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Greektown Bartops

#1

This is submitted as an FYI for everyone. I can attest to all facts except for the second-hand information below.

Yesterday, 12/30, I got to Greektown after work and saw the bartop meter at about $6500.

I played for half an hour. Suddenly the meter reset to $4000. Nobody won the jackpot, the meter reset on its own. People were checking around, but no machine was displaying a royal. Someone beefed to the bartender, who got on the phone, presumably to call slot personnel. I left the bar area, some people played on.

When I came back in an hour, I saw that all bartop screens were blue, displaying "OUT OF SERVICE" or whatever the message is. I left again to go play somewhere else.

When I came back in another hour, the games were back online, at $4013. I asked a bartender if the jackpot was hit or if the machines had simply been turned back on. He said that they were just turned back on. I then went home.

The only second-hand information here is from the bartender, who may or may not have known what he was talking about. I do not know how long the machines were up and running before I came back (the second time).

#2

"Casinos are about as close as any business can get to being labeled, 'organized crime."
--VP Pappy

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:

This is submitted as an FYI for everyone. I can attest to all facts except for the second-hand information below.

Yesterday, 12/30, I got to Greektown after work and saw the bartop meter at about $6500.

I played for half an hour. Suddenly the meter reset to $4000. Nobody won the jackpot, the meter reset on its own. People were checking around, but no machine was displaying a royal. Someone beefed to the bartender, who got on the phone, presumably to call slot personnel. I left the bar area, some people played on.

When I came back in an hour, I saw that all bartop screens were blue, displaying "OUT OF SERVICE" or whatever the message is. I left again to go play somewhere else.

When I came back in another hour, the games were back online, at $4013. I asked a bartender if the jackpot was hit or if the machines had simply been turned back on. He said that they were just turned back on. I then went home.

The only second-hand information here is from the bartender, who may or may not have known what he was talking about. I do not know how long the machines were up and running before I came back (the second time).

#3

VP Pappy; You are right, this past year has been a total dis-ass-ter for my play, I do hope things change for the "betters" this year.
I think I'll try reading a book at the casinos insted of playing their Game of giving your all.
Nick

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--- On Fri, 1/1/10, vppappy <tismurph@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: vppappy <tismurph@hotmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] Re: Greektown Bartops
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 11:28 AM
"Casinos are about as close as any
business can get to being labeled, 'organized crime."
--VP Pappy

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com,
"rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:
>
> This is submitted as an FYI for everyone. I can
attest to all facts except for the second-hand information
below.
>
> Yesterday, 12/30, I got to Greektown after work and
saw the bartop meter at about $6500.
>
> I played for half an hour. Suddenly the meter
reset to $4000. Nobody won the jackpot, the meter
reset on its own. People were checking around, but no
machine was displaying a royal. Someone beefed to the
bartender, who got on the phone, presumably to call slot
personnel. I left the bar area, some people played
on.
>
> When I came back in an hour, I saw that all bartop
screens were blue, displaying "OUT OF SERVICE" or whatever
the message is. I left again to go play somewhere
else.
>
> When I came back in another hour, the games were back
online, at $4013. I asked a bartender if the jackpot
was hit or if the machines had simply been turned back
on. He said that they were just turned back on.
I then went home.
>
> The only second-hand information here is from the
bartender, who may or may not have known what he was talking
about. I do not know how long the machines were up and
running before I came back (the second time).
>

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#4

If this is indeed what happened, you need to file with MGCB. Maybe the Greektown personnel who monitor this board can offer up an explanation.

John Navrone, any idea what happened here?

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:

This is submitted as an FYI for everyone. I can attest to all facts except for the second-hand information below.

Yesterday, 12/30, I got to Greektown after work and saw the bartop meter at about $6500.

I played for half an hour. Suddenly the meter reset to $4000. Nobody won the jackpot, the meter reset on its own. People were checking around, but no machine was displaying a royal. Someone beefed to the bartender, who got on the phone, presumably to call slot personnel. I left the bar area, some people played on.

When I came back in an hour, I saw that all bartop screens were blue, displaying "OUT OF SERVICE" or whatever the message is. I left again to go play somewhere else.

When I came back in another hour, the games were back online, at $4013. I asked a bartender if the jackpot was hit or if the machines had simply been turned back on. He said that they were just turned back on. I then went home.

