $10 video poker machine. What am I missing in this
analysis and how accurate is that 98% and higher display.
I was also thinking that maybe the variance might have been
lower playing slots rather than video poker. This is based
upon the difference between a 4,000 coin royal and the top
hand of the Blazing 7 slot machine.

FWIW, I play just a few $3 hands in the Blazing 7 slot machine
near the end of the weekend. I quit after being ahead a few
hundred after getting 3 7's. The majority of the weekend
I played $2 9/6 JoB video poker. I lost interest in "play up
points" after a $2,000 loss and only being 30% of the way to
the 7,500 minimum required base points required in video poker
for the minimum level of "play up points" free slot play.

I did not go to Reno for this "Play Up Point" weekend.
I had the offer, but went to Reno to consume some expiring
Southwest Airline "Travel Funds" and to take advantage of
$475 in "Express Play Coupons" over a 5 day trip. Maybe if
one needed a boost in base point play in order to get to
either Diamond, or 7 Star status, this "Play Up Point"
weekend might have been more attractive.

I am mainly wondering about these posted 98% slot machines
and how they might be interesting in connection with some
other future pomotion based upon play level! Would they be
a better return than even a $25 slot maching?

Bob

#3

yeah, I remember years back, when that sign was over the $1 full pay deuces, and 4700 coin jokers over at Harrahs Vegas.
best...Tom

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----- Original Message ----- From: "George" <wxmen@sonic.net>
To: <vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:23 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Re: Harrahs Reno

I do not trust Harrahs when it comes to advertizing payback percentages. They used to advertize a certain bank of slots as "up to" 98% payback and the "up to" lettering was so tiny as to border on fraud. That bank that you refer to may well have only one machine in the bank that is "98% or higher" and of course there would be no way of telling which machine that is.

George

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@...> wrote:

Some help please,

During a recent visit I noticed a set of "Blazing 7's" slot
machines in Sammy's Casino. There are 5-7 identical machines
around a pillar in front of the Sammy's Showroom. They are
$1 denomination with a 3rd coin progressive. When I was
there the progressive was a little over $1,500 with a $3
bet. A permanent "neon light" states these machines return
is "98% or higher".

What does anyone know about these machines and this return
display. The particular weekend I was there was a "Play Up
Weekend" with $500 in slot play for 5,000 "play up points".
This was the minimum amount of play eligible for free slot
play. I believe it went up from there in increments of 2,500
"play up points" equaling $250 additional free slot play.
I think the highest was where 10,000 "play up points" earned
$1,000 free slot play. Myabe it was 20,000 fplay up points
for $2,000 in free slot play.

The "play up points" rules stated that you earned points 50%
slower playing video poker. The "play up points" where related
to earned base points that weekend so $10 earned one base
point and $5 earned on slots. So together, slot play earned
"play up points" 3 times as fast as video poker. If one played
video poker it would require a lot of time to earned a minimum
of 5,000 base points unless you played higher denomination
machines.

I guess my question is: How reliable is that "neon sign". It
seems the total return (base game, value of normal reward
credits earned and value of extra "play up points" free play)
would have been slightly better playing those machines rather
than video poker and also certainly faster than anything less
than a $10 video poker machine. What am I missing in this
analysis and how accurate is that 98% and higher display.
I was also thinking that maybe the variance might have been
lower playing slots rather than video poker. This is based
upon the difference between a 4,000 coin royal and the top
hand of the Blazing 7 slot machine.

FWIW, I play just a few $3 hands in the Blazing 7 slot machine
near the end of the weekend. I quit after being ahead a few
hundred after getting 3 7's. The majority of the weekend
I played $2 9/6 JoB video poker. I lost interest in "play up
points" after a $2,000 loss and only being 30% of the way to
the 7,500 minimum required base points required in video poker
for the minimum level of "play up points" free slot play.

I did not go to Reno for this "Play Up Point" weekend.
I had the offer, but went to Reno to consume some expiring
Southwest Airline "Travel Funds" and to take advantage of
$475 in "Express Play Coupons" over a 5 day trip. Maybe if
one needed a boost in base point play in order to get to
either Diamond, or 7 Star status, this "Play Up Point"
weekend might have been more attractive.

I am mainly wondering about these posted 98% slot machines
and how they might be interesting in connection with some
other future pomotion based upon play level! Would they be
a better return than even a $25 slot maching?

Bob

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#4

Hey Bob, good to hear your post way up north. I really don't have any personal
knowledge about those Blazing 7's games, but you may have stumbled on something
good. Double check for that "up to" disclaimer...keep walking if you see that
anywhere. If you don't see that posted, I would have to assume the entire bank
will return 98% or better. With a progressive you could assume it would be
better. I am not as skeptical as others with Harrah's advertising. Sorry to
hear about the 2K loss early in the hunt.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@...> wrote:

Some help please,

During a recent visit I noticed a set of "Blazing 7's" slot
machines in Sammy's Casino. There are 5-7 identical machines
around a pillar in front of the Sammy's Showroom. They are
$1 denomination with a 3rd coin progressive. When I was
there the progressive was a little over $1,500 with a $3
bet. A permanent "neon light" states these machines return
is "98% or higher".

What does anyone know about these machines and this return
display. The particular weekend I was there was a "Play Up
Weekend" with $500 in slot play for 5,000 "play up points".
This was the minimum amount of play eligible for free slot
play. I believe it went up from there in increments of 2,500
"play up points" equaling $250 additional free slot play.
I think the highest was where 10,000 "play up points" earned
$1,000 free slot play. Myabe it was 20,000 fplay up points
for $2,000 in free slot play.

