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Harrah's Reno gets even worse

If I owned a casino, all VP would be under 98%. Sure, historically most players have played badly enough that the "good" games were all profitable for the casino. But today most players are either so dumb that they won't blink at playing bad pay tables, or smart enough to play the good pay tables close enough to perfectly that the casino makes little or no money from them. I just don't see that there's a huge market for half-smart players who will balk at bad pay tables, but will be profitable for the casino when they're playing the good pay tables. Opportunities for advantage play at video poker have always depended on the existence of that market.

Anyway, that's clearly how more and more casinos view the situation. Face it, that's our future.

But I'm way too nice a guy to own a casino.

Your arguments make sense.

However… The two most successful casinos in Reno have the best VP.

I don’t claim this is all due to good VP, but one does have to wonder.

if perhaps it is a factor.

People grumble when payables are slashed. Even if a stupid player has

zero clue, he does hear more negativity about such places. Suddenly,

Harrah’s is not so "lucky"as it used to be. The place where he used to have

fun is now empty with an occasional complaint from the few stray victims

remaining. He can head right down to the street to the Peppermill where

people are having a lot more fun. Such a place will be perceived as “lucky”

And much more often than not, such payable cuts happen to all games. The slots

that used allow a player to bleed slowly and even score a win on occasion now eats

$20 bills like Chris Christie eats cheeseburgers. The attitude of taking more from

the marks is hardly limited to VP.

There is also the very real fact that such places win more from everyone.

Instead of losing 2%, maybe now these same players lose 4%. That will

show up as more losing sessions and a whole lot of sessions where losing

is the dominant experience, even if a big hit produces the occasional win.

9/6 Jacks played perfectly is not a big money maker for the casino, especially

if they have competitive player perks, but its hardly a loser either. A large number

of players will lose much more than the theoretical 0.46% house edge of the game.

More importantly, these folks play other games and spend money in other ways.

Only a few are truly adept at working the system in a way that can do much damage

and frankly, those holes have far more to do with stupid management who lacks

the good sense to recognize the methods used by those of us who have exploited

their system. If they fix those leaks and leave the games alone the casino will be

much better off.

QZ

Fortunately, that's not my experience. I see a LOT of the players you
call "half-smart". And even pretty dumb players will eventually
realize that their money goes away a lot quicker between quads, or
that no one else seems to be playing there, or their smarter buddy
says it's a bad place to play now.

The downgrades don't seem to have done Harrah's Reno any favors.
Check out this photo, a flyer titled "Harrah's High Limit Top 10
Luckiest Slots": https://goo.gl/KHJSA8

The #3 $5 slot, and the top $5 VP machine, is a Game King that paid
out all of $9000 for the entire month of January! Their high limit VP
action is now essentially nonexistent. Not going to make any money
that way.

Most places in town have had incremental downgrades over the years,
but the only other example that comes to mind for a Reno casino that
drastically slashed their VP paytables is Siena. Didn't work out too
well for them, either, given that they just closed the casino.

Cheers,

Five

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If I owned a casino, all VP would be under 98%. Sure, historically most
players have played badly enough that the "good" games were all
profitable for the casino. But today most players are either so dumb
that they won't blink at playing bad pay tables, or smart enough to play
the good pay tables close enough to perfectly that the casino makes
little or no money from them. I just don't see that there's a huge
market for half-smart players who will balk at bad pay tables, but will
be profitable for the casino when they're playing the good pay tables.