The only second-hand information here is from the bartender, who may or may not have known what he was talking about. I do not know how long the machines were up and running before I came back (the second time).

#5

Did anyone else see this or have any information on this? I sent a note to the Greektown 'contact us' on their website but haven't heard back.

I have no problem filing with gaming but I would like to get some details and another person to back up the information.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "johnnyzee48127" <greeklandjohnny@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "rrakay" <rrakay@> wrote:
>
> This is submitted as an FYI for everyone. I can attest to all facts except for the second-hand information below.
>
> Yesterday, 12/30, I got to Greektown after work and saw the bartop meter at about $6500.
>
> I played for half an hour. Suddenly the meter reset to $4000. Nobody won the jackpot, the meter reset on its own. People were checking around, but no machine was displaying a royal. Someone beefed to the bartender, who got on the phone, presumably to call slot personnel. I left the bar area, some people played on.
>
> When I came back in an hour, I saw that all bartop screens were blue, displaying "OUT OF SERVICE" or whatever the message is. I left again to go play somewhere else.
>
> When I came back in another hour, the games were back online, at $4013. I asked a bartender if the jackpot was hit or if the machines had simply been turned back on. He said that they were just turned back on. I then went home.
>
> The only second-hand information here is from the bartender, who may or may not have known what he was talking about. I do not know how long the machines were up and running before I came back (the second time).
>
If this is indeed what happened, you need to file with MGCB. Maybe the Greektown personnel who monitor this board can offer up an explanation.

John Navrone, any idea what happened here?

#6

This isn't surprising. In Q3 2009, GT all but eliminated comp accrual on those bartops. When I approached a host, after running about $20k, for a reason why I had only earned $1 (that's not a typo) in comps his explanation was that "you won". Now keep in mind I didn't hit a RF, I just hit a few extra quads. I thought this was a mistake so I tried it again with a friend. We got lucky (again) and he earned about $1 in comp.

But let's be equal opportunity critics. Motor City ran their 3x points promo back in October. Anyone who hit them for ~$500+ in cashback had their slot club bennies pulled. All of them...including comps. MC paid the value of the points (checks were PREprinted for all those who played heavy) but basically said tough $hit on the comp value. Now it was a pretty good promo (if you knew what to play), at least for this market, but if you didn't hit a royal you weren't going to win much.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:

This is submitted as an FYI for everyone. I can attest to all facts except for the second-hand information below.

Yesterday, 12/30, I got to Greektown after work and saw the bartop meter at about $6500.

I played for half an hour. Suddenly the meter reset to $4000. Nobody won the jackpot, the meter reset on its own. People were checking around, but no machine was displaying a royal. Someone beefed to the bartender, who got on the phone, presumably to call slot personnel. I left the bar area, some people played on.

When I came back in an hour, I saw that all bartop screens were blue, displaying "OUT OF SERVICE" or whatever the message is. I left again to go play somewhere else.

When I came back in another hour, the games were back online, at $4013. I asked a bartender if the jackpot was hit or if the machines had simply been turned back on. He said that they were just turned back on. I then went home.

The only second-hand information here is from the bartender, who may or may not have known what he was talking about. I do not know how long the machines were up and running before I came back (the second time).

#7

<greeklandjohnny@...> wrote:

Did anyone else see this or have any information on this? I sent a note to the Greektown 'contact us' on their website but haven't heard back.

I just got back from Greektown...

I recognized a guy who I saw playing on 12/30 and asked him about the jackpot disappearing...he said they restored it to $6500 sometime the next day. So according to this player, it appears to have been returned to the $6500 level on 12/31.

It wouldn't have killed them (Greektown) to respond to your inquiry with this information if it is true.

#8

So, what would have happened if you hit the progressive and the meter said $4008 when it should really have said $6500?

Maybe Isle of Capri group will do a better job of running Greektown.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:

<greeklandjohnny@> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see this or have any information on this? I sent a note to the Greektown 'contact us' on their website but haven't heard back.
>

I just got back from Greektown...

I recognized a guy who I saw playing on 12/30 and asked him about the jackpot disappearing...he said they restored it to $6500 sometime the next day. So according to this player, it appears to have been returned to the $6500 level on 12/31.

It wouldn't have killed them (Greektown) to respond to your inquiry with this information if it is true.

