guaranteed play @ station...
"The average play time on 75 hands of Guaranteed Play is 25 minutes"
I find that hard to believe. That's only 3 hands/minute, or 180
hands/hour.
They are claiming that, on average, the player gets enough in wins to play for 25 minutes, not that 75 hands will take 25 minutes.
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"The average play time on 75 hands of Guaranteed Play is 25 minutes"
I find that hard to believe. That's only 3 hands/minute, or 180
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@...>
wrote:
They are claiming that, on average, the player gets enough in wins
to
play
for 25 minutes, not that 75 hands will take 25 minutes.
In terms of the number of hands played, wins and losses don't matter
on these games.
You buy in for a set number of hands. Once you've played that number
of hands your time is up, so to speak, and you either have a positive
or negative credit balance.
So, it does appear that the focus group (which I'm sure didn't
include a single member of vpFree and maybe not even a single vp
player) was playing at only 180 hph.
Of course I suppose some lucky participants in the focus group may
have cashed out with more $ than they bought in for and then did a re-
buy so that they could continue to play the game. Maybe some of them
even did this twice before then ended up with a negative credit
balance. Maybe -- but I wouldn't bet on it.
Bill
Is it just me, or does anyone else here think this concept is destined
to be a massive failure mostly because it will be perceived to be a
ripoff by the general public? Whether it is or isn't a ripoff doesn't
really matter - if the public perceives it that way, they won't play.
EE
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lv_nv_realtor" <irdd@...> wrote:
http://www.lvrj.com/business/9370271.html
Is it just me, or does anyone else here think this concept is
destined to be a massive failure mostly because it will be perceived
to be a ripoff by the general public? Whether it is or isn't a
ripoff doesn't really matter - if the public perceives it that way,
they won't play.
EE
EE,
I was on the same wavelength. But on the LVA message boards, a
member by the name of 'goldfada' offered this...
"It may not be the concept that's fatally flawed; it may be the
price. If they charged $5.00 for 100 guaranteed hands of $1 9/6 JoB,
the machines would be occupied around the clock. We're never going
to see $5.00/100, but there is a price at which many of us would be
willing to play and that would still be profitable for the casino."
Food for thought...
Don the Dentist
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@...> wrote:
It's apparently not being well received by the public (that might be an understatement) . I'm sure they didn't expect a big response from knowledgeable players (nor would they care), but the response from the regular local player has got to be disappointing.
Obviously, this was supposed to be the next big thing in video poker. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Skip
vpFREE discounts:
http://www.vpplayer.com/GROUP/vpfree.html
http://www.vpinsider.com/vpfree/
(For both sites, use userid=vpfree and password=vpfree.)
eecounter wrote:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "lv_nv_realtor" <irdd@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.lvrj.com/business/9370271.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is it just me, or does anyone else here think this concept is destined
to be a massive failure mostly because it will be perceived to be a
ripoff by the general public? Whether it is or isn't a ripoff doesn't
really matter - if the public perceives it that way, they won't play.EE
I was at Red Rock today. I didn't see ANYONE playing a GVP machine.
The funny thing is, as originally posted, the machine can still be
played with the original Game King platform it had. Maybe it is the
Red & Blue backglass that scares people away from even sitting down at
a machine they used to play not long ago.
My feeling is these GVP/GK machines have seen a HUGE drop in revenue.
Perhaps some vice president should be fired. Or...take the $1
paytables and put it on the 25c paytable. That would be too easy. So
what does Station do? Start the TV ad machine with the
upcoming "video poker hand giveaway". What does a local TV ad campaign
cost? Got to be thousands.
Is it just me, or does anyone else here think this concept is
destined
to be a massive failure mostly because it will be perceived to be a
ripoff by the general public? Whether it is or isn't a ripoff
doesn't
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@...> wrote:
really matter - if the public perceives it that way, they won't play.
EE
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lv_nv_realtor" <irdd@> wrote:
>
> http://www.lvrj.com/business/9370271.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
For very poor players it is fare but lousy for others. First of all pay tables are not full pay. BP shorts one on the full house and so does JOB, thus even with 400 hands for $40 of 8/6 jacks with a H.A. of 1.5% - normal play with $500 (400 hands) - 1.5% = $7.50 average loss -here you pay $40 - stations knows what they are doing!
Skip Hughes <skiphughes@cox.net> wrote: It's apparently not being well received by the public (that might be
an understatement) . I'm sure they didn't expect a big response from
knowledgeable players (nor would they care), but the response from the
regular local player has got to be disappointing.
Obviously, this was supposed to be the next big thing in video poker.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Skip
vpFREE discounts:
http://www.vpplayer.com/GROUP/vpfree.html
http://www.vpinsider.com/vpfree/
(For both sites, use userid=vpfree and password=vpfree.)
eecounter wrote:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>,
"lv_nv_realtor" <irdd@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.lvrj.com/business/9370271.html
<http://www.lvrj.com/business/9370271.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is it just me, or does anyone else here think this concept is destined
to be a massive failure mostly because it will be perceived to be a
ripoff by the general public? Whether it is or isn't a ripoff doesn't
really matter - if the public perceives it that way, they won't play.EE
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Skip Hughes <skiphughes@cox.net> wrote: It's apparently not being well received by the public (that might be
an understatement) . I'm sure they didn't expect a big response from
knowledgeable players (nor would they care), but the response from the
regular local player has got to be disappointing.
Obviously, this was supposed to be the next big thing in video poker.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Skip
I think that Guaranteed Play can be a sucess, but has been placed in the wrong venue. People who kill time &/or play for fun in bars, Indian casinos, at racetracks, on cruise ships, tourists and conventioneers on the Strip, etc, should enjoy playing these machines
>
>I think that Guaranteed Play can be a sucess, but has been placed
in the
>wrong venue. People who kill time &/or play for fun in bars, Indian
>casinos, at racetracks, on cruise ships, tourists and
conventioneers on the
>Strip, etc, should enjoy playing these machines
Nice insight. However, This has the smell of
marketing research gone awry.