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Hard Rock is now downgrading single line VP????

#1

Don't be fooled, the hosts KNOW what has happened. I spoke to one a few weeks ago about the downgrades, and the same act, he said he was unaware, and would look into it. After all what are they supposed to do? THey have no control over what"corporate" does. So they have to act sympathetic towards the players, acting as if they have no idea management has destroyed the place for video poker players.

Guess they are marketing to young, dumb, out of towners, who play anything, just to say they gambling in Las Vegas.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:

Was just there last night and it looks as though almost every bank got downgraded. There is still one bank of 25/50/1 that has 9/7 DB and 8/5 BP. Thats it. I checked some of the multi-line and all were downgraded. The place is almost a wasteland now except for a little bit in the high limit. I let my host know what was going on and he was unaware of all the changes. He was actually upset.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "st.tropez97" <st.tropez97@> wrote:
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> Another downgrade at Hard Rock LV:
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> The three $1/$2/$5 machines in high limit have had the 9/6 JoB and 9/6 Bdlx downgraded.
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> I don't believe there are any more $1 or $2 9/6 JoB or 9/6 Bdlx there.
>

#2

7th warrior wrote,
"Guess they are marketing to young, dumb, out of towners, who play anything, just to say they gambling in Las Vegas."

Oddly, those might be the majority who come to Vegas and spend tons of money! I don't really enjoy hearing them called dumb in that regard. So they don't know the perfect way to play video poker? Horrors! Maybe they are coming to party, dine, get dressed up and be entertained rather than stalking the various casinos complaining that these great hotels are no longer supplying the retired locals with the best odds on a gambling machine. Oh, and they, as I mentioned before, are spending money while they do these things.

Who do you think the big hotel/casino/resorts should be marketing to? Stick with the locals casinos who need your business to complain about the fact that they should be compromising their bottom line to supply you with what you want.

Valerie

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#3

Without Locals, the "local" casinos will die. Tourists come and go, Locals FEED the casinos with their dollars. I am not asking for 110% machines, just a chance to lose my money slowly.
Tourists are here for limited time and can afford to lose quickly, us locals are here ALL the time, and want someentertainment for our dollars.
Yes I call the youngsters who are buying the $5 cupcakes for sale at the casino coffee shop dumb. Not to mention the $15 fancy drink, or $4 bagel and butter, or $6 muffin. The casinos do fine with their bottom line with these youngsters who seem to have unlimited funds.

But you won't see many locals paying these prices. Even with comps, it is ridiculous the prices that are charged.

So yes I think the casinos should market to locals, not just tourists. Leaving 3 or 4 machines with decent pay tables out of the 100's they have in the casino can't hurt them THAT much can it?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie Pollard" <vpollard@...> wrote:

7th warrior wrote,
"Guess they are marketing to young, dumb, out of towners, who play anything, just to say they gambling in Las Vegas."

Oddly, those might be the majority who come to Vegas and spend tons of money! I don't really enjoy hearing them called dumb in that regard. So they don't know the perfect way to play video poker? Horrors! Maybe they are coming to party, dine, get dressed up and be entertained rather than stalking the various casinos complaining that these great hotels are no longer supplying the retired locals with the best odds on a gambling machine. Oh, and they, as I mentioned before, are spending money while they do these things.

Who do you think the big hotel/casino/resorts should be marketing to? Stick with the locals casinos who need your business to complain about the fact that they should be compromising their bottom line to supply you with what you want.

Valerie

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#4

"Yes I call the youngsters who are buying the $5 cupcakes for sale at the casino coffee shop dumb. Not to mention the $15 fancy drink, or $4 bagel and butter, or $6 muffin. The casinos do fine with their bottom line with these youngsters who seem to have unlimited funds.
But you won't see many locals paying these prices. Even with comps, it is ridiculous the prices that are charged."

But what do you think Las Vegas is really all about? Do you think all of these expensive beautiful casinos, resorts, shows, etc are all for the locals who live in the city? I live in an area that is very expensive for tourists as well (though nothing like Las Vegas) - and I understand that.
I'm sorry, but I don't think that the giant casinos are going to die without the locals business. Sam's Town, Station Casinos and all the others depend a lot more on that.

Yes, tourists come and go - over and over and over again. Conventions, etc etc etc do come and go and bring in tons of money with each one.
Wow - you can't see Las Vegas for what it is considered to be all over the world - you can't excuse the casinos for getting what they can to support what it costs to keep that going.
Perhaps you are too close since you live there and it's your everyday world.....Mind you, I'm talking about the properties on the Strip in this regard.