#9

Just got back from an overnight at Greektown. Is it just me or are quads
relatively absent from machines these days. I played 12 hours yesterday and
probably got no more than 6 quads. I feel like the machines have been fixed
to make sure you don't get quads. Anyone else have thoughts on this???

mj

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From: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_Detr…@…com]
On Behalf Of johnnyzee48127
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:28 AM
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] Re: Greektown Bartops

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_Detroit%40yahoogroups.com> , "rrakay" <rrakay@...> wrote:

<greeklandjohnny@> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else see this or have any information on this? I sent a note

to the Greektown 'contact us' on their website but haven't heard back.

>

I just got back from Greektown...

I recognized a guy who I saw playing on 12/30 and asked him about the

jackpot disappearing...he said they restored it to $6500 sometime the next
day. So according to this player, it appears to have been returned to the
$6500 level on 12/31.

It wouldn't have killed them (Greektown) to respond to your inquiry with

this information if it is true.

So, what would have happened if you hit the progressive and the meter said
$4008 when it should really have said $6500?

Maybe Isle of Capri group will do a better job of running Greektown.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#10

12 hours of play at about 600 hph ( accounting for breaks, drinks, meals, etc). 7200 hands and 6 quads. Chances of that are about .14%, pretty slim.

What I have found in years and years of play is that unless you are very disciplined and keep very, very good records, the numbers that are reported aren't usually that accurate. It might have been 10 quads, it just felt like 6. You may have played for 12 hours but took 90 off for dinner and another 30 minutes for miscellaneous talking to friends, drinks, etc.

It also depends on what game you are playing.

So, if it was 10 quads in 6000 hands, that will happen about 6% of the time.

If you decide to play again, write down your starting points, ending points and number of quads and we can figure out if something is amiss.

We have a big group here. We should be able to put together some actual data to determine whether the machines are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

I posted a file showing my play for NSUD at Gtown and PE and MGM. This is actual play and actual records.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...> wrote:

Just got back from an overnight at Greektown. Is it just me or are quads
relatively absent from machines these days. I played 12 hours yesterday and
probably got no more than 6 quads. I feel like the machines have been fixed
to make sure you don't get quads. Anyone else have thoughts on this???

mj

#11

MJ,

   I seriously doubt that Greektown, or any casino, has gaffed the vp machines to screw people out of money. After all, all the vp machines in town, and across the river, are negative payback machines. The casinos know this, and know that they'll get their money, eventually.
   All the vp computer program chips are sealed and can't be changed without the State of Michigan watching them. Having said that, I have no doubts that if the casinos could get away with cheating us, even out of a few measly bucks...they would in a Bob Dancer heartbeat!
   Almost every time I play and lose, I get this angry, frustrated feeling that I'm being cheated somehow. It's just the way the human mind works.
   I played Deuces Wild at GT last week for seven hours straight and went through over 2,000 credits (quarters) and never did hit more than a couple of wild royals, let alone the quad deuces. If you are going to gamble, you have to just suck it up and accept that there are going to be those kinds of days. On the other hand, I've played for but one hour and walked out of a casino with over $8,000 playing dollars and quarters after hitting several royals and quads.
   I won't be playing as much as I used to because the comps just aren't there like they used to be. And without comps, you just can't beat, ley alone stay even, negative payback games.
   I've always had the feeling that the casinos were laughing at us anyway, and lately, I get the feeling that they are not only laughing and snickering, but consider us to be a bunch of compulsive, stupid, gambling, idiots who will keep playing at their places no matter how much they legally screw us with horrible paying machines and tiny comps. And the worst part is...they're probably right.

Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy

"If you ain't just a little scared when you enter a casino, you are either very rich, or you haven't studied the games enough."
--VP Pappy

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "johnnyzee48127" <greeklandjohnny@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@> wrote:
>
> Just got back from an overnight at Greektown. Is it just me or are quads
> relatively absent from machines these days. I played 12 hours yesterday and
> probably got no more than 6 quads. I feel like the machines have been fixed
> to make sure you don't get quads. Anyone else have thoughts on this???
>
> mj

12 hours of play at about 600 hph ( accounting for breaks, drinks, meals, etc). 7200 hands and 6 quads. Chances of that are about .14%, pretty slim.

What I have found in years and years of play is that unless you are very disciplined and keep very, very good records, the numbers that are reported aren't usually that accurate. It might have been 10 quads, it just felt like 6. You may have played for 12 hours but took 90 off for dinner and another 30 minutes for miscellaneous talking to friends, drinks, etc.

