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Good Machines at Downtown Grand??

#1

I thought I had read that these good games had already been downgraded. True or false???

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Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:56 PM PDT

Their website now states that “Video Poker Machines do not earn points.” Previously video poker earned .2% with $2 coin-in = 1 point and 250 points = $1 free play.

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“Since this has already been outed publicly elsewhere, it might as well be added to vpfree2. Downtown Grand has improved many paytables. Saw 25c, 50c, $1 and $2 FPDW, 10/6 DDB and 10/7 DB in 1 play and 3/5 play.”

Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:53 PM PDT

New: 25¢, 50¢, $1, $2 : 100.76% DW, 100.17% DB, 100.07% DDB several banks (some are multiline)

Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:50 PM PDT

New: 25¢ Prog : 100.07% DDB at Furnace Bar (4-way prog.)

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#2

New card program and ZERO points for VP! Messaged our host about it and of course NO response!

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Subject: [vpFREE] Good Machines at Downtown Grand??

I thought I had read that these good games had already been downgraded. True or false???

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  • Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: Casino Updated
  • Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added
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    Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:56 PM PDT

Their website now states that “Video Poker Machines do not earn points.” Previously video poker earned .2% with $2 coin-in = 1 point and 250 points = $1 free play.

Downtown Grand Casino: Casino Updated

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:55 PM PDT

Player’s Club Update

Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:54 PM PDT

“Since this has already been outed publicly elsewhere, it might as well be added to vpfree2. Downtown Grand has improved many paytables. Saw 25c, 50c, $1 and $2 FPDW, 10/6 DDB and 10/7 DB in 1 play and 3/5 play.”

Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:53 PM PDT

New: 25¢, 50¢, $1, $2 : 100.76% DW, 100.17% DB, 100.07% DDB several banks (some are multiline)

Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:50 PM PDT

New: 25¢ Prog : 100.07% DDB at Furnace Bar (4-way prog.)

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#3

I got all my info 2nd hand. My understanding was the good
pay table games arrived a week ago, but then just yesterday (7/18) points could
no longer be earned at VP. I also heard that soon after the games arrived,
professional teams swooped on the FPDW taking most or all the machines. Then
they disbursed recently, I can’t imagine it was the loss of 0.2% cashback or DTG
comps that would have drove them away…

I thought I had read that these good games had already been downgraded. True or false???

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  • Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: Casino Updated
  • Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added
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    Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:56 PM PDT

Their website now states that “Video Poker Machines do not earn points.” Previously video poker earned .2% with $2 coin-in = 1 point and 250 points = $1 free play. alt

Downtown Grand Casino: Casino Updated

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:55 PM PDT

Player’s Club Update alt

Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:54 PM PDT

“Since this has already been outed publicly elsewhere, it might as well be added to vpfree2. Downtown Grand has improved many paytables. Saw 25c, 50c, $1 and $2 FPDW, 10/6 DDB and 10/7 DB in 1 play and 3/5 play.” alt

Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:53 PM PDT

New: 25¢, 50¢, $1, $2 : 100.76% DW, 100.17% DB, 100.07% DDB several banks (some are multiline) alt

Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:50 PM PDT

New: 25¢ Prog : 100.07% DDB at Furnace Bar (4-way prog.) alt

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#4

I got on their site! No points for VP!!!

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Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 5:41:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Good Machines at Downtown Grand??

I got all my info 2nd hand. My understanding was the good pay table games arrived a week ago, but then just yesterday (7/18) points could no longer be earned at VP. I also heard that soon after the games arrived, professional
teams swooped on the FPDW taking most or all the machines. Then they disbursed recently, I can’t imagine it was the loss of 0.2% cashback or DTG comps that would have drove them away…

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I thought I had read that these good games had already been downgraded. True or false???

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  • Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: Casino Updated
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  • Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added
    Downtown
    Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:56 PM PDT

Their website now states that “Video Poker Machines do not earn points.” Previously video poker earned .2% with $2 coin-in = 1 point and 250 points = $1 free play.
alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: Casino Updated

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:55 PM PDT

Player’s Club Update alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:54 PM PDT

“Since this has already been outed publicly elsewhere, it might as well be added to vpfree2. Downtown Grand has improved many paytables. Saw 25c, 50c, $1 and $2 FPDW, 10/6 DDB and 10/7 DB in 1 play and 3/5 play.”
alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:53 PM PDT

New: 25¢, 50¢, $1, $2 : 100.76% DW, 100.17% DB, 100.07% DDB several banks (some are multiline)
alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:50 PM PDT

New: 25¢ Prog : 100.07% DDB at Furnace Bar (4-way prog.) alt

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#5

In May, they still had 2 FP Jack’s and more FP Bonus

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I got on their site! No points for VP!!!