Valerie

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#5

Up 'till now I had nothing to add to this thread because I had not been the HR in a few months. I went in two days ago and had this discussion with a floor person I know.

FK: Everything seems to have been moved or changed, do you know where the best games are now? I thought there was still some 9/6 JoB somewhere.

Floor Person (Paraphrased): Oh it's probably been taken out. The new owners are killing us. You know if the players aren't doing well it hurts our tips. Nobody's winning now and we aren't making any money either. We have complained, but they aren't listening.

FK: I'm sorry to hear that. What do you think is going to happen to this place?

Floor Person (Paraphrased): Nothing good. I'm looking for another job already. Have you heard of anywhere that's hiring. You have juice, don't you?

FK: I do have juice, but it's pomegranate and hard to drink straight.

Floor Person (Paraphrased): Huh...What?

FK: Oh it was a joke...sorry. I'll look into it and see what I can do.

~FK

#6

They are going with the Harrah's profile. Nothing playable, all gamblers are suckers. They think they can survive on the pool, food and music venue revenues. I don't know if Frank was talking to a cocktail waitress, but I'm sure they're hurting bad. Shout out to Marci and Windy! The last time I was there in April, there were very few people in the casino.

Can Frank or Bob talk to the new casino manager, Mr. Warner. I'm going to forward this to John Krouskopf, who left the Palms for the HRH recently.

James Thompson
former hrh casino monitor

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: frank@progressivevp.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:31:10 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hard Rock is now downgrading single line VP???

      Up 'till now I had nothing to add to this thread because I had not been the HR in a few months. I went in two days ago and had this discussion with a floor person I know.

FK: Everything seems to have been moved or changed, do you know where the best games are now? I thought there was still some 9/6 JoB somewhere.

Floor Person (Paraphrased): Oh it's probably been taken out. The new owners are killing us. You know if the players aren't doing well it hurts our tips. Nobody's winning now and we aren't making any money either. We have complained, but they aren't listening.

FK: I'm sorry to hear that. What do you think is going to happen to this place?

Floor Person (Paraphrased): Nothing good. I'm looking for another job already. Have you heard of anywhere that's hiring. You have juice, don't you?

FK: I do have juice, but it's pomegranate and hard to drink straight.

Floor Person (Paraphrased): Huh...What?

FK: Oh it was a joke...sorry. I'll look into it and see what I can do.

~FK

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#7

My best friend Stu wants to leave Vegas for the exact reason listed below. Vegas used to be full of cheap food deals and great blackjack games. Now he thinks he can't win playing blackjack and refused to pay the food prices at Green Valley Ranch and other places.

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#8

The new management (Gary Loveman) types that are changing the gambling landscape believe that demand for the Las Vegas product is still strong. This is incorrect. Casinos will continue to spread into other locals as long as their chief product is gambling instead of the bs on the strip. The casino building growth halt is the first step toward an eventual reduced demand for Vegas. I hope I am wrong, but Casino management doesn't know how to milk a good play. They are headed full speed to burn it up.

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My best friend Stu wants to leave Vegas for the exact reason listed below. Vegas used to be full of cheap food deals and great blackjack games. Now he thinks he can't win playing blackjack and refused to pay the food prices at Green Valley Ranch and other places.

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#9

Recent HRH casino downgrading isn't surprising. Up until a month ago Joe Magliarditi and his travelling Casino Manager Richard Strafella were in charge, but only briefly. If you remember, within the past year or so, the HRH GM killed himself and these guys came over from the M in a big industry announcement.

The M's always been a decent place for players--but not all players. Joe Mag & Strafella opened the M after a stint at the helm of the Colorado Belle & Edgewater in Laughlin--two of the best places for lower limit to play in that town.

But, I happen to agree with Valerie on how locals should be more concerned with what's going on in their casinos rather than complaining about what the touristy joints do. The Hard Rock is still reeling from all the $$$ spent on its expansion, and now they appear to be struggling even more. I know John Krauskoph too. He bailed ship when the Palms wasn't doing well and unless those type jobs are hard to come by these days, he won't stay on the HRH either.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@...> wrote:

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They are going with the Harrah's profile. Nothing playable, all gamblers are suckers. They think they can survive on the pool, food and music venue revenues. I don't know if Frank was talking to a cocktail waitress, but I'm sure they're hurting bad. Shout out to Marci and Windy! The last time I was there in April, there were very few people in the casino.

Can Frank or Bob talk to the new casino manager, Mr. Warner. I'm going to forward this to John Krouskopf, who left the Palms for the HRH recently.

James Thompson
former hrh casino monitor