It also depends on what game you are playing.

So, if it was 10 quads in 6000 hands, that will happen about 6% of the time.

If you decide to play again, write down your starting points, ending points and number of quads and we can figure out if something is amiss.

We have a big group here. We should be able to put together some actual data to determine whether the machines are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

I posted a file showing my play for NSUD at Gtown and PE and MGM. This is actual play and actual records.

#12

Accurate record keeping is a must. I track all hands that occur with a frequency of less than 1 in 400 hands. I had a session last year at Horseshoe Southern Indiana on single line Super Aces where I played 5712 hands with only ONE quad of any kind (and it was a 5-K quad). Odds of that few quads are about 1 in 50,000. I've also had a session where I've had 2 Royals and a set of Aces in less than 500 hands and made more than $10K in less than an hour, so it comes close to approaching expectation when you track a large number of samples.

SB

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "johnnyzee48127" <greeklandjohnny@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@> wrote:
>
> Just got back from an overnight at Greektown. Is it just me or are quads
> relatively absent from machines these days. I played 12 hours yesterday and
> probably got no more than 6 quads. I feel like the machines have been fixed
> to make sure you don't get quads. Anyone else have thoughts on this???
>
> mj

12 hours of play at about 600 hph ( accounting for breaks, drinks, meals, etc). 7200 hands and 6 quads. Chances of that are about .14%, pretty slim.

What I have found in years and years of play is that unless you are very disciplined and keep very, very good records, the numbers that are reported aren't usually that accurate. It might have been 10 quads, it just felt like 6. You may have played for 12 hours but took 90 off for dinner and another 30 minutes for miscellaneous talking to friends, drinks, etc.

It also depends on what game you are playing.

So, if it was 10 quads in 6000 hands, that will happen about 6% of the time.

If you decide to play again, write down your starting points, ending points and number of quads and we can figure out if something is amiss.

We have a big group here. We should be able to put together some actual data to determine whether the machines are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

I posted a file showing my play for NSUD at Gtown and PE and MGM. This is actual play and actual records.

#13

Thanks to all that replied to me regarding my greektown sparse 12 hour play
a week ago. We are going to Vegas for a month and I will track quads and
hands played which I have never done before and see how it all adds up. I
appreciate all of everyone's advice, comments, experiences. I hope I come
back in one piece!!

mj

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From: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_Detr…@…com]
On Behalf Of spartanbuckeye21
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:55 AM
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] Detroit] Re: Greektown vp machines

Accurate record keeping is a must. I track all hands that occur with a
frequency of less than 1 in 400 hands. I had a session last year at
Horseshoe Southern Indiana on single line Super Aces where I played 5712
hands with only ONE quad of any kind (and it was a 5-K quad). Odds of that
few quads are about 1 in 50,000. I've also had a session where I've had 2
Royals and a set of Aces in less than 500 hands and made more than $10K in
less than an hour, so it comes close to approaching expectation when you
track a large number of samples.

SB

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_Detroit%40yahoogroups.com> , "johnnyzee48127"
<greeklandjohnny@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:vpFREE_Detroit%40yahoogroups.com> , "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@>
wrote:

>
> Just got back from an overnight at Greektown. Is it just me or are quads
> relatively absent from machines these days. I played 12 hours yesterday

and

> probably got no more than 6 quads. I feel like the machines have been

fixed

> to make sure you don't get quads. Anyone else have thoughts on this???
>
> mj

12 hours of play at about 600 hph ( accounting for breaks, drinks, meals,

etc). 7200 hands and 6 quads. Chances of that are about .14%, pretty slim.

What I have found in years and years of play is that unless you are very

disciplined and keep very, very good records, the numbers that are reported
aren't usually that accurate. It might have been 10 quads, it just felt like
6. You may have played for 12 hours but took 90 off for dinner and another
30 minutes for miscellaneous talking to friends, drinks, etc.

It also depends on what game you are playing.

So, if it was 10 quads in 6000 hands, that will happen about 6% of the

time.

If you decide to play again, write down your starting points, ending

points and number of quads and we can figure out if something is amiss.

We have a big group here. We should be able to put together some actual

data to determine whether the machines are doing what they are supposed to
be doing.

I posted a file showing my play for NSUD at Gtown and PE and MGM. This is

actual play and actual records.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#14

MJ,

Tracking play is a bit of work but is very instructive. I suggest figuring out what you want to track before you start. The more specific the better. The tendency is to add data points as you go and that tends to muddy the waters.