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I got all my info 2nd hand. My understanding was the good pay table games arrived a week ago, but then just yesterday (7/18) points could no longer be earned at VP. I also heard that soon after the games arrived, professional
teams swooped on the FPDW taking most or all the machines. Then they disbursed recently, I can’t imagine it was the loss of 0.2% cashback or DTG comps that would have drove them away…

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I thought I had read that these good games had already been downgraded. True or false???

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  • Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: Casino Updated
  • Downtown Grand Casino: Comment Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added
  • Downtown Grand Casino: VP Added
    Downtown
    Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:56 PM PDT

Their website now states that “Video Poker Machines do not earn points.” Previously video poker earned .2% with $2 coin-in = 1 point and 250 points = $1 free play.
alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: Casino Updated

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:55 PM PDT

Player’s Club Update alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: Comment Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:54 PM PDT

“Since this has already been outed publicly elsewhere, it might as well be added to vpfree2. Downtown Grand has improved many paytables. Saw 25c, 50c, $1 and $2 FPDW, 10/6 DDB and 10/7 DB in 1 play and 3/5 play.”
alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:53 PM PDT

New: 25¢, 50¢, $1, $2 : 100.76% DW, 100.17% DB, 100.07% DDB several banks (some are multiline)
alt

Downtown
Grand Casino: VP Added

Posted: 18 Jul 2019 03:50 PM PDT

New: 25¢ Prog : 100.07% DDB at Furnace Bar (4-way prog.) alt

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#6

Not a huge surprise. lol

—In vpF…@…com, <jfo33@…> wrote :

I also heard that soon after the games arrived,
professional teams swooped on the FPDW taking most or all the machines.

#7

There were too many machines for all to be taken by anyone. Every single machine in casino had 25c-$2 FPDW so it is impossible and an exaggeration to even suggest that every machine was taken. Not even 30% full at any one time.

#8

Most people, even FPDW players, at ten bucks a spin single line will lose a grand or 2 and walk away cursing advantage play.

Saw it happen too many times at the Frontier at the dollar FPDW, which were usually empty.

#9

Almost correct…some bar machines did not have FPDW at all.

As of Friday a lot of machines no longer have $2

luckylucyano9@…> wrote :

There were too many machines for all to be taken by anyone. Every single machine in casino had 25c-$2 FPDW so it is impossible and an exaggeration to even suggest that every machine was taken. Not even 30% full at any one time.

#10

The chance of finding yourself $2000 behind at some point when playing $1 FPDW is 77%. It might take a while, though–the chance of being $2000 behind in the first 20 hours is “only” 26%.

If you play $2 five-play FPDW, the chance of being $10,000 in the hole at some point is 64%. Even with a $50K bankroll, you’d still have more than a 10% chance of going broke.

–Dunbar

—In vpF…@…com, <melbedewy1226@…> wrote :

Most people, even FPDW players, at ten bucks a spin single line will lose a grand or 2 and walk away cursing advantage play.

Saw it happen too many times at the Frontier at the dollar FPDW, which were usually empty.

#11

When I started playing a lot of VP 25+ years ago it was mostly single line $ FPDW. The local VP pros at that time said you needed a 40K bankroll for that. I’m pretty sure this was just a guess based on experience rather than mathematics. Not a bad guesstimate, it seems.

My wife and I played about 22K hands of single line FPDW without any quad 2’s but 2 RF’s for a net win of 500 bets. Can you say “roller coaster”?

G’luck all,

Gamb00ler

dunbar wrote :

The chance of finding yourself $2000 behind at some point when playing $1 FPDW is 77%. It might take a while, though–the chance of being $2000 behind in the first 20 hours is “only” 26%.

If you play $2 five-play FPDW, the chance of being $10,000 in the hole at some point is 64%. Even with a $50K bankroll, you’d still have more than a 10% chance of going broke.

–Dunbar

#12

“When I started playing a lot of VP 25+ years ago it was mostly single line $ FPDW. The local VP pros at that time said you needed a 40K bankroll for that.”

That’s a surprisingly good conservative estimate of bankroll requirement, considering it was 25 years ago. The mathematical solution wasn’t published until about 5 years later.