The "play up points" rules stated that you earned points 50%
slower playing video poker. The "play up points" where related
to earned base points that weekend so $10 earned one base
point and $5 earned on slots. So together, slot play earned
"play up points" 3 times as fast as video poker. If one played
video poker it would require a lot of time to earned a minimum
of 5,000 base points unless you played higher denomination
machines.

I guess my question is: How reliable is that "neon sign". It
seems the total return (base game, value of normal reward
credits earned and value of extra "play up points" free play)
would have been slightly better playing those machines rather
than video poker and also certainly faster than anything less
than a $10 video poker machine. What am I missing in this
analysis and how accurate is that 98% and higher display.
I was also thinking that maybe the variance might have been
lower playing slots rather than video poker. This is based
upon the difference between a 4,000 coin royal and the top
hand of the Blazing 7 slot machine.

FWIW, I play just a few $3 hands in the Blazing 7 slot machine
near the end of the weekend. I quit after being ahead a few
hundred after getting 3 7's. The majority of the weekend
I played $2 9/6 JoB video poker. I lost interest in "play up
points" after a $2,000 loss and only being 30% of the way to
the 7,500 minimum required base points required in video poker
for the minimum level of "play up points" free slot play.

I did not go to Reno for this "Play Up Point" weekend.
I had the offer, but went to Reno to consume some expiring
Southwest Airline "Travel Funds" and to take advantage of
$475 in "Express Play Coupons" over a 5 day trip. Maybe if
one needed a boost in base point play in order to get to
either Diamond, or 7 Star status, this "Play Up Point"
weekend might have been more attractive.

I am mainly wondering about these posted 98% slot machines
and how they might be interesting in connection with some
other future pomotion based upon play level! Would they be
a better return than even a $25 slot maching?

Bob

#5

Harvey's in Tahoe has those 98% machines. They are the real 98% not those fake "up to".
When you think about it, 2% on dollar machines is more than enough hold.
Hell, all slots should be 98%. The casinos would likely make more money from intelligent gamblers who would give them an occasional whirl; from word of mouth about how loose they are and from slot junkies busted out on those lousy 91% machines.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "George" <wxmen@...> wrote:

I do not trust Harrahs when it comes to advertizing payback percentages. They used to advertize a certain bank of slots as "up to" 98% payback and the "up to" lettering was so tiny as to border on fraud. That bank that you refer to may well have only one machine in the bank that is "98% or higher" and of course there would be no way of telling which machine that is.

George

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@> wrote:
>
> Some help please,
>
> During a recent visit I noticed a set of "Blazing 7's" slot
> machines in Sammy's Casino. There are 5-7 identical machines
> around a pillar in front of the Sammy's Showroom. They are
> $1 denomination with a 3rd coin progressive. When I was
> there the progressive was a little over $1,500 with a $3
> bet. A permanent "neon light" states these machines return
> is "98% or higher".
>
> What does anyone know about these machines and this return
> display. The particular weekend I was there was a "Play Up
> Weekend" with $500 in slot play for 5,000 "play up points".
> This was the minimum amount of play eligible for free slot
> play. I believe it went up from there in increments of 2,500
> "play up points" equaling $250 additional free slot play.
> I think the highest was where 10,000 "play up points" earned
> $1,000 free slot play. Myabe it was 20,000 fplay up points
> for $2,000 in free slot play.
>
> The "play up points" rules stated that you earned points 50%
> slower playing video poker. The "play up points" where related
> to earned base points that weekend so $10 earned one base
> point and $5 earned on slots. So together, slot play earned
> "play up points" 3 times as fast as video poker. If one played
> video poker it would require a lot of time to earned a minimum
> of 5,000 base points unless you played higher denomination
> machines.
>
> I guess my question is: How reliable is that "neon sign". It
> seems the total return (base game, value of normal reward
> credits earned and value of extra "play up points" free play)
> would have been slightly better playing those machines rather
> than video poker and also certainly faster than anything less
> than a $10 video poker machine. What am I missing in this
> analysis and how accurate is that 98% and higher display.
> I was also thinking that maybe the variance might have been
> lower playing slots rather than video poker. This is based
> upon the difference between a 4,000 coin royal and the top
> hand of the Blazing 7 slot machine.
>
> FWIW, I play just a few $3 hands in the Blazing 7 slot machine
> near the end of the weekend. I quit after being ahead a few
> hundred after getting 3 7's. The majority of the weekend
> I played $2 9/6 JoB video poker. I lost interest in "play up
> points" after a $2,000 loss and only being 30% of the way to
> the 7,500 minimum required base points required in video poker
> for the minimum level of "play up points" free slot play.
>
> I did not go to Reno for this "Play Up Point" weekend.
> I had the offer, but went to Reno to consume some expiring
> Southwest Airline "Travel Funds" and to take advantage of
> $475 in "Express Play Coupons" over a 5 day trip. Maybe if
> one needed a boost in base point play in order to get to
> either Diamond, or 7 Star status, this "Play Up Point"
> weekend might have been more attractive.
>
> I am mainly wondering about these posted 98% slot machines
> and how they might be interesting in connection with some
> other future pomotion based upon play level! Would they be
> a better return than even a $25 slot maching?
>
> Bob
>