Depending on which casino you play at, the card reader information will help the process a little or a lot.

For example, at a casino where every point is $1 and the card reader displays your points as they accrue, one easy way to track quads is just record the point value when you hit the quad. That gives you the added benefit of showing where in the session you hit the quad.

Also, if you are interested in how many dealt trips you get or how many times a pair turns into quads, you can keep a separate record of that as well. It can be as detailed as you want to make it. I guarantee you will learn a lot from the exercise.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...> wrote:

Thanks to all that replied to me regarding my greektown sparse 12 hour play
a week ago. We are going to Vegas for a month and I will track quads and
hands played which I have never done before and see how it all adds up. I
appreciate all of everyone's advice, comments, experiences. I hope I come
back in one piece!!

#15

Hello,

Thanks for the info. I will be playing at MSS, Palms, Sams town for sure. I
thought I would keep how many quads per hour as a starter. I am not
proficient at any of this as I have never done it so any help would be of
benefit to me. Should I figure 700 hands per hour? I sometimes switch games
but mostly play DB, deuces, DDB and J/B...... Hardly any other games and I
try to only play on full pay machines. If I switch games does it mess up
what I am trying to track?

Like I said I am a newbie as far as keeping track of any of this.

Thanks,

mj

On Behalf Of johnnyzee48127

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From: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_Detr…@…com]
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:44 AM
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] was – Detroit] Re: Greektown vp machines , Now
tracking play

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_Detroit%40yahoogroups.com> , "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...>
wrote:

Thanks to all that replied to me regarding my greektown sparse 12 hour

play

a week ago. We are going to Vegas for a month and I will track quads and
hands played which I have never done before and see how it all adds up. I
appreciate all of everyone's advice, comments, experiences. I hope I come
back in one piece!!

MJ,

Tracking play is a bit of work but is very instructive. I suggest figuring
out what you want to track before you start. The more specific the better.
The tendency is to add data points as you go and that tends to muddy the
waters.

Depending on which casino you play at, the card reader information will help
the process a little or a lot.

For example, at a casino where every point is $1 and the card reader
displays your points as they accrue, one easy way to track quads is just
record the point value when you hit the quad. That gives you the added
benefit of showing where in the session you hit the quad.

Also, if you are interested in how many dealt trips you get or how many
times a pair turns into quads, you can keep a separate record of that as
well. It can be as detailed as you want to make it. I guarantee you will
learn a lot from the exercise.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#16

It's also wouldn't hurt to use a stopwatch feature and to carry a little notepad with you. If you tire of deuces and switch to another game, this will help you keep your records straight as far as time and results for both games.

As you begin to play more and more, and at a game you are well familiar with, your speed will be governed more by the machine than anything else. I try to play as fast as I can without screwing up. If you feel the game is going way too slow...you might not be hitting 700 hands per hour. Otherwise, you might very well be playing at or near that speed.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...> wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for the info. I will be playing at MSS, Palms, Sams town for sure. I
thought I would keep how many quads per hour as a starter. I am not
proficient at any of this as I have never done it so any help would be of
benefit to me. Should I figure 700 hands per hour? I sometimes switch games
but mostly play DB, deuces, DDB and J/B...... Hardly any other games and I
try to only play on full pay machines. If I switch games does it mess up
what I am trying to track?

#17

Quads per hour will be a little misleading since it is dependent on machine speed and other factors, like drink and bathroom breaks, talking to a friend, etc.

I'm pretty sure MSS is 1 to 1 for dollars to points. I would start playing and just write down the meter number when I hit a quad.

I would not bother with the deuces game at all for record keeping. Also, DDB, DB and JOB all have different quad cycles so it changes the results and won't be as exact. Also, depending on what you want to find out, the fact that JOB quads all pay the same might be a factor.

Send me what you want to find out and I'll create a template for you to use.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...> wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for the info. I will be playing at MSS, Palms, Sams town for sure. I
thought I would keep how many quads per hour as a starter. I am not
proficient at any of this as I have never done it so any help would be of
benefit to me. Should I figure 700 hands per hour? I sometimes switch games
but mostly play DB, deuces, DDB and J/B...... Hardly any other games and I
try to only play on full pay machines. If I switch games does it mess up
what I am trying to track?