If you play perfectly, a $40K bankroll will allow you to play $1 single-line FPDW forever with just a 0.54% chance of going broke. If you are human, and say make errors costing you about 0.1% of your bets, then the chance of going broke on a $40K bankroll rises to 1.1%. For comparison, someone attempting that with a $25K bankroll (and making errors costing 1.1% of his/her bets) would have a risk of ruin of 6.1%.

–Dunbar

—In vpF…@…com, <gamb00ler@…> wrote :

When I started playing a lot of VP 25+ years ago it was mostly single line $ FPDW. The local VP pros at that time said you needed a 40K bankroll for that. I’m pretty sure this was just a guess based on experience rather than mathematics. Not a bad guesstimate, it seems.

My wife and I played about 22K hands of single line FPDW without any quad 2’s but 2 RF’s for a net win of 500 bets. Can you say “roller coaster”?

G’luck all,

Gamb00ler

dunbar wrote :

The chance of finding yourself $2000 behind at some point when playing $1 FPDW is 77%. It might take a while, though–the chance of being $2000 behind in the first 20 hours is “only” 26%.

If you play $2 five-play FPDW, the chance of being $10,000 in the hole at some point is 64%. Even with a $50K bankroll, you’d still have more than a 10% chance of going broke.

–Dunbar

#13

Picture is a little rosier w/ a 0.25% cb add that I suspect was applicable back then …

—In vpF…@…com, <h_dunbar@…> wrote :

“When I started playing a lot of VP 25+ years ago it was mostly single line $ FPDW. The local VP pros at that time said you needed a 40K bankroll for that.”

That’s a surprisingly good conservative estimate of bankroll requirement, considering it was 25 years ago. The mathematical solution wasn’t published until about 5 years later.

If you play perfectly, a $40K bankroll will allow you to play $1 single-line FPDW forever with just a 0.54% chance of going broke. If you are human, and say make errors costing you about 0.1% of your bets, then the chance of going broke on a $40K bankroll rises to 1.1%. For comparison, someone attempting that with a $25K bankroll (and making errors costing 1.1% of his/her bets) would have a risk of ruin of 6.1%.

–Dunbar

—In vpF…@…com, <gamb00ler@…> wrote :

When I started playing a lot of VP 25+ years ago it was mostly single line $ FPDW. The local VP pros at that time said you needed a 40K bankroll for that. I’m pretty sure this was just a guess based on experience rather than mathematics. Not a bad guesstimate, it seems.

My wife and I played about 22K hands of single line FPDW without any quad 2’s but 2 RF’s for a net win of 500 bets. Can you say “roller coaster”?

G’luck all,

Gamb00ler

#14

I have been playing at the Downtown Grand every day since Tuesday. There was never a problem getting on any single line FPDW-plenty of machines available. The two multiline machines were always tied up. The $2 denom started to be removed early Saturday morning and were all gone by 8 AM Saturday. The $1 was still easily available all day Saturday.

#15

True enough, Harry. With 0.25% cb, a $25,000 bankroll would only crash 1.9% of the time, vs 6.1% without the cashback. (I’m still assuming a 0.1% error cost.)

–Dunbar

—In vpF…@…com, <harry.porter@…> wrote :

Picture is a little rosier w/ a 0.25% cb add that I suspect was applicable back then …

—In vpF…@…com, <h_dunbar@…> wrote :

“When I started playing a lot of VP 25+ years ago it was mostly single line $ FPDW. The local VP pros at that time said you needed a 40K bankroll for that.”

That’s a surprisingly good conservative estimate of bankroll requirement, considering it was 25 years ago. The mathematical solution wasn’t published until about 5 years later.

If you play perfectly, a $40K bankroll will allow you to play $1 single-line FPDW forever with just a 0.54% chance of going broke. If you are human, and say make errors costing you about 0.1% of your bets, then the chance of going broke on a $40K bankroll rises to 1.1%. For comparison, someone attempting that with a $25K bankroll (and making errors costing 1.1% of his/her bets) would have a risk of ruin of 6.1%.

–Dunbar

—In vpF…@…com, <gamb00ler@…> wrote :

When I started playing a lot of VP 25+ years ago it was mostly single line $ FPDW. The local VP pros at that time said you needed a 40K bankroll for that. I’m pretty sure this was just a guess based on experience rather than mathematics. Not a bad guesstimate, it seems.

My wife and I played about 22K hands of single line FPDW without any quad 2’s but 2 RF’s for a net win of 500 bets. Can you say “roller coaster”?

G’luck all,

Gamb00ler