Like I said I am a newbie as far as keeping track of any of this.

Thanks,

mj

#18

I would like to find out how often trips turn into quads, how many hands per
hour with how many quads, how often 4 to a Royal does not turn into a royal,
how often quads are gotten with drawing to only 1 or 2 vs trips,

Since I am going to be there for 32 days I am willing to keep track whereas
when it is a short trip I never want to bother. Also with that not so good
time in Greektown last week I think I need to track more.

About the meter.. which meter are we talking about? The one that tells you
at the beginning of the session 0 and then starts adding? Sorry to sound so
illiterate......

Thanks,

mj

On Behalf Of johnnyzee48127

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From: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE_Detr…@…com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:47 AM
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] was – Detroit] Re: Greektown vp machines , Now
tracking play

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_Detroit%40yahoogroups.com> , "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...>
wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for the info. I will be playing at MSS, Palms, Sams town for sure.

I

thought I would keep how many quads per hour as a starter. I am not
proficient at any of this as I have never done it so any help would be of
benefit to me. Should I figure 700 hands per hour? I sometimes switch

games

but mostly play DB, deuces, DDB and J/B...... Hardly any other games and I
try to only play on full pay machines. If I switch games does it mess up
what I am trying to track?

Like I said I am a newbie as far as keeping track of any of this.

Thanks,

mj

Quads per hour will be a little misleading since it is dependent on machine
speed and other factors, like drink and bathroom breaks, talking to a
friend, etc.

I'm pretty sure MSS is 1 to 1 for dollars to points. I would start playing
and just write down the meter number when I hit a quad.

I would not bother with the deuces game at all for record keeping. Also,
DDB, DB and JOB all have different quad cycles so it changes the results and
won't be as exact. Also, depending on what you want to find out, the fact
that JOB quads all pay the same might be a factor.

Send me what you want to find out and I'll create a template for you to use.

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#19

I would like to find out how often trips turn into quads

1 in 23.5 times

how many hands per hour with how many quads

not sure what this one means

how often 4 to a Royal does not turn into a royal

Lots. RF4 becomes a royal 1 in 47 times so 46 of 47 times you do not hit the royal

By the way, RF3 becomes a royal once is 1081 times.

RF2 becomes a royal a little over 1 in 16,000 times.

how often quads are gotten with drawing to only 1 or 2 vs trips,

A pair becomes quads 1 in 360 times. Single card becomes quads very infrequently. Not worth tracking.

Since I am going to be there for 32 days I am willing to keep track whereas
when it is a short trip I never want to bother. Also with that not so good
time in Greektown last week I think I need to track more.

As for the meter, I was referring to the meter on the slot club card reader. I think at Main street, it will register 1 point for each dollar played. So, when playing quarters, every 4 hands will earn you 5 points. If you hit your first quad when the meter shows 600 points , you have played 480 hands ( 600 points = $600 played. At $1.25 per hand, $600/$1.25 = 480 hands.

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--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com, "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...> wrote:

#20

Thanks for all your help. mj

On Behalf Of johnnyzee48127

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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:46 PM
To: vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Detroit] was – Detroit] Re: Greektown vp machines , Now
tracking play

--- In vpFREE_Detroit@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vpFREE_Detroit%40yahoogroups.com> , "MJ McCarty" <mjfish2006@...>
wrote:

I would like to find out how often trips turn into quads

1 in 23.5 times

how many hands per hour with how many quads

not sure what this one means

how often 4 to a Royal does not turn into a royal

Lots. RF4 becomes a royal 1 in 47 times so 46 of 47 times you do not hit the
royal

By the way, RF3 becomes a royal once is 1081 times.

RF2 becomes a royal a little over 1 in 16,000 times.

how often quads are gotten with drawing to only 1 or 2 vs trips,

A pair becomes quads 1 in 360 times. Single card becomes quads very
infrequently. Not worth tracking.

Since I am going to be there for 32 days I am willing to keep track

whereas

when it is a short trip I never want to bother. Also with that not so good
time in Greektown last week I think I need to track more.

As for the meter, I was referring to the meter on the slot club card reader.
I think at Main street, it will register 1 point for each dollar played. So,
when playing quarters, every 4 hands will earn you 5 points. If you hit your
first quad when the meter shows 600 points , you have played 480 hands ( 600
points = $600 played. At $1.25 per hand, $600/$1.25 = 480 hands.

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